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Dolphins receive worst draft grade on NFL.com

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 13Machine8385, May 9, 2014.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    So much of this post is silly.

    We have gone after playmakers (Tanny, Jordan, Taylor, Miller, Landry, OV, etc.) in recent drafts. We've been smart (Tannehill) and we've been bold (Jordan trade up). The last 3 drafts there is no discernible pattern to link all three together. Not too mention there's been two different GMs in that time period.

    Passing on Moss to take Fletcher was an obvious mistake. It was an obvious mistake because Fletcher wasn't very good and it was a position of glut on this team when an explosive WR was a dire need. Not taking Cooks, to take the best RT left is so not even in the same ballpark, its a different sport altogether. Your comparison isn't apples to oranges, its apples to toilets. We needed a RT. Our line was the single biggest reason we missed the playoffs. Fixing an offensive line that allowed 58 goddamned sacks is absolutely making impact decisions that will change the dynamic of this team.....for example, we'll be able to run the ball now too. I'm saying this as someone who thought we could spend our 1st on an impact skill receiver in the 1st and a RT in the second.

    Also, if you don't think Landry is a high impact skill player that will change the dynamic of this team, then you have no idea what a high impact skill player who changes the dynamic of a team looks like.

    You're grumpy because they didn't select Player X. That's fine and normal. But acting like people are going out of their way to put a positive spin on this draft is ridiculous. Our first three picks are stellar players at positions of dire need, that is not reaching for positivity, its fact.
     
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  2. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Draft grades are for entertainment only. It really comes down to was the GM as "smart" as the writer's perceived view of were players should go.

    I'm sure the 1992 Colts would have gotten the draft grade of the century after picking #1 and #2. Of course as time went on, both were major draft busts.

    The success of this draft will come down to will James be a successful RT and did we fill some other holes. People that saw that move as a reach will give us a poor grade. People that saw the potential for a trade down will give us an average grade. People that understand we may have filled a major need and maybe he wouldn't have been there 8 spots below will like our draft.

    As much as people want to b**** and moan, we have no idea what we got offered, the quality of the offer, whether it was worth risking a player they had a high grade for and whether he would have been there later. Personally, I would rather they go with the guy they like and think is a starter from day 1 vs missing him, getting someone later they aren't sold on for a 3rd pick whose chance of success is probably 50% lower than a 1st rounder.

    I think some people need to sit back, relax and give our GM a little trust until he proves that he doesn't deserve it. I know it's hard to be patient and trust after the last decade but it's not worth being miserable and b****ing all the time.

    I think we addressed some major needs, possibly got 2-4 starters and added some nice quality depth.
     
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  3. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    If Billy Turner and JaWuan James turn out to be NFL starters and very good then it will obviously be a great draft. Landry I expect to be good but this draft will ultimately be determined by Turner and James.

    But as far as our 4th-7th round draft picks... I only expect Lynch to make the roster... the rest won't make it, Aikens will likely end up in the practice squad. I mean there's not much to expect from those rounds anyways but there was a lot of talent we passed on as well. Oh well.
     
  4. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I'd be downright shocked if neither Tripp and especially Aikens didn't make opening day.
     
  5. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Unless we keep 5 CBs. Aikens is going to have a tough time cracking the roster I think.
     
  6. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    When asked how he drafted, Chip Kelly's response was something to the effect of " I won't know until they get on the field, and anyone who says different is lying".

    Throw all the opinions and grades you want out there and it don't mean ****.
     
  7. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    We'll be keeping 5 CBs.
     
  8. MikeHoncho

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    By the looks of it, our 3rd and 4th rounders were projected to have been 7th and UDFA, respectively.
     
  9. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    One of which can probably play safety.
     
  10. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    By who?
     
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  11. MikeHoncho

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  12. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Says 3-4 for Billy Turner. Aikens 6-7.
     
  13. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    We kept like 11 DBs last year.
     
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  14. 13Machine8385

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    It's not silly and it's not apples to oranges.

    If we were talking about a franchise that has been successful over the past 20 years you might have a point. The only thing lacking from my take is the fact that the draft just ended yesterday and Cooks and Robinson haven't played a down in the NFL yet.

    My point was that I have lived this draft over and over again. We are always chasing our tails. If people think that we are going to havean OL that is composed of 40% rookies and we are suddenly going to be a successful offense then they are probably wishful thinking. I find it hilarious that everyone thinks that our OL is "fixed". It's not fixed. It is the beginning of a rebuild.

    We obviously have realized as an organization that we will not be competing for any championships this season. There is probably a 2 or 3 year plan in place. When we go 8-8 this season, don't be disappointed because that's the team that we are right now.

    As for Landry I love him as a player. I will love him as a Dolphin. He is a better version of our #2 - #4 WRs. I don't mind having him. He's not the type of weapon that we needed to ADD to the offense. He is more of an upgrade to the style of player that we already have on the team. If you look at the rosters in the NFL and see the weapons that they bring to the table and the different styles of weapons, you might understand. Unfortunately, you probably won't do that.

    Basically, I don't even know what point you were trying to make. Are you saying that we do indeed draft playmakers? Are you watching the same games that I am? The same team? Damn it man you gotta wake up.

    Of all the players you listed, we made the playoffs ZERO times after that draft.
    2013 - 26th in scoring
    2012 - 27th in scoring
    2011 - 20th in scoring
    2010 - 30th in scoring

    WAKE UP!!
     
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  15. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Can someone share the Dee Ford vs. Ja'Wuan James tape? I can't find it anywhere.
     
  16. 13Machine8385

    13Machine8385 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Your points are well taken and have a better thought process than Fin D

    I do think we drafted good players. I like them. I really do. I just don't like how in a draft loaded with explosive, potential game changers, we don't take any of them. We seldomly ever do. Landry is such a solid, tough player. He's just not the missing piece we have been lacking for so long. He's not the 6'3+ Outside presence that we are lacking nor the short area quickness guy that we need.

    Nice take though. I see where you are coming from. This has just been going on for such a long time. I signed up for Marino,Clayton,Duper,Moore,Nathan and NFL passing records and the bottom fell out on that a long time ago. Ironically, we are a passing league more than ever now and we don't measure up. I like Tanny. I like Wallace as a #2. We need what he brings to the table. I like what Landry will bring. But those 2 huge holes in our passing offense are still not filled.
     
  17. Aquafin

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    the poor house

    you have a good point we don't have A DUPER OR CLAYTON and we don't even ha a O.J. McDuffie Hartline is average Mathews might be better then average but I wont bet the farm on it. is Wallace a improvement over Bess ? hell yea he is but poor coaching doesn't help any of our wrs. we get Daniel Thomas and Lamar Miller and we let Bush go. Detroit is a much better franchise right now because they are going after playmakers Miami is still doing things have ***.

    this goes back to Sparano. he gets rid of our best olinemen and drafts crappy players then he gets rid of our best offensive players on top of all that .

    I would take Lousalka Polite and a aging Ronnie Brown over the runingbacks we have now. none of our tightends scare opposing defenses..

    this crap of letting players go and replacing them with below average players has to stop . San Fran doesn't let do it so Miami should not do it either.

    if we would only build up one side of the ball at a time then we just might make it to the super bowl someday soon.
     
  18. Stitches

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  19. mlb1399

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    I hear what you're saying and it is a necessary evil when you have to take lineman. I think we already have one of the biggest and most explosive playmakers that we don't utilize because RTH has missed him when he's open and we can't protect our QB. If solidifying the OL helps with 1 or both, then we will get utilization out of the guy we opened the bank for who is one of the best at making big plays.
     
  20. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I agree.

    I'd like to add that while I certainly blame Wallace for his share of mistakes I'd like to see Ryan miss long rather than short. Wallace could fight harder but he will NEVER be a jump ball receiver. What he can do is gear up and run under it.

    Also as a QB you are taught early on its better to miss that throw long unless the safety has position ahead of the WR.
     
  21. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Tripp will make the 53 man roster. I guarantee it. :yes: Barring injury that may send him to IR of course. 4th rounders like Aikens make the 53 man roster as rookies most of the time. After that high an investment, teams are more willing to give them sort of a 'redshirt' year if nothing else. Fede is such an unknown for 98% of us, it's hard to say. Hazel is someone I'd put at 50/50, though Jeremiah and Mayock both seem very high on him.
    We have several UDFAs who have a good chance too. Anthony Johnson, Gator Hoskins, Deion Belue, Brock Jensen, Demetrius Wright, and Tyler Larsen probably the most likely.
     
  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    5 corners and 4 safeties is about the minimum number of DBs to carry on the 53.
     
  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Projected by whom? No one whose opinion matters anyway.
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Part of the reason why was Taylor and Davis were injured and there was no way we were going to cut them, and we still needed 8-9 healthy DBs to dress for the games, what with 6 needed for the dime, and others for most of the special teams.
     
  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    We never did that.
     
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  26. Sceeto

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    Odd side note: No Texas Longhorns drafted? Weird.
     
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  27. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I mean...we did do those two things at different points in time and both were mistakes. You are right though we never passed on Moss FOR Fletcher.
     
  28. Brasfin

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    The WR battle is going to be a tough one, last year we kept only 4 in the beginning of the season.. this season we'll probably keep at least 5 and possibly 6. If all the injured receivers come back well and ready to play, I have a hard time seeing Hazel making the 53. Hartline, Wallace and Gibson are probably locks, Matthews and Landry will probably make it as well... that already makes 5 receivers and there's still Armon Binns, Matt Hazel, Damian Williams and all the other UDFAs and such.
     
  29. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Armando tweeted that Mathews wasn't a favorite of Philbins. The way we drafted I have no problem believing that.
     
  30. 77FinFan

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    Huh, wonder why? I never thought he was great, but he seemed serviceable. Prefer Gibson when healthy.
     
  31. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Mack Brown doesn't have a job either for a reason... his scouting failed and Baylor took most of the Texas talent.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It's a nice problem to have, all the WRs talented enough to deserve a roster spot. Someone will probably get hurt in camp, so it's good to have so much off season depth.
     
  33. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    We passed on Brees, and Reggie Wayne, among others, for Fletcher in 2001. Jimmy traded down to the late 1st before the 1998 draft's first pick was made. Moss fell past our original spot. We eventually used a late 1st on John Avery. Jimmy commented after the draft that had he not previously traded down, he'd have picked Vonnie Holliday. Then he commented how he ended up drafting a player the equivalent of Moss anyway, in Larry Shannon. We got a few good players that year, Pat Surtain, Kenny Mixon, Lorenzo Bromell, but oh what could have been. It's one of the depressing things about our history to think we could have had Marino to Moss for 2 years. He also passed on Olin Kreutz that year too. The "great" Jimmy seemed to have a good eye for defensive talent, but was woefully lacking when it came to drafting offensive players.
     
  34. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    And our draft grade matters how? Why dont we wait and see who makes the team and how they perform on the field before we decide if we had a good draft or not.
     
  35. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    See what SF is doing? It's still early and results are never guaranteed but:

    Boldin, Crabtree, Stevie Johnson, Bruce Ellington.
    Vernon Davis
    Gore, Carlos Hyde.

    Imagine that lineup for Tannehill yikes.
     
  36. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    That's why they've been in the NFC championship game every year since Harbaugh. Just loaded with talent. I don't trust Kaepernick's arm to deliver the ball though, with that kind of talent you should be scoring 3 touchdowns minimum per game.
     
  37. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes it's actually Kaep holding them back but remember, last year all they had at WR was Boldin, everyone else was injured for most of the year. But Kaep who started the year very inconsistent went on a tear starting week 12, and week 13 Crabtree came back and they railed off wins to end the season, with Kaep at 100+ QBR in all but one game.

    Kaep needs step up his accuracy a little, get it in the Russell Wilson range of 62% or more.The good thing is, his misfires don't result in INT's too much. With that running game he doesn't need to be Peyton Manning.
     
  38. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    To be fair to Jimmy, we had just spent a 1st round pick the year before on Yatil Green which I'm sure played into his thinking.
     
  39. Alex13

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    Pic 1 : if he does that more than 3 times a game in the NFL, he will be on IR by week 3
    Pic 2 : Hail Mary..intercepted
     
  40. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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