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  1. daphins

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    Correct.

    What does abridge rights? Banning him from twitter? Calling for his job? A fine?


    Curious because I'm not sure where the line should be drawn. I don't like what he said. As a fan, I'm embarrassed of him and quite frankly don't want him representing my team. At the same time I don't think that I agree with him bring silenced over it, or that he should lose his job.

    Odd things yo contemplate.


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  2. phinswolverinesrockets

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  3. Shamboubou

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    The same could be said though about keeping your sexual preferences to your self and not having ESPN specials about it. That doesn't need to be blasted all over TV or Twitter anymore than somebodys negative opinions about it.

    Anything done in the public eye is open to public opinion, positive or negative,
     
  4. Den54

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    That episode was pure gold.
     
  5. phinswolverinesrockets

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    yes it was
     
  6. pmj

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    The only thing that abridges his rights would be the government silencing him. If the team wants to fire him, that's up to them. Any business usually draws the "line" where you start to affect the bottom line.
     
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  7. Stringer Bell

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    Your equation of two men showing affection to one another to pornography really just furthers my point.

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  8. Shamboubou

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    Can a team fire him for supporting gay rights? Is that fair as well?
     
  9. Ronnie Bass

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    That's MY point, where does it end? Either way you once again you've shown how close minded one like you is, if you're not 100% aboard on what you feel we should all find acceptable then you're a bigot, you're really too much. As always.
     

  10. Funny I never heard you make that argument for Donald sterling.
     
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  11. daphins

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    See, this is where I disagree. The guy expressed an opinion, and as much as I disagree with him, he didn't do something reckless or illegal. We can publicly denounce and disagree with his beliefs, but until he's doing something to harm the rights of others, I don't think we should be allowed to take away his ability to work.

    SAMs has every right to be who he is and not hide it. He shouldn't be shouted into a closet just because people disagree with his sexuality or lifestyle.

    Jones has every right to be who he is and not hide it. He shouldn't be shouted into a closet just because people disagree with his personal morals or religious beliefs.


    There's a fine line between being tolerant of one side, and intolerant of another. As long as neither side is advocating for the other side to lose their rights they should both be tolerated in our world.
     
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  12. pmj

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    Sure, but with the majority of consumers disagreeing with that, that wouldn't be very smart business wise.

    Of course there can be examples the other way. If, for example, an employee of Fox News were to make disparaging remarks about Christianity or hell, just openly advocate for atheism, I'd say they'd be very likely to either get fired or soon be on the way out. Its not about fair or unfair, it's about how it's received by your intended audience. He's free to make those remarks and the network is free to get rid of ppl it's consumers don't like.
     
  13. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Majority of consumers would disagree with firing someone for his political views, not necessarily for supporting "gay rights." I don't know where you get that majority of Americans support gay rights, that's debatable.
     
  14. pmj

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    The problem with your argument is that there is no "we". We don't have a say in anyones employment more than just calling/writing that business, or supporting it with our wallet.

    If there are MORE consumers/advertisers/business partners saying I won't buy from/advertise with/work with you as long as you employ this person that made the "offensive" remarks, regardless of the subject, then the business usually just parts ways with that person.

    If you said the business couldn't do that, then you are now limiting the rights of that business. Should there always be so much outrage about certain subjects to the point that people are getting fired or losing ownership of their NBA team? Probably not, but that's a different issue.
     
  15. NUGap

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    52% would back federal law legalizing gay marriage: http://www.gallup.com/poll/163730/back-law-legalize-gay-marriage-states.aspx

    59% support while 34% oppose gay marriage: http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...37e87e-a3e5-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html

    81% of 18-29 year olds believe gay marriage should be legal - so once the old people die off, those with anti-gay sentiments are really going to be on the wrong side of the fence: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/04/21/anti-gay-marriage-sentiment-fading/

    That's a majority
     
  16. pmj

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  17. MrClean

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    I am not bothered by seeing any two people kissing, generally speaking. But in the context of the home cams for draft reactions, I don't really need to see any two people shoving cake into each other's mouths and then seriously kissing with the cake still all over their faces. I would not have cared to see Ryan and Lauren doing that if they'd have been in a similar venue when he was drafted. Had there been a camera at Ja'Wuan James' house, and if he'd done the same with a girlfriend, I would not have wanted to see that, and the same goes for Sam and his boyfriend. I can get being excited and emotional after being drafted, but if it were me, all they'd see on camera would be some hugging and maybe a quick, much less passionate sort of kiss.

    Also, and while I sat here and watched Sam and his bf's passionate exchange live, and thought to myself, I wouldn't have gone there if it were me, I sure as hell did not feel the need to blast my thoughts on the matter all over the world of twitter.
     
  18. Shamboubou

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    You my friend are 1000% correct, that is exactly how it should be handled which is why I feel everybody's true beliefs should be out in the open. Sterlin for example was about to win an award from the NAACP before his comments. I'd much rather know when not to associate with somebody up front than learn later they have been smiling in my face and talking bad behind my back. I think most people want truth and honesty. The problem with your idea is that isn't how its being done, the bakery in colorado for example wasn't given the option to not provide service to a homosexual couples wedding. This couple had been going to this bakery for quite sometime and didn't know their belief on gay marriage until later. Wouldn't have just been better for the couple to know upfront about the bakery beliefs so they could take their business elsewhere? The issue is the government always steps in and makes the decision for the free market, other than letting the people decided if they want to do business or support a team that has a player that feels the certain way.
     
  19. Disgustipate

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    None of those things abridge his rights. Those are legitimate actions his employer may take in regards to him potentially damaging their brand and ability to generate revenue.
     
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  20. Shamboubou

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    Who knows if thats actually how those polled really felt or if they were afraid of being labled a biggot for not conforming to the pressure of our society. As many have said here its ok to not believe in it at home, but do project that into the public because then its wrong.
     
  21. pmj

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    What situation are you referring to where the government stepped in?
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Then that also shows a shift
     
  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He believes that a business should be able to deny services based on beliefs.
     
  24. TooGoodForDez

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    Not impressed by your evidence. What is the error? Gay marriage is not the only gay issue, etc, how does this translate state to state where laws are made?
     
  25. Disgustipate

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    What is your point? He had the misfortune of comments he intended to be private going public, sure, but he's a public figure and the same issues are still problematic.
     
  26. NUGap

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    You have the links, you can find the error yourself.

    81% said businesses should not be allowed to refuse gay patrons: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/pa...ch-2014-politics-obama-and-2014-midterms/855/

    78% said gay couples could be just as good parents as straight couples: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/pa...ch-2014-politics-obama-and-2014-midterms/855/

    Here's an entire list of polling done on the subject, I think you'll find that nearly every poll from 2013 and 2014 showed a majority support for gay related issues: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#Polls_in_2014

    You can find my evidence "not compelling" all you like, but there's a plethora of polling indicating exactly what I'm saying. Younger people are overwhelmingly supporting gay rights, including young Republicans 61% of whom agree with gay marriage should be legal. You can argue silly issues like morality and inherent human behavior, but there's an ideological shift going on and it's really not debatable. The numbers are there to prove it. It's really going to suck for those who are anti-gay rights in the coming future, because things are going to get a lot gayer.
     
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  27. TooGoodForDez

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    Those issues are the very issues driving your poll, so I don't know how you can call it silly and then call upon it when it suits you. Sounds like you want people to make amoral or immoral decisions to suit your viewpoint.
     
  28. Stringer Bell

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    Where does what end? Pornography is not acceptable publicly. Kissing a significant other is.

    Kissing a significant other has never been a topic on this forum until a gay man did it.

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  29. Shamboubou

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    I believe business should be able to deny services to any person for any reason, those reasons should be made public that way people are aware of who they are giving their hard earned money to. I also think though if you are going to deny service to anybody or employment to anybody it needs to be posted in the front of your business for the public to see so that the free market can decide if they want to do business with that place.
     
  30. You based your argument off of intent.
     
  31. Shamboubou

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    It doesn't show a shift in beliefs it shows a shift in what people think about their public appearance with social media these days. Its a lot easier to get your opinion to the public but also a lot easier to be criticized by those who are fanatical about an issue to throw a fit over your opinion. Most people like me really don't care one way or another about gay rights, this country has a lot bigger issues. I would vote tomorrow to give them rights to marry, that way these idiots getting voted in office over these kinds of issues would stop and we could get people in office to fix the real issues of this country. We are all judged one day and its not my job to be that person.
     
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  32. Ronnie Bass

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    We're not talking about what is acceptable publicly because you said I was bigot because I don't care to watch too men kissing I never said in what venue because I meant it in all venues.

    And just typing how you find it to be bigotry because someone finds men kissing gross I realize how ludicrous that sounds. You really need to get perspective what bigotry really is.
     
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    OMG I finally figured out who you are!

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  34. Disgustipate

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    No, I didn't. I based my argument off of the idea that an employer or trade organization has a right to intervene if a public figure that represents them damages their ability to do business.
     
  35. Den54

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  36. Stringer Bell

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    The fact that it has only become a topic once a gay man did it is the reason why this is another example of bigotry.

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  37. You arguing intent
     
  38. canesz06

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    Why is it wrong for people to speak their minds? If Don Jones doesnt like seeing two men kiss each other, why cant he say anything about it. Political correctness is out of control.
     
  39. Den54

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    Because unless you are independently wealthy, you have to curb your tongue if you wish to stay employed in most cases.
     
  40. canesz06

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    I understand that. Its still B.S. though.
     

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