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Dolphins receive worst draft grade on NFL.com

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 13Machine8385, May 9, 2014.

  1. 13Machine8385

    13Machine8385 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not a great start for us. Say what you want but we didn't get #19 value..

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000348409/article/2014-nfl-draft-firstround-quicksnap-grades
     
  2. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    On the bright side, we're #1 at something?
     
  4. dullfandan

    dullfandan Active Member

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    Yea cuz they know everything... I scratched my head at the pick but i have faith we.did our homework on him and fell in love so maybe it was à Greatpick for us not NFL.com
     
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  5. Jagfish

    Jagfish Season Ticket Holder

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    Meh, we needed a RT and we got, by all reports, a pretty good one. I'm OK with the pick. I was hoping for that trade down for more picks. If he starts for 7-10 years nobody will care.
     
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  6. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Last year we gave up a #2 to move up from 12 to 3. The Bills gave up a #1 and a #4 to move from 9 to 4. So there's that.

    But I have to agree. We coulda/shoulda moved down and still gotten James. Had multiple opportunities.
     
  7. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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  8. Marino1384

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    Reason we didnt move down is because cincy was rumoured to of really liked james
     
  9. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There's not a lot of things in this process that are less useful than draft grades.
     
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  10. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

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  11. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member


    With who?? I don't see that. NO didn't need to deal with us ??
     
  12. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Remember when the Seahawks got an F for Irvin?
     
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  13. 13Machine8385

    13Machine8385 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It his is the same thinking we have had for a long time and we have been stuck in mediocrity for years. If we were a playoff team I could try and look at the bright side like so many of you obviously are. This pick keeps us right where we are. You need to have some stones to run a solid draft. Was hoping we had some now.
     
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  14. SICK

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  15. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    If the teams need is OT and they get the best available Tackle without costing more picks how is it such a bad pick? Skip the OL again and we are *****ing all year and go 8-8 again because everyone see's the weakness but the front office. I don't understand why it always has to be a fail fail.
     
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  16. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can only image what the pundits would be saying if we traded back and James got taken before our pick.
     
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  17. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    the same thing they're saying about Philly
     
  18. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Also NFL.com didn't give that grade. By that picture it's some 19 year old intern writing for college football.
     
  19. Grimes dogs

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    . The pick doesn't really matter we are still a 8-8 team regardless. 2 years from now everyone will be saying we screwed up and took James when we could have had Johnny Football
     
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  20. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    That pick would deserve the lowest grade possible.
     
  21. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    There were some people here joking that if we took a player deemed a risk or a reach we'd be condemned for it but if the Pats took a similar player they'd be praised.

    I guess it wasn't a joke after all.
     
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  22. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    They said the same thing when Dallas took some unkown center from Wisconsin. All he did was start every game and help solidify their offensive line. The 'experts' looked stupid then...they will end up looking stupid once again when James starts every game and helps solidify our line.
     
  23. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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  24. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Wonder how James compares to Bulaga?
     
  25. ASOT

    ASOT New Member

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    Seems like Hickey wanted too much in return
     
  26. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I doubt most Dolphin fans can say the same.
     
  27. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    exactly. why would NO trade with us when they can trade with the team that picks after us and still get their man?
     
  28. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Because someone could have traded with us for their target.

    Just sayin'
     
  29. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I love how everyone assumes we could have just moved down as though it doesn't require a trade.....sometimes the trade isn't there. You can't always move down. You don't move down for whatever ****ty pick someone is willing to give up, you have to get value and establish that the pick is worth something. A trade down is not always an option. People hand wringing and slamming their fists on the table don't know anything about what trades were discussed or if it was even a possibility.
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Same as with Pugh by the Giants last year and Howie's kid by the Bears. All Kyle Long did was earn a trip to the Pro Bowl. I said at the time, I loved the Travis Frederick pick when one of the draft gurus was laughing at Jerbo for reaching. The words "reach" and "value" are so overused when it comes to the draft. It is all about getting good players who can step in, fill holes, and contribute.
     
  31. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    It' not really an assumption as Hickey admitted that he was in talks to trade down after a couple of teams called and made offers.
     
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  32. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Because the guy was a 2nd or 3rd rounder. We picked him in the 1rst. Dumb. Could have and should have taken Johnny football. We could have traded him later, even. You take the best value.

    [video=youtube;fjJy69eVHfE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjJy69eVHfE[/video]
     
  33. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    if its a player that should have gone lower like the analysts liked, they call it the Bill Belichick value pick
     
  34. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    yeah thats a value pick right there...
     
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  35. Fineas

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    We know we could have moved down. Hickey said we had offers. NO moved up to 20. If they were willing to make that trade to move up to 20, they surely would have been willing to pay the same compensation to move up to 19. And no, you don't have to "get value and establish that the pick is worth something." You do what's best for the team. It is extremely likely that James would have been there at 26. If you can get the same player at 26 plus an extra pick (even a 6th or 7th), you should do that. I don't believe that the team's grade on James was so much higher than on Bitonio, Moses or Kouandjio to have warranted panic that our guy might not be there at 26. As it is, we know we could have gotten a 3rd because that's what NO gave up to move to 20 and that's what Cleveland paid to move to 22. Again, if they were willing to give up a third to move to 22 or 20, they certainly would have done it to move to 19 and eliminate any concern about the teams between 19 and 22.
     
  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I believe by the mere fact that Hickey turned down trade offers to stay put and take James indicates he did not have him rated equal to Moses, Kouandjio, Bitonio, etc and felt the compensation gained in a trade down was not sufficient to risk losing out on James. The fact that no other team from 20 to 27 took an OL means little or nothing. Teams like Cincy and KC may have also felt the same about James being a 1st rounder but not those other guys. Carolina needs OL help. Had Hickey traded down to 27, perhaps Carolina would have leapfrogged them.
     
  37. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    so we draft that Johnny football fella... and then 3 years from now when he hasn't played a down, we flip him for a 4th round pick to the Cowboys... that's what I'm talking about right there... :shifty:
     
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  38. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Its an assumption that there were offers worth taking. You don't trade down for just any offer you can get.
     
  39. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    heck no other team in the first round drafted an offensive lineman period after we did. Two ways to look at that, i prefer the glass half full approach. I prefer to think we took James, the last lineman graded in the first round. Although some will look at it and say, no other team would have taken James because they didn't reach for another lineman after him. That argument lacks something though IMO.
     
  40. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You are assuming a lot of things. You really think Hickey got a great offer and turned it down? Would it have been worth moving down for say a 4th or 5th round pick? We don't know what the offers were, assuming that we got great offers and turned them down is ridiculous. If you establish yourself as a sucker in your first draft its over for you as a GM.
     

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