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The Miami Dolphins are inept collectively at Social Media

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, May 10, 2014.

  1. Finfangirl

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    He called something a gay man did, "gross". That's fine for him to think that, but it is disrespectful to mr. Sam and other gay people for him to say it for all the world to see on social f'n media. What don't you get? Mr. Jones was representing and still is, the Miami Dolphins and he deserves any and all punishments he gets. Want to know why? Because his employer is displeased with his actions. In all of life there are always consequences to ones actions. You HAVE to THINK before you REACT.
     
  2. Two Tacos

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    I cannot take anyone seriously that thinks all opinions are equal.

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  3. Shamboubou

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    Really because 20 Trillion dollars in debt is helping the poor by devalueing the U.S. Dollar? Because giving people affordable healthcare premiums and astronomical insurance deductables is helping the poor? Raising insurance premiums to pay for those who are now paying lower premiums is helping the middle class? Cutting reimbursement to doctors to the point they are now refusing to see medicare/medicaid patients helps the poor? Raising the minimum wage to $10.10 is going to help the poor after they get cut to part time and then have to buy their own healthcare or be fined as a responce is helping the poor? The one thing that this whole regiem hangs their hat on is a freaking disaster. None of these clowns are in there to help the poor or middle class. They are there to help their bank accounts and those that fill their bank accounts. They are all scum.

    But hey lets continue to tax the living hell out of businesses until they all move out of the country and we have a whole nation dependent on government assistance and a Republican never gets elected. What a victory that day will be. But hey, at least we'll have legal marriage for all and smoke all the dope we want.
     
  4. Fixed it for you so it makes sense now to intelligent people :tongue2:
     
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  5. Ronnie Bass

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    I know you wouldn't call me a bigot for it but before I said I was a 100% for gay rights across the board but I don't enjoy watching men kiss and asked if that makes me a bigot and Stringer said yes so there is a fraction just in here who feel I must like it or I'm a bigot.
     
  6. All opinions have an equal right to be espoused whether you agree with them or not
     
  7. Finfangirl

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    Have you ever gotten caught up in the moment? Life changing moment? I have and minding my actions, like kissing my significant other happened, and I didn't even realize what was happening. I was truly grateful and overcome with emotions.
     
  8. They both are outspoken advocates of the individules freedom to speak their minds which is a liberal position. Why is it that the left wants to squash the free exchange of ideas that they do not like rather then debate and out reason them?
     
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  9. unluckyluciano

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    Being against bigotry isn't "you must like it". It is "don't be intolerant." Intolerant meaning treat people equally. That is not the same as having to like something.
     
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  10. Two Tacos

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    Seriously, this "you aren't being tolerant of my intolerance" argument is one of the more specious and childish ones I've seen. Is this what happens when you don't keep score and everyone gets a trophy? People start thinking all opinions are equal?

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  11. Sure and I was not offended by it but I give the same lattitude to jones. He was caught up in seeing something he did njot like and reacted to it too. He has that right and he should feel safe to do it without having his career threatened for expressing his unpopular view.

    Yes his viewpoint goes against the grain of modern society but do we really want to build a world where people are afraid to express unpopular viewpoints? That scares me more than tolerating a homophobic view.
     
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  12. Ronnie Bass

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    I understand what it is, I'm just telling you there are people who are quick with the bigotry tag.
     
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  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Why not? All people are hypocrites.
     
  14. Vinny Fins

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    im not quick to label anyone a bigot.


    But the concerned parents who think explaining a 'man kissing another man' to their child is awful, but have no words to say against athletes drafted with RAPE OR MANSLAUGHTER convictions? You've told me everything I need to know about you.
     
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  15. Finfangirl

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    Again, that's my point he was caught up and made an egregious error in judgement. He has to stop and think about not only how he feels, but the consequences from the organization for whom he is representing when he does make those feeling known. He is fine to feel the way he does, but tell a friend, call your mama, text your buddies, don't put it on social media...

    That's my beef, I don't like social media for that reason, it's cowardly and allows people to be passive aggressive.
     
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  16. present company excluded but I agree for the rest of you :tongue2:
     
  17. keithjackson

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    It thought it was kinda gross, mostly the crying part, and I'm gay.

    But I think I understand the historical scope of what happened, and I'll remember it forever, and that's more important in the long run than some awkward feelings I had for a few minutes in the seventh round of the draft that I could've done something else during those few minutes since we didn't have any picks left.

    You can view your awkward feelings as more important than the advancement of a people towards equality, just like you can put a fat girl in your avatar, or equate homosexuality to incest like someone did earlier in this thread, and you can write post after post about the lengths in which you feel victimized, that's your right. But it makes you look selfish, more concerned with hate than love, and on the wrong side of history.
     
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  18. Stitches

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    More like anti-social media...amirite?
     
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  19. Two Tacos

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    Which has nothing to do with the situation here. Jones espoused just fine.


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  20. Shamboubou

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    I guess that is just where an a non-homosexual I look at the equality of it differently. To truely be equal it wouldn't have gotten the special attention that it recieved. I would have gotten the same attention that the person selected just before and just after him recieved and thats probably a commercial playing while he was getting drafted. I'm not saying that it wasn't monumental for those in the gay community, it truely was I've heard more about the draft from gay people I work with than ever before. The preception that is being put out there is that the NFL wouldn't allow homosexual football players until this year, when its really not true. There was no gaining of rights that wasn't there before, gay players have always had the right and ability to play in the NFL as an open homosexual.

    My last and only point that I would like to make to you is that to not agree with your lifestyle does not mean hate of any sort. I hope that you can understand that, its something that is being portrayed by the media that just isn't true. To not agree with somebody's choices and lifestyle is not hate in any form. I don't hate anybody, but I don't agree with everybody's choices either.

    I also want to tell you that I do understand that there is all kinds of ignorance out there that I'm sure you have experienced hate from which is extremely unfortunate and I'm sure difficult.
     
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  21. keithjackson

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    I agree, true equality would mean Sam gets drafted and nobody blinks. But we aren't there yet, heck I wish nobody blinked as much as anybody. But to get there, we need "the first one" and we need "this big deal" and we need this thread, so that when the second and third gay players get drafted next year there isn't such a big deal, and we don't have a "gay rights football thread", and in ten years when it's a non issue we can look back on today with some perspective and realize that these "uncomfortable feelings" we have today were part of our own learning process.

    Finally, I'm one of the lucky ones. Gay youths are the number one demographic at risk for committing suicide by a large margin. Watching Michael Sam this weekend, without a doubt, saved a few of those kids lives. And that alone can make me thankful for the big picture. Conversely, Don Jones is also a role model, so if I was 15 again and my fav special teams player on my fav team just tweeted something like that, it might've pushed me over the edge on the wrong day.
     
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  22. Finfangirl

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    Couldn't have said it any better, Thank you!
     
  23. Stringer Bell

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    Making statements that make other co-workers uncomfortable is harassment.

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  24. fin13

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    These suffering doctors, my sister in law moved to Wisconsin from Canada to make $800,000 instead of $350,000 in Toronto, I guess when you cross the border you became twice as smart.
    She's a radiologist, she thought the whole thing was a joke, she is back home now, in Europe they get paid $175,000 and they like it.
     
  25. unluckyluciano

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    fair enough.
     
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    Bull****, as Justice Roberts once said, the antidote to disagreeable speech is more speech, not repression of speech, if this is not obvious then one is not thinking
     
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  27. padre31

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    Sure, if one is a Eunuch, then by all means.
     
  28. 666Dog

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    I disagree. 100% of Christians are sinners. If you want to call that being hypocritical I understand. However, it also means that you don't understand Christianity. I don't know Pastor keith or RevRick, but I'm sure they'll admit to their "hypocrisy".
     
  29. cdz12250

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    Let me ask you, Pads. According to your values, is your freedom to say whatever comes into your mind more important than consideration for others? I'll bet my last quarter that it isn't. We're not discussing freedom here, and we're not discussing repression. We're discussing consideration and discretion.

    If a woman who is grossly fat walks down the street, I'm not going to comment on it, because of common courtesy. If a deeply autistic or Down's syndrome kid is walking down the street, I'm not going to say "******" to whomever I'm walking with. Even if that person turns around and calls me an a**hole, as the Chief Justice would have it, it's not as good as if I'd followed the rules of common sense and civilized behavior and kept my opinions to myself. Legal rights are one thing; civilized behavior is another. That tweet was mean-spirited. Nothing is going to change that; not even the First Amendment. And it's fine for a private employer not to want publicly mean-spirited people in its organization. It's not like they fired him. They counseled him.
     
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  30. 666Dog

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    Sure they have. If I tell you that it's gross I will be labeled a bigot. One of the first guys in this thread said that he agreed with what Don wrote and was labeled as such. Jones, according to some here, the Dolphins, and most of the media is being told he should "like it". If that's not the case why was he fined and suspended? Your analogy is off. Depending on which study you want to believe, 3% to 15% of people are gay. Which means, that on average, between 85 to 97 out of 100 people are straight. 85% to 97% of all blacks and hispanics kiss another gender than their own. In other words, it's not shocking to the majority of people to see a man and woman kiss...regardless of race. Seeing two men engage in the behavior that Sam and his boyfriend did is not too common in most of society.
     
  31. unluckyluciano

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    being labeled a bigot doesn't mean you have to like it. You are inferring things not there then trying to argue against it. And as far as we know historically, homosexuality has been around for a long time.
     
  32. daphins

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    As an American are you pissed about hide fine, ban, and them trying to force him to sell his team?
     
  33. vt_dolfan

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    Wait..encouraging his behavior? Lol..omg. The man is in LOVE..with his boyfriend. He just got drafted into the NFL. The range of emotions he must have been going through...I cant even imagine. And you say..encouraging his behavior..like...being Gay is somehow analagous to a child misbehaving.

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  34. vt_dolfan

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    Sterling is a slimy lizard..and has been for a long long time. Ask yerself how he ever got himself into this to begin with. I have zero issue with them tossing this pile of bile to the side

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  35. 666Dog

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    Jones is being labeled, fined, and suspended because he didn't like something. If he tweeted, "I love what Sam just did! He's brave!" Would he have been fined or suspended? Homosexuality has been around since man...most likely. Not sure why you brought that up.
     
  36. vt_dolfan

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    They have a conduct policy in place..that protects sexual preference. He went against a conduct policy he agreed to.

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  37. unluckyluciano

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    no. Jones is being fined and suspended because he hurt the business he worked for. And I didn't bring that up. You did when you said: Seeing two men engage in the behavior that Sam and his boyfriend did is not too common in most of society.
    It shouldn't be shocking as it has happened for years upon years. Which you acknowledge. Which means also if we go by your stats 3% of even every generation is a lot of people.
     
  38. daphins

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    Well technically he got himself into this by saying incredibly offensive things in private.

    Does expressing your beliefs in private constitute a 2 million dollar fine, lifetime ban from your organization, and the forced selling of an asset worth upwards of a billion dollars?


    Hate the guy, hate the NBA. But where do you draw the like with punishment?
     
  39. Fin D

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    No one took anyone's right to espouse their opinion. You guys have to stop making that up.

    Jones is free to voice his opinions. The Dolphins are free to reprimand him for hurting their brand. Jones is free to leave if he doesn't like the restrictions the Dolphins placed on his employment.
     
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  40. unluckyluciano

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    when he doesn't make millions from being in the public, he can say whatever the hell he wants.
     

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