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Grade the 2014 Dolphins draft

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, May 10, 2014.

Draft Grade?

  1. A

    6.2%
  2. A-

    5.3%
  3. B

    42.5%
  4. B-

    16.8%
  5. C

    16.8%
  6. C-

    5.3%
  7. D

    5.3%
  8. D-

    1.8%
  1. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    You obviously value Egnew way too high.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I watched them play. I saw their skill sets. Lynch is pretty much a new version of Sims.

    Edit:

    Gator Hoskins TE/FB Marshall can push Egnew
     
  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I give it a borderline C+/B-. Would've given it a B-/B if Hickey pulled the string on the trade back.

    I would've gone:
    1. Brandin Cooks
    2. JaWuan James (if we're gonna use a 1st on him this year, why not use next year's 1st to get him in the 2nd round?)
    2. Troy Niklas, TE
    3. Phillip Gaines, CB
    4. Dakota Dozier, G
    5. Caraun Reid, DT
    6. Lache Seastrunk, RB [short trade up when he's within reach]



     
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  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    With the free agent pick ups, both wide receivers have more speed than the ones that were drafted?

    How does this not feel like a Bill Parcells/Jeff Ireland Draft?
     
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  5. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I actually like Lynch more than Sims. Watched so many Bulldog games and he's tough as hell. Hope he gains more strength for blocking though, but he was underused in the seam, Murray had many opportunities to connect with him and passed too often.

    I remember saying after watching Georgia play against Nebraska that I hope we get Lynch in the 5th-6th round.

    Still not the kind of tight end I would want though opposite of Clay though but hope we address it next year with a first day pick.
     
  6. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    B- for now though you really have to wait 2 years to get an idea. Every other Dolphins draft since 1999 has to be a C+ or lower, so I'm hoping a B sticks...

    I like Arthur Lynch and would like to thank Hickey for signing a player so easy on the eyes. I know most of you are straight though, so I'll present you with this:

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    Really though, I know he might not be all that different from Sims, but competition isn't a bad idea. We need another TE, and he might be a better blocker than Sims. Sims actually looked bad blocking last season, so I think its a good pick even though we probably should've drafted one earlier. You need a great TE in the league. Hopefully Clay can maybe become a #1 and Lynch can become a solid #2. He probably won't light up the stat sheet, but maybe become a red zone target we need? Still think they should try and give Keller another 1 year deal. It sucked what happened to him last season.
     
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  7. ElNino

    ElNino Well-Known Member

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    I thought it was solid. As for the first pick, i not concerned about the reach aspect. We are an 8-8 team with a gaping whole at RT and we filled it for opening day presumably. Seems like good logic to me. Draft "value" is overrated anyway, considering how much of a crap shoot the process seems to be. So hickey should have traded back for a 6th round pick who to 75% will never see the field and risk losing the guy you want so forumites and mel kiper approve?
     
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  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I do agree that draft value is subjective, however I disagree that it is overrated. Ron Wolff even said in an interview that everytime he drafted for a position and not for draft value, he generally made a mistake.

    However it is a reach to people because they do not have any real team information. Miami obviously had a 1st round grade, and we do not know if other teams did as well. For all we know the rumors are true and the Cardinals were going to draft him at 20.
     
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  9. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Gave it a B. Not the most exciting draft ever but we got players that I really think will help us this year and be around for years. Maybe not a single homerun but a lot of singles and doubles and you need those kind of guys to win. We needed to get talent on the oline and we did that. I think our 1st round pick would have been better if the draft had fallen a different way (Shazier or CJ) but we got what we needed, 2 guys that can start or at least provide solid depth on the line. That alone makes us a better team. If some of the other guys can contribute this year then the draft is very nice.
     
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  10. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Meh, not by much.
     
  11. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Samsies.

    If you were to look at all my favorites athletes throughout my life, they all have one thing in common: Heart.

    Guys who may not be the biggest or the fastest but have something you can't measure. Guys who get it done not just with talent, but with pure toughness, heart and passion. Landry fits the bill perfectly.
     
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  12. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Seems like B to C range is the consensus. If this GM stuck around a few years, and this stayed consistent, the roster would eventually be a B to C level roster and performance by the team.

    I figure in terms of wins, it look like this:
    A+ 15-16 wins
    A 14 wins
    A- 12-13 wins
    B+ 11 wins
    B 10 wins
    B - 9 wins
    C+ 8 wins
    C 7 wins

    C- 6 wins
    D+ 5 wins
    D 4 wins
    D- 3 wins
    F 0-2 wins

    These sorts of drafts build a 7 to 10 win team.

    The determinant in how many wins you get in that range then becomes how good the coaching is. A great coach gets you 10 wins, a good coach 9, an okay coach 8 and a below average coach 7.

    I think with Philbin we are probably looking at the 8 to 9 win range.

    So, yeah, this is all total hypothetical bull, but if we honestly feel (as a fanbase) that the drafting level of this GM is around a B to C then expect 8 or 9 wins a year every year unless Philbin surprises us with incredible coaching.

    I hold out hope that Tannehill somehow takes a leap in development that trumps all of this and carries us to being a playoff level team.
     
  13. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    I'm confused. We took James and most people seem happy about this but annoyed at where we took him. Yet there is no guarantees he'd still be there later. Is it better to have a better ol and worse wr, or a worse ol and better wr? I'd grade it a b. Youtube makes all the players look great. Plus you can add last years draft class to this one as they all barely played. Also 50% will be gone in three years statistically speaking so whatever. Every team is the same.
     
  14. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    i don't get the logic behind this...lol
     
  15. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Our offense is still lacking size. The TE we took isn't good enough to make much of an impact in the passing game, and there were a handful of talented big receivers in this class, to walk away with none is disappointing. And I'm actually shocked we didn't take a RB.
     
  16. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    we have to hope hickey finds another gem in the UDFA pool at the RB position, damian williams from Oklahoma was signed, i don't know much about him, good measurables but i'm not that impressed with his footage thats out there, storm johnson would have been nice, but overall the biggest issue imo is fixed, the oline
     
  17. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    To me, the second round pick shows how pass heavy the team is planning to be. Carlos Hyde was sitting there to be had at 50, potentially as a longer term option at RB after 2014 while a heavy contributor this season, and the team moves out to take Landry, who will probably not move into a starter role in the near future, and may only act as a #4 option this year.
     
  18. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    Would you grade an Apple Pie before its ingredients are even put together and cooked? No .... lets at least see who makes it to the starting gate.
     
  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    WADR, I've never seen a better example of someone literally inventing parameters out of thin air, then constructing a hypothetical around those imaginary parameters meant to predict events that haven't happened yet. Then when the fabricated results, from the fabricated future are applied to the fabricated parameters they are then used to hold the team responsible for these fabricated issues.
     
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  20. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    My grade is ...

    I'm just pretty ticked at the Steelers for picking Shazier.
     
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  21. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    All that gibberish you wrote was efficiently communicated by the poster with a use of a simple sentence



     
  22. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    We may not have viewed Hyde as a long term starter though (or perhaps not even very good in general). So it may not be a reflection of how much we plan to pass the ball, just that he wasn't clearly our top player or playmaker.
     
  23. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think our RB stable is pretty nice after getting Moreno but really we are an injury to him away from being where we were last year. I do think that RB was a need, maybe we think we can get a UDFA or someone that is cut down the line, Im not sure, I thought RB was a pretty big need for us too.
     
  24. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Daniel Thomas probably stays another year. I bet some of you are SO happy.
     
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  25. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    Lets hope Philbin and the coaching staff can actually develop some of these guys.
     
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  26. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This is key. We need to get the most out of these guys.
     
  27. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    With drafts like these, you hope to get at least two starters by year 1 and three or four by year 4. The offensive linemen sound promising enough but we've all been down this road before.
    I actually far more interested in Dion Jordan's training camp than any of the rookies.
     
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  28. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    His balls finally dropped last year so hopefully he has matured.
     
  29. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    This made me giggle
     
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  30. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    The logic is, if we're willing to spend a 1st rounder to overdraft James instead of trading up our 2nd for him, then why not grab Brandin Cooks at 19 and then use next year's 1st on James shortly into the 2nd round? That way we get better value at 19 and still get James with a 1st rounder. Plus it gets us both draft picks on the field this year rather than one this year and one next. Make sense?
     
  31. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    Your assuming Hickey wanted Cooks over Landry. Maybe he had Landry graded higher all along and knew he could get him late 2nd. (hence the trade back).
     
  32. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    Seems like James and Turner are the only candidates to start year 1. So we would be doing well to get two.
    Maybe Aiken overtakes Finnegan if Finn struggles again this year, but that seems like a long shot, because Taylor and Davis would have something to say about that as well.
     
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  33. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Yea that one hurt! Pittsburgh picked like 3 or 4 players I really wanted. They had an excellent draft, so did buffalo, no surprise the bills GM came from the steelers front office.
     
  34. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Overall this draft doesn't give me much faith in Hickey being the long term answer at GM, really the only unit improved in the draft was the OL.

    If we were gonna reach in the 1st and dismiss the BPA strategy completely then we might as well have moved down into the mid-late 20s and taken Seferian Jenkins while getting an extra 3rd. Then taken Moses or Turner in the 2nd...they were both there at pick #50, even if Hickey didn't think they'd fall, the trade down gave him extra ammo to move up in the 2nd to get whatever OL he preferred. Hell James could have realistically fallen out of the 1st round, we could've moved up to the early 2nd for him.

    I have a lot more faith in Seferian Jenkins actually cracking the rotation and having a significant impact than Landry...especially right away.
     
  35. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Hey..lets make a deal. For every Dolphins player you find easy on the eyes..you keep putting up the female equivalent! Nice choice!

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
     
  36. inFINSible

    inFINSible Bad ministrator

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    We married need with player and plugged a huge hole with James and that's fine with me. If we hit on a tough possession receiver and a decent guard to start or be a solid backups, I'm happy...and that gets a B from me. If anybody else makes the team, as far as I'm concerned, that's gravy.

    But, I would like to point out that we can't really call this Hickey's draft. He was so hamstrung by the state of the o-line there was no other choice but to take those safe players and to MAKE sure he got the ones HE wanted. In that sense yes, it is on him but, who would he have chosen if he wasn't forced to fix this gaping problem? Does he still take an o-lineman if he actually has a choice in the matter? I think he has to do what he's done in the draft and free agency just to get the team to a point where it can function properly. Next year when he has evaluated everyone and starts drafting players who he thinks are upgrades and not necessities, we'll get a better idea who he is and what he's all about.
     
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  37. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

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  38. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    if he's still here.
     
  39. inFINSible

    inFINSible Bad ministrator

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    I think It would be absolutely ridiculous if he was given one year to sink or swim with the disaster he inherited.
     
  40. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Philbin's in charge, Hickey is not in charge.
     

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