Dolphins draft Juwan James...looks like Hickey is just like Ireland, a need drafter

It was a good pick, very few people here are actually upset for the actual pick. What sours the whole thing is the fact they got such poor value for it. At this point, looking at all the evidence, it is far more likely than not that the Dolphins left a high pick on the table.
It is a good pick, it's just soured by poor resource management.

 

Really?? Tell me who ??

 

Why would NO have needed to deal with us ??

 

Who what? Who would have traded with the Dolphins? Both NO and Cleveland traded up within 3 picks after the Dolphins. There's also the fact Hickey himself said they had calls for trades but decided to stay.

 

Exactly! And now everybody "defending" the pick is lashing out against those who feel this way as knee-jerk complainers. This cycle is nuts.

 

If you are someone that believes in Tannehill, and thinks a "franchise QB" is the key to winning, then this was the right pick. We absolutely needed to get a Day 1 starter at Tackle. To me, he was the last definite first year starter (not to say others will not surprise). Before the draft, 95% of the board said that moving up for an OT would be a waste of resources. Do you really take a chance on missing out on James?

I understand that everyone wanted an extra pick in the 3rd, but do we know that was the offer made by the Eagles? The Saints gave up a 3rd, but it is my guess that they never imagined the Dolphins would be taking Cooks there, maybe they offered 27 and a 4th? Who is to say some needy team wouldn't have jumped ahead to 26 to take the last 1st round OT, knowing Miami had to go that way? Just because no other tackles were taken in the round, doesn't 100% guarantee that no other teams coveted James. I too wanted an extra 3rd, but with the extreme risk involved, maybe it wouldn't be worth it.

 

Well, we shall see if any among Moses, Kouandjio, Bitonio and Mewhort are still available at 50.

 

Value? If this kid starts 1 game he will be a better value than all of last years picks.

 

Yep, full of Ireland's boys......

 

What if he plays very poorly and last years picks play well this year?

 

a new owner

 

Basically their thought process (if you can call that) is like this:

-> See which player we picked.
-> Do a quick search of players at the same position.
-> Proceed to ***** and moan about how they are better than the one we just drafted.

That's why this is the official way to handle them:

 

Posted this on the draft thread...

Adam Beasly on 790 the ticket just now said that Dolphins had 13 players on their board for pick 19 and James was one of them. He also said that the Dolphins had strong indication that Carolina was going to jump ahead of them and draft James if they traded back from 19, and they felt they were not getting enough compensation to worth the risk.

Say what you will, but it is clear that the Phins rated this guy very highly, for better or worse, and they did not get cute with a player they thought was worth the 19th pick.

 

He's a wall. Haven't seen blocking like that since early Long.

 

is he the dude in the backfield?

 

In combination with a new OC and new OL coach, James was a more than competent pick. He will also be conditioned by going against arguably the best DE in the league when summer practices roll around.

 

Sources for other teams decrying another team's pick? Say it ain't so.

 

and his "breathers" will be OV and DJ.

 

Well..now we will hear from all those crying we shoulf have traddedddd backkkkkk...that no way would Carolina have jumped us...its all liessss

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Lol..yeh..when you watch that clip CK showed...only mega reach I see is the DE mega reaching and coming up empty when trying to get at the QB. How a guy who was the 3rd rated tackle in the SEC gets a 3rd round grade.

Also..."all told 5 teams told us they didnt have James as a 1st round grade."...there is how many teams in the league...can someone please tell.me how 5 ...equalls...VAST AGREEMENT?

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Well..think we can put that argument to ni ni sleepy time.

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There no real way to know if Carolina would have taken him or not. But to me, it is almost irrelevant. There were at least 2 guys with basically the same physical attributes and similar or better grades from most sources (Kouandjio and Moses) who also would have been fine at that pick if Carolina did take James. There is nothing truly unique or special about James. Pick up the extra 3rd round pick and roll the dice on that pretty non-risky proposition. Needless to say, having that extra 3rd would give us a lot of extra flexibility going into tonight. According to the draft value chart, the 82nd pick would be enough to move up from 50 to 33 if there is someone we really want there. Or we could have packaged our third and that new 3rd to move up to the mid-2nd. Etc.

 

Well..Hes a wall at RT. And all that still assumes we had a trade partner willing to do that..which as of yet not ONE person...has any ioda of evidence that even existed. None. And...Im sure James agent had communication with which teams were lookin at taking him where.

The reason I am seeing him getting lower grades by some teams..is that he always played RT. Never played LT. And LTs are valued higher. Nothing to do with ability. And guess what..we needed a RT.

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Dolphins draft Juwan James...looks like Hickey is just like Ireland, a need d...

Ok. We may have left a pick on the table and we reached for a player who didn't get a number one grade from the pundits. Wah wah. The sky is falling. Never mind that we had a bigger need at right tackle than we've had at any position since we drafted Tannehill, and that we can't tell whether Tannehill is our guy until that need is filled and the OL is fixed.

Instead of doing something cute and counterintuitive like taking Ted Ginn and his freaking family or Johnny freaking Football, we did something that made sense, although the best four guys were gone and we had to SETTLE for the best remaining tackle at the second level, just like we SETTLED for Hickey when no one else wanted to be our GM.

That was the best we could do. Hiring Hickey made sense. Drafting the best remaining pure right tackle when we had a perennial hospital patient penciled in as the starter made sense. Someone who started 49 games at the SEC level. Someone durable and workmanlike. An in shape Vernon Carey or better. Are we going to sit around and whine and cry about it, or do the best we can to win? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 

lol

 

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I personally had a late first/early second round grade on him, but I also had him ahead of Z. Martin.

 

i agree, it looks like everytime he gets a hand on the defender, the momentum is stopped right away

 

I think people complain about drafting based on need (and yes, it was a desperate need) because its what Miami always does...and has nothing to show for it. And some argue he would've still been there for us in the 2nd round possibly. Or Miami could've traded up in the 2nd, or traded back to later in the first with the Saints. So even though it fills a big need I understand why some fans don't like the pick in the context.

If the Packers followed our blueprint they would not have drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005 with Brett Favre still on the roster for another couple years. But it worked out and they went on to win the Super Bowl after Rodgers eventually took over and nobody cares about or remembers what other needs they had in 2005.

I'm fine with it, but for the next few rounds I would like to see them take whoever the best player available is now that they've added a piece to the O-Line.

 

Here's another guy we passed on foolishly.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ordon-facing-suspension-after-marijuana-test/

 

But, they did need Aaron Rodgers. They needed a QB for the future since Brett Favre was 35 going on 36 at the time of Rodger's drafting

 

I can't imagine James playing poorly using last year as the base line.

 

Yep...just like moving up and taking Jordan at #3 last year filled a glaring need...

Go play in traffic...

 

Patriot fans are mad as **** right now... 1 game away from the superbowl in back to back years and they're drafting QB's. And we're still debating taking a very solid T when Tannehill was murked throughout the season.

 

Just watched James Finsiders interview and his press conference. Class act, handled questions about last years O line issue well. Saying all the right things. Although I'm reluctant to say it at least 4 years of college and last 2 of HS w/ no games missed from injury.

 

Ja'Wuan's intro press conference. I like the kid.

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