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  1. ckparrothead

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    Michael Sam hasn't even signed a contract yet. They're not coworkers.
     

  2. Only if he is gay cause then my job would depend on it :tongue2:
     
  3. Im talking in terms of how she justified it not the legal aspect. FFG said what if a gay kid killed himself because of what Jones said and they use to say kids were killing themselves from the messages in music.
     
  4. MrClean

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    Except none of those 3 are politically liberal in any way. Just to say they are does not make it so. Ted Cruz? Alan Keys? Rand Paul? Tell me how they are liberal. They are not liberal on social issues. Not liberal on fiscal issues. As with the vast majority of Republicans they are shills for the Corporate Elite and scum like the Koch brothers who control this country. I ain't saying Democrats are perfect. Not even close. However the middle class and poor do get a few crumbs from the Dems sometimes. The Republicans these days do absolutely nothing ever with the best interests of the poor and the middle class in mind. Cruz, Keys and Paul care not one wit about what they can do to help the common man.
     
  5. ckparrothead

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    What you call "inconsistency" could also be described as the punishment being appropriate relative to the offense. Using your logic one could easily argue that our courts are inconsistent because they let a speeder go with a citation and a fine, but executed a multiple murderer. They both broke the rules. It's inconsistent to give them different punishments.

    NFL contracts do indeed submit them to the authority of the NFL's conduct policies, allowing both the league and the individual teams to censure and enforce their codes of conduct as they see fit within certain parameters described by the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
     
  6. OkiePhin

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    Per usual you ignore the point. If a man steps in front of you in the parking lot, opens his trench coat and flashes you, you have a right to be offended. If you were at a male review you expect to see it. The NFL draft isn't the appropriate medium to broadcast a gay couples 10 min love fest in my opinion. I had zero expectation of seeing that based on the normal programming. Sure I can turn the channel but whats done is done. Its like the wardrobe malfunction Janet Jackson had during the super bowl. You cant say hey just turn your head when Janet Jackson reveals her boob. There was no expectation of seeing that.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    gay kids are actually leaving messages that support their theory, while the music was either taking words out of context (Ozzie's anti-suicide song) or playing the record backwards.
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Actually, this would be you not paying attention to the draft coverage. If they have showed nothing but straight couple love fests, why wouldn't they then show a gay couple's love fest?
     
  9. MrClean

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    Sometimes, I've added jalapenos to the smoked oysters and pineapple. I think the pineapple on pizza may have started as a west coast thing. We've had it since the late 60s/early 70s. In the mid 70s when I was stationed in Wyoming, I tried to order a Canadian bacon and pineapple pizza and they looked at me like they thought I was joking around. Honestly they'd never heard of it, in the 2nd biggest city in the state. I seem to recall there was no pineapple offered on pizza in San Antonio Texas in the same basic time frame.
     
  10. OkiePhin

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    I didn't see any 10 min love fest with crying, coddling and cake smearing anywhere else. He smeared cake on his boyfriends face and licked it off. Please show me what other draftee acted in such a distasteful way? I don't even see that at weddings but at the NFL draft?
     
  11. jdang307

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    Was going to type a response and realized this isn't POFO.
     
  12. keithjackson

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    I googled the code of NFL conduct policy that all players receive and found the following nuggets, here are some applicable highlights, the link is below for the full text:


    Standard of Conduct:
    While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful.
    Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances:

    * violent or threatening behavior among employees, whether in or outside the workplace;
    • Conduct that imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person; and
    • Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

    Evaluation, Counseling and Treatment:
    Apart from any disciplinary action, persons arrested, charged or otherwise appearing to have engaged in conduct prohibited under this policy generally will be required to undergo a formal clinical evaluation. Based on the results of that evaluation, the person may be encouraged or required to participate in an education program, counseling or other treatment deemed appropriate by health professionals. The evaluation and any resulting counseling or treatment are designed to provide assistance and are not considered discipline; however, the failure to comply with this portion of the Policy shall itself constitute a separate and independent basis for discipline.

    Discipline may take the form of fines, suspension, or banishment from the League and may include a probationary period and conditions that must be satisfied prior to or following reinstatement. The specifics of the disciplinary response will be based on the nature of the incident, the actual or threatened risk to the participant and others, any prior or additional misconduct (whether or not criminal charges were filed), and other relevant factors.

    http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/personal-conduct-policy.pdf
     
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  13. daphins

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    I believe the bakery lost. But I can't find the most recent articles.

    http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2014/01...-by-denying-them-a-cake-for-same-sex-wedding/
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I saw a lot of love fests with a lot of kissing and hugging. I wasn't timing them.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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  16. Fin D

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    Pay attention.....

    The NFL and the teams have been punishing players for saying stupid things for quite awhile. None of you ever complained before.....until someone got in trouble for anti-gay remarks. Now the cavalry comes out when they were otherwise silent.

    That's why this is cut and dry.
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I haven't liked pineapple on pizza, however I haven't tried it in a while. Maybe my tastes have changed.

    Well it is known as Hawaiian pizza.

    Less interesting side note, I work with a guy from New Zealand who is surprised by our love of peanut butter and chocolate.
     
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  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    As long as the good for nothing stinking Republican scum control the House, hell will freeze over before they'll pass ENDA.
     
  19. OkiePhin

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    Any smearing of cake on a lovers face and licking it off?
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    What do you have against cake?
     
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  21. OkiePhin

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    Anti gay remarks? More like wtf is this the playgirl channel remark..
     
  22. OkiePhin

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    You dodging the question?
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    To what keithjackson says it's true that homosexuals are not a protected class at the federal level. However there are piecemeal laws in many states, cities and counties making it illegal to discriminate based on sexuality.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Love fest, is a love fest, is a love fest.

    I could see if he pulled his dick out and started to suck it.
     
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    OK you got me. I skip the ham and cheese.
     
  26. OkiePhin

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    Everyone has their standard. I didn't see any other draftee act in the same way. Give mom a peck on the cheek or the gf (or bf) a quick smooch. No problem.. What Sam did was way over the top. Nothing but drama..
     
  27. MrClean

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    I have no sympathy for the owners of that bakery. Being Christian does not support being anti-gay in of itself. Some who are bigots will twist things to use being a Christian as an excuse to be a bigot. They quote verses in the book of Leviticus as their reasoning, yet choose to ignore all the other equally ridiculous laws in Leviticus. I do not know of any direct quote of Christ in the bible that says being homosexual is an abomination or some type of whole other level of sin for all the bigoted Christians to justifiably attack. Gandhi said it best: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Drama?
     
  29. Stringer Bell

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    Making his statement.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
  30. MrClean

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    I have totally no problem with the initial kiss and hug by Sam and his boyfriend. Did not offend me at all. But the cake smearing and licking was over the top and I'd have felt that way even if it had been Blake Bortles and his totally hot girlfriend doing it. However, I also think Don Jones was dumb dumb dumb for expressing his distaste for the incident all over social media. Like I said earlier, when I seen it, I just rolled my eyes, and moved on. No desire to broadcast my opinion all over the twitterverse, Facebook, or whatever. Don Jones' action reminds of a cartoon photo from years ago of a grizzled old cowboy with the caption, "I know my opinions ain't worth much, but I just can't help expressing them."
     
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  31. http://www.consumerfreedom.com/issues/food-police/

    I don't mind people advocating for the use of alternative energy sources. Stop trying to force me to use your ineffienct forms of energy creation because of something you believe but can prove. You can not prove that using fossil fuels is effecting climate change in any significant way. I'm not going to argue with you if climate change is real or not because its a waste of time. What I will tell you is that I have a fundamentally different approach to solving the worlds energy puzzle. Energy = work Keep energy cheap and abundant and more work gets done and you get to the solution of the puzzle faster. I have no issue with people experimenting with alternative energy but I do have a problem with people making fossil fuels costs artifically high to subsidize those alternatives and create the illusion that alternatives are more viable than they currently are.

    1. There is no proof that 2nd handsmoke is as harmful as claimed.
    2. If your not interested in forcing people to stop then remove the ridiculously high sin tax on them so that anyone who chooses to smoke can afford too.
    3. Let them advertise on TV like they do with the anti-smoking ads

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012...s_institutions_to_pay_for_abortion_drugs.html


    http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater-sex-weddings/story?id=21136505

    Progressives are the majority of the ones pushing it.



    Modern day progressives are pushing us toward a totalitarian style government. They are convinced not only that they are right but that their opinions are more important than everyone elses. Your not allowed to disagree with them and if you do they behave vindictively toward you. They do not know how to agree to disagree with people who do not share their views. They want others to be tolerant and accepting of them but show no compassion or empathy for anyone they disagree with. That is what I mean when I use the phrase " Selective moral outrage"

    They do not want to build a society where everyone works within a system that works the same for everyone. They want to pick and chose who wins and who loses and they want that system to hurt those they disagree with and reward those they like. I do not share that mindset. I want to live in a system that works the same for everyone. I want the freedom to live my life as I see fit as long as I follow the law and I understand to have that freedom I have to allow others to have it too. That means some people are going to do or say things I do not agree with and I have tolerate them just like they have to tolerate the crap about me that they dont like. We dont need to be freinds we just need to tolerate that each us has our own space to live.
     
  32. invid

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    This whopper needs moved into the POFO if you ask me, its not really about Don't Jones' idiocy anymore.
     
  33. I am sure you have a better understanding of NFL contracts and defer to you as a more informed opinion than I have on that. My argument was never that the NFL did not have a right to punish Jones it has been that they are inconsistent with who they go after and how severe they are.

    As an example if a guy tackles a guy too hard he can get a fine thats different than a similiar tackle by another player. One guy gets suspended the other does not, etc.... They pick and choose how hard they come down on players. It appears as if they like you they go easier on you then if they do not like you.
     
  34. Protected from not being liked by everyone?
     
  35. daphins

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    I agree with much of the above. I'm all for freedoms of speech, but refusal of service is a line that I personally don like to see crossed. One has to remember that this cuts both ways though. Specifically in the case of the Westboro Baptist church a few years ago when they got a flat tire and were reused service by lots of mechanic shops. Technically they could claim to be discriminated against for their religious views (regardless of how disguising they are).

    I think a more appropriate analogy would be that pantry that was/is opening up in Sellwood. Basically (I stayed away from the controversy as I hate people getting all rules up against this stuff) a woman was opening a pantry in Sellwood for her family farm. Someone dug into her Facebook and found a comment she made that was anti-gay marriage.

    The result was an onslaught of people raving, articles written against her and her beliefs, and people downright clamoring to run her out of town.

    Basically two things are happening here. None of it illegal, but all of it socially wrong in my opinion.

    1. She expressed her views (stupidly) on Facebook. She did not however refuse service to, des ruminate against, or advocate for the demeaning of any human beings. She outright said gays were welcome at her store and she'd serve anyone who walked in the door.

    2. The public (who obviously disagrees with her statement) is hellbent on running her out of town. All because she doesn't approve of gay marriage. They look beyond the benefits of her soon business, and are treating her as if she doesn't have the right to breathe the same air.

    Of course people have a right to their opinion and speak against hers, but the backlash is so strong that it's akin to driving people's views into a closet. Despite doing nothing wrong, shes being bullied out of a business venture.

    People have a "right" to do it, but silencing people who disagree with your personal beliefs is IMO wrong. It's no different than conservative Christians running business out of town that they don't agree with, shutting down bars, etc. In this case, gay rights supporters (of which I'm one, though I don't support their actions here) are acting with intolerance that exceeds hers.

    FWIW another delicatessen owner made a comment akin to "freedom is dead in Portland if people can't express their views without fear of reprisals like this"....guess how the mob responded to that...
     
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  36. MrClean

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    Good info. Some I agree with and some I don't. I will say, based on the comments in your first quote here, Michael Jacobson is a blithering idiot who knows little about nutrition and health. Salt is the 2nd most important thing we can consume to sustain life, after water. He and that NY gov can envision all they want, but I doubt those proposals will come to pass. That link refers to them as activists not progressives. That is not the same thing to me. Sure, excess salt is dangerous, but many essential nutrients are dangerous in excess. All salts are not equal either. Something like Himalayan pink salt is very good for you and not the same thing as the white iodized Morton salt that comes in the round blue cannister shaped container. I'd only use to make a salt water mouth rinse for use after oil pulling. Not to go in my gut. I'll often put a half tsp of Himalayan pink with a quarter tsp of potassium in a glass of lemon water first thing in the morning.

    The scientists who tell us that climate change and global warming are real, are attributing it at least partially to the burning of fossil fuels. You say other forms of energy, like solar and wind I guess, are inefficient. That is not true. They are renewable and since they are the multinational corporations that control this planet do not see them as a way to continually sell you something every month like they do with gas, coal, etc. I do not believe the high prices are that way primarily to fund research into alternative fuels. Shell, Exxon, Chevron, etc, have no interest in furthering development of renewable energy.

    There has been studies that show 2nd hand smoke is unhealthy. That is pretty much no longer even open to debate.

    The owners in the NBA who want Sterling gone are hardly politically progressives. They are most likely right wing conservatives like most billionaires. It seems to me that you like to attach the word 'progressive' to anyone who champions a cause that you do not believe in. Maybe you believe in no causes. Just maintain the status quo.
     
  37. Finfangirl

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    You do realize gay youth are the highest risk for suicide? It was a legitimate comparison.
     
  38. unluckyluciano

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    fossil fuels are highly inefficient. That is fact. The efficiency you refer to is infrastructure. Alternative energy is way more efficient than fossil fuels.
     
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  39. Finfangirl

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    What Sam did was fine, in the privacy of his own home, but espn choose to air it. I don't think he was scripting for the cameras, he was sharing a life changing moment with his significant other. And just because you find it to be disgusting, doesn't mean he can't do it. He didn't choose to do it on tv, espn chose to film it. You and others could see where espn was going with it, yet you stayed glued to the screen. You could have changed the channel or went to the fridge, but you watched and formed an opinion and so did someone who works for the dolphins, and then he wrongly shared his opinion with the world. Why is it wrong for him to share an opinion, because he works for an organization that forbids him to make gestures on social media that come off as homophobic, hateful, stupid, and thoughtless. There really is not more to it.
     
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