Baldy Dinger boldly predicts Ryan Tannehill to the probowl and Lazor is a "Star"

was it bald?

 

is Jenn Sterger really a news girl though?

 

Does the ball move quicker running or throwing? Throwing for the 1st down and coming back to that initial progression is the answer, not running. That's how you get injured. Just cause you can do something it doesn't mean it's a good idea. Getting into a better offensive system will help him more then running

 

In addition to the pass protection, Tannehill performance was hampered by losing 2 top targets during camp (Keller & and Binns) plus Lamar Miller's inability to hold on to the ball during key 3rd down situations. Brady didn't look too good when he was missing his inside targets at the beginning of the season. Likewise, the Dolphins offensive performance was too often determined by a defense's ability to cover WRs.

Missing from the criticism of Wallace missing off-season throwing sessions with Tannehill was who was there. If Tannehill can improve his stats to TEs and backs, then his overall performance could improve considerably.

As for his feet, I would like to see more roll-outs and Tannehill trying to pick up 5-10 yards before going out-of-bounds. His ball control is not good enough to risk middle of the field running. His feet should set up plays and I hope to see the Packers play when Vontae was beat deep. Rodgers rolled right before beginning a deep drop and hitting Jennings after a double move.

 

I agree with this bolded part. I have learned not to be too optimistic with this owner and coach. Lazor will not have an impact on RT throwing to Wallace or taking sacks.

 

And there were other times he was just plain late. Everyone including the coaches have to improve. Nothing to see here.

 

Philip Rivers has put up Brees level numbers and he has no knees. Sure if you can give me Brady/Manning with Wilson/Kaepernik athleticism that'd be the greatest prototype ever. But a great passer with good pocket presence will be good enough for me.

 

Can't you say the same about Peyton Manning who has a similar playoff record to Rivers? Rivers has made it to the AFCCG with Norv Turner as his head coach. That's like winning 5 super bowls.

 

You take Russell over Drew Brees?

 

They both have losing records, Rivers slightly worse (4-5 vs. 11-12). The one year Peyton wins the super bowl, it's off the back of his defense where they kick 5 field goals against Balt to win. I'll still take Rivers above Wilson for now, until Wilson shows me what he can do from the pocket. And I love Wilson as a player, one of my favorites. Almost 70% accuracy, with a lower INT rate, both while being asked to pass much more. And SD's pass blocking wasn't that great last year.

That said, I understand and agree with your point. His pocket awareness just seemed lacking last year. Whenever pressured he almost seemed to run into the exact spot he should be avoiding. But I don't agree with your sentiment that we can't win a championship with him. Eli Manning, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner. None of them have the requisite athleticism you desire. Even Aaron Rodgers doesn't rely too much on that. The ability to recognize where the rush is, avoid it ever so slightly and make a throw or decide to throw it away is good enough.

 

There is a time and a place for it. That time and place is when youre under heavy durress and youve gone through as many progressions as you can. Otherwise you sit back there and wait for the play to develop. Thats the best thing Sherman taught him. Other players who run from the QB position only wish they had that in their arsenal but then Tannehill is also a better QB then most of those whose talent I would question as passers. There are things Ryan needs to work on but learning when to run is not one of them. You wanna talk to me about his deep ball? Its been beaten to death but fine. His hips are too open and it causes him to lose accuracy on the deep throws. You want to tell me about his ball placement? Fine, it could be better on some throws. Honestly, running is so far down my priority list pretty much everything else comes first.

 

Great post. Bold part is what I have seen from him also. Hopefully he can learn it, but I believe it's more of an instinct.

 

I dont think RT is any less talented than Brady in that area and he has a championship ring

 

Tannehill led the league in sacks under 2.5 seconds from snap. If you are complaining he didn't avoid more sacks like that, it is absolutely ridiculous. You're asking him to read the defensive line and not the secondary during his drop back.

I would say 85% of his sacks were completely unavoidable. Many times he would step around one defender only to be smashed by his own guard or tackle being pushed into the pocket.

 

I think some of what is confused as a lack of athleticism is just inexperience at playing quarterback. This guy is nearly as athletic as you can expect out of a pure passing QB; he very well may have been drafted as a WR if he never switched back to quarterback....that's pretty rare skill.

As I have said before, we spent a year talking about him getting balls batted down. It was said he did not have proper trajectory and that he couldn't adjust or throw touch passes. He must've worked all offseason, because it seemed like he didn't have all that many more than a normal QB last year.

A lot of the times Tannehill shifted within the pocket and was hit by 4 guys at once. Luck is extraordinary because he is hard to tackle in the pocket, but RT could very well run a QB option from 60 yards out if we called it every once in awhile (he almost did this last year). The deep routes made no sense to me, as by the time he could throw the ball, he would've needed to huck it 75 yards down the field to hit Wallace in stride. I think both phases will be greatly improved this year, based on what he showed he could improve from year 1 to 2.

 

Not sure why we keep going back to Luck. He might be the most overrated QB in the league right now.

 

And tell me about all their rings compared to the great qbs that do what I'm saying they should do. Brady, Ben, Eli, Peyton, Brees, etc. I'd take a guy like Matt Ryan or Rivers who is close to elite over an elite running we for three reasons...
Longevity ie Running qbs seem to get hurt more. So long term and short term longevity.
Secondly, the running qbs will eventually need to become pocket qbs when their speed is no longer a threat. Why settle for a qbs who has to change styles down the road?
Lastly, pocket qbs never go out of style. The game will always be played from there no matter how much you and others want it to be otherwise. I agree with a lot of what you're saying and I share your optimism regarding Tannehill but that's not a facet of his game I really feel is essential

 

Personally I look at running as something that if you can do it....great. I don't mind 1-2 runs a game in the right spot. However if you're relying on it to be successful you aren't a good QB to begin with.

 

exactly. On a 3rd and 7 with 1 minute to go I don't care how we get the first down. But I prefer it be via the pass rather then we runs.

 

Ifq your B can get away with it, I am all for him running enough to force defenses to defend against the threat of him taking off if they leave him an opening. I rarely want him to do it and risk injury though. I remember cringing at RT running just last season because he tried to slide to avoid the hit and his foot got caught in the turf. He wasnt hurt thankfully but his season could of been over that fast and for what a few frigging yards. No thanks I rather punt and let my defense do their job.

 

The reason why many of the elite qbs/offenses are elite is because they have enough common sense to make the easy throws. THROWING TO THE RB. This cuts down on sacks, increases completion percentage, helps the run game, and keeps the defense honest. I'm not talking screens...I'm talking quick throws to the RB in space. This is the main reason why i hated Sherman and our offense the last few seasons. There was only one game the entire 2013 season where we actually threw to the flats...the last Patriots game. We scored 2 tds from throwing to Daniel Thomas and Marcus Thigpen in the flats and won (how 'bout that). Then, we never did it again....smh. I was totally disgusted with this offense all season. It was so obvious what we needed to do!

Ryan Tannehill to RBs - 49 receptions, 330 yds (PATHETIC)
Peyton Manning to RBs - 92 receptions, 812 yds
Drew Brees to RBs - 169 receptions, 1239 yds
Tom Brady to RBs - 84 receptions, 741 yds

If Tannehill and Lazor can fix just this, we're a playoff team and Tannehill may get a probowl nod. We're talking 500-600 yard jump in yardage and a much higher completion %.
THROW THE BALL TO THE FLATS!!!!!!!

 

Most of this comes down to the QB and RB making the proper reads/calls/adjustments at the LOS. A big problem with Lamar Miller was making bad reads in the passing game, staying in to block when he shouldn't have and vice versa.

 

I'm in the middle on Tannehill. I'm hoping Lazor will open it up, but Philbin has said Lazor will be running pretty much the same thing they currently do now. I think Tannehill will always be a guy that's uber-talented where you just wait for him to light it up, but he'll always be an average-above average guy. Again, I liken him to a more athletic Jay Cutler. You're just always waiting.

 

The offensive line usually makes the call on whether the RB is needed to stay in and block (usually the center). I also believe Sherman made our RBs stay in and block because we ran so many dumb a** timing routes, which also has a lot to do with 58 sacks given up. Why does everything have to be timed? That's part of the problem right there. When you force football players to think too much instead of naturally reacting, you're going to lose a lot of games. Run your route, get separation, and give your QB a target. After Tannehill makes his final drop step, his progressions should be less than 2 seconds. Also, when I'm calling plays, I usually just throw in some designed RB swings where it's the QB's first progression. Look off the LB, and quick throw to the RB when you see cover 1 or 3. You're pretty much guaranteed 5 yards. Brees does this probably 10 times every game and it's effective. If we could just do that, I'd be happy.

 

This is so true. Sherman's scheme did nothing to help Tannehill out. All of the best passing teams have this as a major element to their passing game as he listed above. Great post!

 

RBs had to block because Clabo and Martin couldn't block.

 

Not buying it. That's a general blanket statement. Especially when you look at the fact that our RBs were not good pass blockers anyway. We hardly ever ran plays like that to begin with.

 

How are you not buying it? Look at block distribution to going out distribution of running backs. Check them out.

The RBs aren't that good to begin with, however neither were the RT and LT. In fact, Clabo magically got better when Miami signed McKinnie. Could it be that the RB started helping Clabo instead of always having to help Martin?