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The Miami Dolphins are inept collectively at Social Media

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, May 10, 2014.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    An expression can be disrespectful.
     
  2. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    That's EVERY politician. Left/Right. Lib/Con. BLah blah blah. They all don't give a rats arse about the country. Just how they can get theirs.
     
  3. hatchettjack

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    I think jones should fight the punishment!

    SENT FROM MY G-FLEX, BECAUSE SIZE MATTERS, BUT SO DOES FLEXability
     
  4. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    I refered to the N word actually, and if that doesn't matter that players be offending African Americans who are disrespected and offended by that word why does it matter if he offends homosexuals? Does one deserve more disrespect than the other?
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The NFL is already considering penalties for using ****** on the field. What is your point?
     
  6. keithjackson

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    Don Jones is free to say whatever he wants wherever he wants to. He is free to do any number of things that would get him fired from his job, nobody is taking that away from him. His freedom of speech is intact. However, we are discussing the freedom to be an idiot ultimately, and what action an employer can take.

    If I, or one of my employees, called out sick from work and then blasted social media with updates from their day at the amusement park, which they are free to do, there will be repercussions at work the next day. When a schoolteacher friend of mine did half nude photos for a charity that were posted on social media, there were repercussions for him at work when his students found them. my mother is a school teacher who had a coworker who was threatened with his job if he did not take down a facebook page stating undesireable things ---- and it was NOT even his; students had created for him using his name, but the employer didnt care. If I am spouting things on social media that go against the mission of statement of my employer, I will incur the same wrath as if I was saying it to clients face-to-face. Therefore, if my company is making a huge 'pro-gay' push, I should know better than to tweet things that could get me fired. I am free to do so, but it would mean I am prioritizing my anit-gay sentiment over my paycheck.

    As an employer, I do look down on the Dolphins for this, because "social media" is old enough now where this sort of thing should've been preventatively addressed, especially since the NFL sent out sensitivity training packets last offseason regarding welcoming gay players in preparation for this moment, and i have to assume social media was covered covered. so either the NFL or Dolphins dropped the ball in their training, or Don Jones is extra dumb.
     
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  7. 666Dog

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    I see nothing wrong with what Jones wrote. We can debate all day long on whether or not he should have written anything, but trying to control thoughts is fascism. I understand that a company wants their employees to conform to their philosophies, but finding something gross shouldn't evoke a fine or suspension. If a 7th round player shoved cake in his 350lb girlfriend's mouth in the same manner and circumstance as Sam did I would also find that gross and shocking. Tolerating something isn't the same as liking something. I can tolerate traffic, unruly kids, traffic, and a host of other things that I don't like. And sometimes I even make my thoughts known. The fact that liberals, gays, and the NFL are trying to dictate what I should and shouldn't like is ridiculous and again, borderline fascism. When I saw that I was shocked and grossed out. I could care less if someone is gay. I believe all people deserve the same rights and opportunities no matter their race, religion, creed, gender, or sexual orientation. When I see two men kiss it grosses me out. Not because I'm homophobic, i don't think I can catch gay, but it's not something I find appealing. Some people, heterosexual people, are into eating poop and drinking pee, or whipping each other, that's gross to me too...Am I intolerant for those feelings too? I really hope that the Dolphins are doing this in order to quell the squeaking wheel and I hope they took Don aside and said, "look, we don't care what you wrote, but we have to play the game. Just pay this fine and go to this class and we'll be straight."
     
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  8. Shamboubou

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    My freaking point is that you can't police one kind of disrespect and ignore the same kind of disrespect to a different group of people is my point. Does it make either of them right? NO! On top of that I wouldn't be the least bit offended if every homosexual person in the world said "Ewww Gross" if I was on TV kissing my wife. Its obviously not their thing, so I wouldn't expect them to be excited about seeing it. Its ok for people to have a different normal and to think somebody elses normal is wierd or gross. Both sides of that equation need to be tolerant of the views of the other.
     
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  9. Mr772

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    And finally someone gets to the real issue, LGBT activists and the media agenda story advocates tolerance but there is no tolerance if you disagree with them (they want you fired, negatively affected and silenced no matter what it takes). Its nice to see the deployment of Saul Alinsky tactics on this subject as well in this thread. The throwing of insults and names was quick to the surface. Insults and name calling like "Bigot" and "Xenophobe" are just cheap insults and labels, as soon as someone starts throwing them out I know they are devoid of rational thought on their own and are just programed by the establishment socialists.

    This is the narrative: The establishment media and the leading fraud of the US are quick to praise and celebrate any abomination of nature. Anyone who disagrees is a moron, utterly stupid and everyone else has a right to do whatever they feel necessary to put a stop to the dissent. This is how thing are supposed to play out we just seen it happen in a somewhat similar fashion with the forcing out of Brendan Eich. They want anyone who disagrees with them to be afraid to speak.
     
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  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    But they aren't.

    So your answer was, "Yes he was disrespectful, but I have to create a new point so I can also be right."
     
  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Yea, like Harriet Tubman and her agenda. Or the Fascist Martin Luther King. Don't start me on the bigot Susan B. Anthony.
     
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  12. 666Dog

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    When did it become "tolerant" to be intolerant of someones opinions/feelings?
     
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  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Since the dawn of time.

    So if someone believes that I am an abomination because my mom is white and my dad is black, I am supposed to be tolerant of their opinion and feeling?
     
  14. Da 'Fins

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    Certainly it can be, if done derogatorily. That cuts in all directions in any disagreement. But, expressing disapproval itself or expressing that one finds an action offensive is not disrespectful.

    To use another analogy - some people find that eating dog is repugnant ('horrible') in their eyes. Same with monkey brains. To others such items are a delicacy.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    True, and if I am eating monkey brains and someone goes, "OMG gross" they are being disrespectful.
     
  16. 666Dog

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    Dol-Fan...I suspect you don't know the definition of tolerance if you believe it's been this way since "the dawn of time". Again, tolerance is NOT agreement. Tolerance is NOT liking.
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Never said tolerance was either.
     
  18. 666Dog

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    Calling something gross is not disrespectful. It may be frank, but it's not necessarily disrespectful. If i told someone who was eating a dog that they weren't human or a POS that would be disrespect. Attacking the person is disrespect..attacking the action is not.
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    LOL, cute.
     
  20. Shamboubou

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    Wrong this is my point all along, if what he said is going to be viewed as disrespectful the NFL might have a hard time fielding any teams this year because there are a lot of disrespectful players out there to all kinds of different groups. I'm saying that I don't find what he said disrespectful. Obviously Ross, the NFL, and the media found it all disrespectful. They also by ignoring the use of the N word on twitter, derogatory remarks to women on twitter, and other disrepectful things to a lot of different groups. They are saying they don't care as much about that disrespect as they do homosexual disrespect because nothing is being done about it. I dont know any way to more clearly explain this.
     
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  21. 666Dog

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    (For some reason I can't quote) Dol-fan-: That's exactly what you implied by your black/white parents scenario. If you want to be tolerant then yes...you have to be tolerant of their opinion whether you like it or not. That's the very definition of tolerance.
     
  22. OkiePhin

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    If Jones tweeted "OMG" or "Horrible" after Madona and Brittany Spears made out on stage would he be fined and punished? Nope... After watching Miley Cirus twerking on Robin Thicke? Nope...The comments weren't about Sam being drafted but at the 5-10 min of crying, caressing, kissing and cake smearing that went with it. Im disappointed at the knee jerk punishment imposed on Jones.
     
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  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    No, it wouldn't have embarrassed his team or even got any attention.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Then I am fine with being intolerant to intolerance.
     
  25. 666Dog

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    At most Jones is guilty of being tactless. Nothing more.
     
  26. 666Dog

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    Then Dol-fan, you are a hug e hypocrite.
     
  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    There is nothing wrong with being a hypocrite.
     
  28. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Don't forget "Openly". That would be a disservice to all the beard wives out there past & present, like Gisele. (I'm gay so I can make that joke, right?) :up:

    I think its clear nobody will ever totally agree on how something like this is handled. He said what he said and he had that freedom, just like the Dolphins have the freedom to respond how they have. Either way they would be criticized. Whatever, is what it is. I mean if I saw an interracial couple and said that it was "Horrible", I can't be surprised if my employer fires me or takes some kind of action, or if people protest me.

    It's hard to change minds. I just find it funny when certain people make a statement or cast a judgment, ie Marshall Henderson (some college basketball player) who had a worse response than Don Jones... Meanwhile he's been arrested multiple times, sleeps around with multiple women and has photos making out with different girls while drunk while wearing a Jenna Jameson shirt. Nice person to cast judgment. But that is how it goes. Henderson is a douchebag, and you can't change a douchebag.
     
  29. Da 'Fins

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    It comes down to definitions and power. I certainly think that such a view you illustrate would be wrong and is ignorant because there is no moral basis for that. But, as long as someone does not mistreat you or them - they can hold whatever view they want.

    What about adultery? Divorce? Polygamy? How about sex between a 19 year old and a 17 year old? Should society be intolerant of any public expression from an individual that those actions are, in their eyes, distasteful or immoral - even though they may treat such individuals with fairness and integrity?

    Ultimately, you are going to undercut yourself of any number of free expressions that you find legitimate - if you go down this path. This is the problem when Political Correctness is in force. Society becomes ruled by power. If for example, 80% of society found homosexuality to be very distasteful and were intolerant of it were very troubled by the actions of Sam - it may well be that the Dolphins would do nothing to Don Jones and might actually decide not to let Sam play because of his views. That would be ostensibly the same thing the Dolphins are doing to Jones. It would just be in the opposite direction because they found a different action or idea repulsive.

    What happens is, Power - Might makes right. That is ostensibly what PC is and it will ultimately damage society and becomes a self-defeating proposition when one day the tables are turned and the proverbial 'sword' is pointed toward one of your own beliefs. This is the flaw in virtually all metanarratives - they seek to dominate with power. And open the door, thereby, to their own demise.

    Btw, I am not arguing this point with any animosity toward anyone here - I just think that the intolerance of such a public expression is a problem. Peace.
     
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  30. Da 'Fins

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    I disagree. They are expressing distaste in such an action. They may actually love you and be family but it would not be disrespectful. When our kids were young, and they saw their parents kiss - they said, "gross" many times - it was not disrespectful. We simply laughed about it.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Expressing distaste for an action can be disrespectful. You can disrespect someone who you love and be family.

    Kids do a lot of disrespectful when they are adults but are laughed at when they are children.
     
  32. unluckyluciano

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    its a weird derivative from "They are shoving their lifestyles down our throats."
     
  33. 666Dog

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    The biggest thing wrong with being a hypocrite is they can't be taken seriously.
     
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  34. 666Dog

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    It's not so much the lifestyle as it is the fact that I'm told that I MUST like seeing two men kiss or I'm wrong.


    I don't like to watch golf. I despise watching golf. I don't despise golfers though. Am I being disrespectful or intolerant towards golfers?
     
  35. MrClean

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    Which is why I cannot take 90% of Christians seriously. The vast majority of them are the biggest hypocrites on earth. WADR to the notable exceptions who happen to be members of this forum like Pastor Keith and RevRick whom I respect a great deal, our religious differences not withstanding.
     
  36. MrClean

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    That may well be true, but in the cases of Ted Cruz and Alan Keys, two of the examples given, I see absolutely nothing liberal about any of their viewpoints, whether it be social or economic issues. Some, such as Ahnuld, the Guvornator, you know who I mean, he was a social liberal and a fiscal conservative and even then on economic issues didn't seem hard core far right. Cruz and Keys are the types of total right wing scum that I cannot for the life me of me understand how any middle class or poor person could ever support them and feel either cares one iota about their best interests.
     
  37. Finfangirl

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    How again was kissing your loved one improper decorum? I get you don't like it, I don't like it either, but I'm also not one for PDA, but he has a right to kiss his significant other. The people who were wrong here are ESPN for continuing to role on his special moment and then making the decision to air it. But, they aren't being one sided here either, they showed at least 3 or 4 guys who got drafted kissing and hugging their girlfriends.
    My point is, you can love it, hate it, feel indifferent, but there is no place for blasting your feelings all over social media. Say it to your friends, text someone, but the choice to air it to everyone was both irresponsible and nonsensical, especially when you and your employer just went through a whole bunch of sensitivity training.

    As far as sterling goes, you have a right to think/say whatever the hell you want in the privacy of your own home. I don't agree with his views, but I'm pissed as an American that his right to privacy was infringed.
     
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  38. LOL you know nothing about my professional life or the reach of my influence in society. Be Afraid Very Afraid (insert sinster laugh)
     
  39. unluckyluciano

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    no one told you you must like it.

    a more apt comparsion would be "Ewwwwwwwww look too mexicans are kissing." or "Ewwwwwwwwwww look two black people are kissing." and so on.
     
  40. You make a fair point about the media encouraging his behavior but he is still just as much culpulable for the choices he makes as is the others. He is a public figure and needs to mind his actions too or again we reached the point of impasse with the double standard in place.
     

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