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The Miami Dolphins are inept collectively at Social Media

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, May 10, 2014.

  1. Fin D

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    It is the logical conclusion of his argument.

    The facts are the dolphins and Jones both willfully entered into a contract with parameters in place that allow the Dolphins to reprimand Jones for things like posting what he did. If people are going to ***** that this situation (or the Sterling one) is wrong then they have to rectify that with the concept of contracts and employee/franchisee responsibilities and the consequences of not fulfilling those responsibilities.


    The only other possible reason to argue against the Dolphins; actions is because one is anti-gay.


    No other options.
     
  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Smoked oysters + pineapple = best pizza ever!!!!!
     
  3. Stringer Bell

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    Weird nobody has expressed this shock until two men did the kissing.

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  4. Mr772

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    Some people only speak in spinster I guess, put words in your mouth, have the correct party answer for everything up and down the line single-sided single-minded, are not in touch with reality, only interested in progressing the establishment doctrine. This after all is what state run school systems and most colleges are supposed to be producing right?
     
  5. daphins

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    Oh it's absolutely that clear cut.

    It's not like there's an entire subsection of law practice call contract law that's dedicate to discerning the legality, enforcement, or applicability of contracts.

    There are obviously no other options.
     
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  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am surprised by how good smoked oysters are on pizza. I generally got smoked oysters and jalapenos
     
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  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Except incest is illegal. Well maybe everywhere but Oklahoma. :shifty:
     
  8. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Really what this comes down to is the Miami Dolphins right as a private entity (and by extention the NFL's right as a private entity) to dissociate themselves and censure their employees for conduct that they feel hurts their brand.

    I mean people like to couch this issue in terms of "freedom" but what you're really talking about is infringing upon a private entity's right to enforce a code of conduct. That itself is an infringement upon freedom.

    I'm not saying let's not ever do that. We should do that. There are some "freedoms" that infringe upon other freedoms and it becomes necessary to mediate and regulate them. But in this case we're going to regulate a private entity's ability to dissociate itself from bigotry? I don't think that's a high enough priority to warrant the infringement upon the private entity's own freedom.

    Ultimately the Miami Dolphins as a private entity don't want their private brand to be imbrued by bigoted comments made in public by their employees, and so they're enforcing a code of conduct to that effect. That should be their right as a private entity.
     
  9. Is there a requirement to accept homosexuality if you accept hetrosexuality?
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Only if you are asexual
     
  11. Stringer Bell

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    This goes beyond simply hurting the brand. It is about sexual harassment. The comments Don Jones made are textbook examples of sexual harassment. Michael Sam is entitled by law to a work environment that doesn't make him uncomfortable because of his sexual orientation. Don Jones is his co-worker, which means he can't say things that make him uncomfortable.

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  12. OkiePhin

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    Maybe if it was on Logo no one would have been shocked and in case you didn't watch it, it was more than a quick smooch. If Clowney cried for 10 min while his wife caressed him and rubbed on him while they kissed multiple times then dove into a cake smearing frenzy with one another what do you think the reaction would be. The whole display was puh-the-tic.. Not to mention how many times it was re-run and the headliner of every sports channel and website. Not the fact he got drafted mind you... The embrace..
     
  13. Fin D

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    Yes, its absolutely that clear cut.

    Let's stop pretending this is the first time an athlete has gotten in trouble for something he's done away from the team or saying something stupid on social media.

    The only reason the punishment is an issue is because his comments were anti-gay. None of you would be defending him if his comments were anti-American, anti-gun, antisemitic, etc.
     
  14. The exact same thing can be said about Sam. It was not an involuntary decision to put the spot light on himself as the first openly gay player in the draft.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Really?
     
  16. Stringer Bell

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    Michael Sam should not have to have a spotlight on him simply because of his sexual orientation.

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  17. My point exactly. My patience have grown thin of the selective moral outrage and the double standards involved. Treat everyone the same.
     
  18. Not arguing if it should or should not, it is the reality.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    That would be true except the law does not recognize them as actual coworkers.
     
  20. Stringer Bell

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    It's is, but his employer is required to do everything they can to prevent it. Espn isn't required to create his work environment, but the NFL is. They can't let Don Jones' actions go unpunished.

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  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I look forward to you inviting a serial killer into your home for dinner and murder.
     
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  22. OkiePhin

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    I dont think Jones comment was anti gay. It was more about having to endure a 10 min love fest during the draft. It was way over the top.
     
  23. Two Tacos

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    Nope.

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  24. Your argument reminds me of the one Gore used to push for censoring music back in the 90's
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    How in blazes is legal censure to be compared with private censure?
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    What about Nancy Regan censoring music back in the 80's?
     
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  27. Fin D

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    I think the bigger issue that no one is talking about is that apparently Jones was forced to watch the TV for 10 minutes. Who did this to him? Were they armed? Were they threatening his family?
     
  28. Stringer Bell

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    To a certain degree they are. If an outside contractor comes to my company and harasses an employee of mine, I'm responsible for that, not the contractors organization.

    I think you could argue both sides from a legal standpoint, but also keep in mind that Don Jones may end up on the same team as Sam at some point. You could also have a situation where a gay player is already playing with Jones, and therefore Jones's comments are making him uncomfortable.

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  29. Go after the sponsors too.
     
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  30. keithjackson

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    Another interesting point, it is legal in Missouri to fire Michael Sam just for being gay; it is actually still legal in 29 states to fire an employee solely for being gay. The employment non-discrimination act (ENDA) has been introduced into ten congresses since 1994 and has never been passed. In 2013 it was passed by the senate, but is now awaiting a vote in the house. What do you think will happen?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act

    Things aren't equal. I'm reading a lot of "we shouldn't have to make a big deal because we're all equal " and I wonder those sentiments translate to "we should do what's necessary over the next few years to make it equal so that we don't have to make a big deal".
     
  31. Sheltering your kids really is not the point. I remember when I first moved to the Tampa area my son was 10 and I took him to the Renasiance festival as I had done every year when we lived in Maryland. I was really shocked by the openly gay humor and inuendos by the performers at the Tampa show. I had no problem with the over the top Gayness of it all but I did have a problem with being ambushed by it. It was not advertised as a gay event and it should of been. It is my responsibility to chose what my kid is introduced to and how its done and they violated that process.

    Okie has a fair point that when watching the draft you do not expect to see open displays of intamancy and he is well within his right to complain that it was inappropiate and usurped his parental authority by not advertising it ahead of time.
     
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  32. OkiePhin

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    Yeah because I should have full expectation of seeing two humans interact that way during a sporting event. Not like we were watching the play girl channel.
     
  33. What about it?
     
  34. Fin D

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    I notice how much you were *****ing about straight draft picks kissing their girlfriends. regardless, tell me again the exact details involved with forcing a pro football player to watch something....did they use force or threat of force? Did they employ psychological techniques to force him?
     
  35. Fin D

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    Well for one thing, was it less or more of an infringement of rights as recent conservatives saying a religious group shouldn't be allowed to build a religious center near Ground Zero?
     
  36. Stringer Bell

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    Take it a step further. Look at how much Ryan Tannehill's wife is objectified on this forum. Replace Sam and his boyfriend with the Tannehills and this forum melts down with approval.


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  37. daphins

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    Sure, when you stop pretending that the application of laws and contracts are as black and white as you apply them.

    There is room for discussion about both the legality and morality of censuring people.

    Saying "open and closed case, there is a contract and anyone who argues against it is either too stupid to understand, or anti-gay" is a petty attempt to shut down people who's opinion you don't agree with, and completely ignores the very true reality of legal contracts and disputes.
     
  38. MrClean

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    Some of those things I agree with, some I do not. Some I would not call progressive.

    Can you give me a specific example of someone trying to prevent you from eating whatever food you want? There is nothing wrong with mandatory GMO labeling, so people can make an informed decision with what they eat. Even if we ever go get mandatory labeling, like they have in the entire EU, there will be plenty of GMO foods, high fructose corn syrup, and calorie free soft drinks loaded with cancer causing aspartame for you to continue to enjoy. So don't tell me anyone is preventing you from eating whatever crap you want. If warning people of the dangers of certain foods and drinks is something you don't believe in, or don't want to hear, so you can keep living in denial about their effects on your health, then that would make you regressive. If supporting whatever it takes for there to be a well informed public is being progressive, then hell ******* yeah, I AM PROGRESSIVE myself

    I guess since you are for the continued use of fossil fuels, that you do not believe in climate change/global warming. I guess you choose to live in denial in this regard too, and believe the 2% of scientists who are funded by big oil and their ilk and say global warming is hoax. Shame on those nasty "progressives" who advocate and push for alternative and renewable energy sources.

    I don't know of anyone preventing you from continuing to suck on those god damned cancer sticks, just as long as you don't do it where your noxious fumes negatively effect others. I suppose you think 2nd hand smoke does not cause disease. Hell, if you'd been an adult in the 1950s I guess you would have believed those cigarette ads with people like Reagan and John Wayne hawking their favorite brands while saying their brand is best because it has the most vitamins. Or ads saying more doctors prefer Camels (or whichever) than any other brand. It was progressives who pushed for warning labels on cigarettes and got the commercials removed from TV. I suppose you think that was a terrible thing to do. Bad bad progressives.

    I honestly do not know about any church that has been forced to contribute funding to an abortion clinic. Can you share that info with me?

    There was a bakery in Portland that refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. I do not know that they were ever forced to against their will. Some people expressed their disapproval of the bakery's stance, but isn't that their right too?

    As for Donald Sterling getting banned from the NBA I do not necessarily agree that the person making that decision can be labeled a progressive for doing so.
     
  39. Except its done selectivily and thats the problem I have with it. Pouncey is not facing the same punishment as Jones. The NFL is inconsistent in its fines and suspensions and a case can be made by the players that they are being treated unfairly.

    Now I do agree with you that if a player signed a contract that says the NFL can fine you for any reason it wants without just cause and it can hold you to different standards than your team mates, well than yeah the team can do whatever it wants, but I doubt anybody signs a contract that controlling.
     

  40. What actions?
     

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