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The Miami Dolphins are inept collectively at Social Media

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, May 10, 2014.

  1. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So anyone who supports the 1st Amendment is a liberal and conservatives do not support freedom of speech?
     
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  2. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    I share your distaste for conservative Christians who force their views on the rest of society, tell people how to live and and work to repress rights that they don't agree with.

    Do you share that distaste for progressives who force their views on the rest of society, tell people how to live and and work to repress rights that they don't agree with, or is it a one way street?
     
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  3. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    Classifying a man who got rich of of private business ventures as "public" is kind of a liberal use of the term don't you think? Has he run for office? Is he an official spokesman for a company? An actor?

    He's a partner in a business venture. He no more "public" than a holder of majority stock in any company.
     
  4. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    he's a partner in a business venture which thrives on fans. He is very public, in a business which thrives on publicity. The nba isn't a pharmaceutical company. Publicity is part of their appeal.
     
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  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I am not equating hypocrisy with sinning. Some Christians do try and are genuinely good people. I take them seriously.
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    This pile of bile is being tossed aside because he was illegally taped without his consent in his private residence. Does the ends justify the means? How would you like to be forced to sell your business because of something you said while being recorded without your consent while in your own home?
     
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  7. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    When tv showed the first black man and woman kiss on tv did it get this much reaction? Or when tv first showed the first inter-racial kiss?
     
  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I do not recall progressives telling me how to live, other than espousing a live and let live attitude, which is something I agree with.

    As for Christians, I believe all I said was since 90% of them IMO, are hypocrites, I do not take them seriously.
     
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  9. finwin

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    If they're hypocrites, then they can't be Christians because the bible clearly indicates that those who practice hypocrisy aren't really Christians at all.
     
  10. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    :lol: Well, that proves it then. :shifty:
     
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  11. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    Progressives are the opposite of conservative Christians. They tell people how to live and shout down anyone who doesn't agree with them. Any gun owner knows this

    http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

    They push their agendas to champion the rights they agree with, and limit those they take issue with. They're the same as conservative Christians. Neither is for freedom, both are for their ideologies, peoples rights be damned. Each claims the moral high ground and people eat their bull****. By all means criticize the far right, but be honest about it and hold the feet of progressives to the fire as well.

    This coming from a bike-commuting, granola eating, gun shooting, ACA-supporting independent.


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  12. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    You could apply that logic to any company. Every company promotes itself, advertises, and markets.

    The guy invested in a sports team, he didn't write a memoir and run for public office. I don't know 90% of the owners in the NBA...he'll, I only know a handful of NFL owners.

    The guys an ******* in my eyes, but *******s still have rights.


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  13. BevoPhin

    BevoPhin Well-Known Member

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    Is 90% the result of research or just a random number chosen?
     
  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Well, we are somewhat the same then. I don't commute, but do like bike riding. I like granola, especially Cascadian Farms organic brand. Learned to shoot when I was 6. Though ain't done much lately. I do not need the ACA because I have excellent coverage through my union and former employer, but am glad to see more people being able to get affordable coverage. Friend of mine worked over 30 years at Wah Chang, and two years or so after he retired, his wife was getting dropped off his insurance just because of the way things were set up there, and even with her preexisting conditions they were able to get some affordable coverage for her through the ACA. BTW, I think I've seen you mention liking the Ducks quite a lot too?

    As for progressives, I guess I have been lucky because I've not had any try to shove their beliefs on me, or shun me because I did not agree with them. Not that I am aware of anyway.
     
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  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    IMO = my opinion. An approximation based on those I've interacted with, met, talked with, known, been friends with, etc.
     
  16. daphins

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    I've been irritated with both parties for some time. I grew up in the Bible Belt and was disgusted with what I saw. Became more liberal and thought I was a progressive until I started seeing them doing the exact same things to Christians that they hated Christians doing to them. I was recently approached to sign for support to vote on same-sex couples in Oregon. I signed it and asked if they were going to ask for signatures to support gun rights. The guy was obviously disgusted with the question. I simply pointed out that while I'm not gay, I support the rights of everyone to be marry. I support the rights of all individuals, not just those that benefit me, and I referenced him to Ginny Burdicks draconian anti-gun bill that supported gun limits, confiscation, and unreasonable search and seizures.

    Of course it didn't jive with his narrative, so I'm sure it didn't do any good, but whatever. That same conduct has been indicative of many of the progressives that I've me. It's rage ends justify the means point you made earlier.

    Anyway, I have my own insurance too, but I've been happy to see friends and family gain access to healthcare through the ACA. It's an imperfect law and I want it fixed (both sides are petty, could solve a lot of problems if they'd both drop the partisanship and work together).

    And yes, Ducks and Thorns season ticket holder. Hoping my number comes up for the timbers at some point soon :)


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  17. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Social Media = MMORPG (Massive Multi-player Online Role Playing Game)

    VAST amounts of people play a role on social media they wouldn't dare play in a real life social setting.
     
  18. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    [video]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/12/stephen_a_smith_on_michael_sam_kiss_dangerous_to_f ine_people_for_their_opinion.html#ooid=Q5bmN2bTqCK dKNyjawrjEs1a5w8Q4_VD[/video]

    Nailed it..
     
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  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Once you own a professional sports team, you are public. In fact, that is one of the benefits of owning a sports team.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Not really nailing it. It more ignores the reality of the situation and puts that instance in a vacuum.

    Heck, for all we know the Dolphins told all their players that next person who does an embarrassing tweet gets a fine.
     
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  21. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    And excused from team activities until they take undergo "sensitivity training"?

    It's possible.. It's also possible that a small aircraft falls from the sky, tears through your house and lays waste to everything except the bed in which you sleep tonight. Probable? Naa..
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    You don't think it is probable that the Dolphins sent out an e-mail to their employees not to embarrass them again?

    My company sends out e-mails like that for FAR less. I have known people to get fired for less.

    While I do agree that the punishment is highly excessive, it isn't surprising due to the circumstances surrounding the situation. If this happened last year, I doubt he would even be fined.
     
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  23. OkiePhin

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    Maybe, but an email like that would be very vauge. Dont you think? "Don't embarrass us" is the message? I can see one consisting of punishment of substance abuse, domestic violence, arrestable offenses etc.. If they included in the memo that one can not say or express shock of something they see on T.V. I dont know. Highly doubt it.

    What if he made the same tweet because a victoria secrets commercial aired during intermission or of a commercial advertising the show sister wives? I bet my salary he doesn't get punished. I guess it's fine until an "open" polygamist gets drafted right? Where do you draw the line?

    Edit: You agree of the point I (and Steven Smith) was making. The punishment was highly excessive. That's all I'm saying.
     
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  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I agree that it is excessive. I understand why it is.

    Edit: Also, of course he doesn't, it wouldn't embarrass the team. Also, Pouncey's tweet had nothing to do with any of those things.
     
  25. OkiePhin

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    It might embarrass the team if he tweeted his shock of public display of affection between a plural family during the draft (if hypothetically thats what was shown on the commercial). We all have different opinions. Who decides if it's embarrassing or not? Ross? If I'm the team owner I'm not embarrassed by his tweets over the weekend.

    Another thing to consider, maybe Jones has never been exposed to homosexuality before. Maybe he was honestly taken back by what he saw. When I was in the Army there was a guy who had never seen a black person before. It was creepy when he just stared at black soldiers and the questions he asked were totally off the wall but once he explained that he grew up in some back woods podunk town everyone understood his reaction to other cultures.

    Wonder what people would say if Johnny Manziel grabbed his sister and made out with her when he got drafted and if the response would be to punish anyone who expressed shock by it.
     
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  26. vt_dolfan

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    But what exactly were they supposed to do. The over all majority of the players in the NBA are black. What about the players for the Clippers. Did you expect them to play for him? Can you imagine the ramifications if they had done nothing?

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  27. EverFin

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    I always have to laugh when I compare the language the player uses in his official apology and the language he used in his social media messages...
     
  28. BevoPhin

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    Just messing with you. I just always point out when someone uses a percentage while guessing.

    And that sucks. It seems almost every Christian youve met is a douche. Maybe its just the crowd youre around? Whether youre theist, atheist, or agnostic, acting like an ******* while trying to prove the other person is wrong is only going to reach an impasse and be an unproductive conversation. Richard Dawkins comes to mind. And the Christian Coalition. And the people calling each other bigots in here. Most Christian friends and family of mine have great family values and dont pass judgement on others whatsoever(at least aloud), and dont spend time trying to sway their beliefs. But unfortunately, there are the extremists on all sides who are actually hurting their cause, and probably not genuinely invested into what theyre arguing, but rather like to hear themselves ***** and moan.
     
  29. Fin D

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    You do realize the Dolphins did not decide that was an embarrassing tweet, right? They weren't sitting around and monitoring every player's Twitter, saw the tweet and sounded the insensitivity alarm!

    No, the Tweet was brought to their attention by the public and the media because people (ie customers) were already upset by it, forcing the Dolphins to act.

    Say you and your wife went to the grocery store. While bagging your groceries, the bag boy, starts insulting your wife. Just starts calling her fat, old, ugly (I'm not in anyway suggesting your wife is any of those things, this is just a hypothetical). You're going to either kick his *** or speak to his manager or both. You're going to do that and not give one second's thought about his freedom of speech. This is no different.
     
  30. BevoPhin

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    they might have a pr guy monitoring all tweets. And don jones didn't call him any specific names so the bagger analogy doesn't work.
     
  31. Fin D

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    The analogy works just fine, because it illustrates that Jones, like the bagger, is insulting customers and the customers want the employee disciplined for exercising their free speech.

    Point being, I think if we're being honest (which the side in favor of Jones is not) we can all think of things that an employee could say and we'd want them reprimanded.

    Everyone mad at the Dolphins for their actions against Jones (who released a statement btw, apologizing profusely) are only mad because they agree that two men kissing is disgusting. They are taking that disgust and wrapping it in a completely counter intuitive argument about freedom of speech, because its the only argument they can make that doesn't make them sound like petty bigots.

    Jones has the right to make those statements. Jones has the right to follow or not follow the rules the team has set down for conduct. He does not have the right to violate his contract with impunity. No one does. It is the point of contracts. Contracts are meant to be an agreement between two or more parties that limit rights in exchange for something else.

    I don't like being told to what to do by my boss, so I'm self employed. I don't like being told what to do with my home, so i don't belong to an HOA. If Jones doesn't want the Dolphins to tell him what to do with Twitter he has the right to not work for them.
     
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    If you are a highly paid representative of a company you better know what topic is sensitive. The messages from Jones and Pouncey are plain and simple stupid. The one of Jones is unacceptable and it seems Pouncey is not able to understand what his behavior last year caused for our franchise. On the field Pouncey ist a great center (despite his not completely fixed bad habit to tip the snap) but if he continues to act foolish I'm loosing patience. Maybe then it's time for a change. And one thing is for sure: Messages like this have nothing to do with freedom of speech (ask the boss in your company)!
     
  33. Two Tacos

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    Let me help you here. Incest is not the same as homosexuality. Saying or suggesting it's the same to you is a prime example of not all opinions being equal. Equating the two is incredibly offensive. Edit: so no, the reaction to that tweet wouldn't be the same.

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  34. Shamboubou

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    Love is Love
     
  35. Two Tacos

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    Ignorance is silly and boring. Don't be silly and boring. Surely you can do some critical thinking?

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  36. Shamboubou

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    The two things that give incest a negative representation are religious beliefs and previous societal standards right? Many cultures around the world practice incest like the Amish and African tribes. They may find your distaste for their sexual practices offensive and disrespectful.
     
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  37. Larryfinfan

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    There are a gazillion jobs out there that the boss doesn't give a hoot what you say on twitter or myspace, facebook or intsabook (to coin a BB phrase). There are some that are sensitive to the potential PR hit a company might take. It IS most certainly about freedom of speech, however, in that same course one must decide if his/her right to speak their minds freely is worth the consequences of finding another job, which every employer has that right as well.

    That said, this is getting ridiculous. If a man doesn't believe/like or feels threatened by another's sexual orientation why shouldn't he have that right to say he doesn't like it ?? I could care as little about whether Don Jones and Pouncey are concerned about a gay man in the locker room than whether they like the socks another player wears...It has nothing to do with the job they are paid to do. If they wish to proclaim their beliefs to everyone who want's to listen, so be it. neither guy said they wouldn't work with or have that other person as a team mate (as if they really had a choice). What about the rights of the person who is anti-gay ?? Why should that person have to succumb to the preaching of those who want only to be 'politically correct' ??

    Tell me the truth, how many of us would NOT watch a football game because one of the player is gay?? Not many...a few, but not many.

    The gay community wants the freedom of ridicule and unfairness because of their beliefs, why is it not ok for someone who believes something different to express his opinion without unfairness of losing his job ??
     
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  38. Two Tacos

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    Okay? I better not go to Africa and play for a tribal sports team and tweet about how disgusting I find it then...

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  39. Galant

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    Erm, and biology - inbreeding not being a good thing.
     
  40. Fin D

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    Please stop saying talking about rights. No one's rights were infringed by the Dolphins punishing Jones.

    Because no one's rights were violated this is absolutely NOT about freedom of speech. If Jones has the right to be voice his disgust at homosexuals, then we have th right to voice our disgust at his disgust. The Dolphins have the right to penalize him for the comments per the contract he freely and willingly signed.
     
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