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Baldy Dinger boldly predicts Ryan Tannehill to the probowl and Lazor is a "Star"

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, May 14, 2014.

  1. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Louder.
     
  2. 13Machine8385

    13Machine8385 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The answer to every single problem our offense had can't always be because the OL couldn't block. We had poorly designed plays. The OL sucked, it can't be used as an excuse for every single deficiency we had on offense.
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    The answer to "Why Miami didn't pass more to their RBs?" is "The OL sucked and the RBs had to block."

    Their are other answers to other questions like, "Miami abandoned their running game too early," "Miami taught Tannehill to be allergic to running the ball," "Philbin/Sherman didn't adjust well as the game went along," and "Just call SOME rollouts."
     
  4. 13Machine8385

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    They abandoned the running game early because the OL couldn't block right?
    They taught Tanny not to run the ball because the OL couldn't block?
    Staff didn't adjust because the OL couldn't block?
    No roll outs because OL couldn't couldn't block?

    All of these things would probably be blamed on OL in this forum. I'm not saying that you feel that way. It just seems that in general, any issue that gets debated on offense seems to lead to the OL not blocking.

    All of your points are valid, and I agree that they were issues, but this OL thing as the end all be all of all problems on our offense is fantasy land. Lazor can make us forget all about last season. Hope it happens.
     
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  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    No, I am saying those are other answers to why the offense was not good.

    The problem with RBs not catching is mostly the OL couldn't block.

    Edit: To be honest, having Tanny run a little more, rollouts and not abandoning the run, would have probably helped the OL.
     
  6. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    This, a thousand times this.

    For most of the season Seattle's OL performed worse than Miami's, but their coaches mitigated that by minimizing passing situations, moving pockets, quick read passes, read-option plays, etc. Obviously, better OL helps, but Lazor's potential impact is even bigger.
     
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  7. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I definitely agree with rolling out Tannehill more and using his legs.

    Question: If most of our sacks came from 4 and 5 man pressures, why does the RB need to stay in and help? As bad as our o-line was, they atleast gave 2 seconds of blocking on most plays, wouldn't you agree? Wouldn't it make more sense to have your RB run a quick swing instead of blocking a 300lb lineman or a 250lb linebacker. That means the RB is one on one with an outside linebacker or safety in space when it's cover-1 or cover-3 defense. It takes no more than 1 second to throw the ball to your running back on a quick swing. Lamar Miller has 4.4 speed and can catch. What is there really to think about? This was poor play design and lack of adjustment by Mike Sherman, which is why he is gone. Darren Sproles has made a career out of just catching swings out of the backfield instead of blocking. This is also why Drew Brees and Peyton have so many 5000 yard seasons. About 1/5 of those passing yards go to their running backs.
     
  8. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Take a look at all 58 sacks:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZourGM6KRo

    Take a look at the RB in the backfield and imagine him running a designed quick swing to the flat instead of trying to block some big a** D-lineman or LB. Tell me that play isn't wide open 99% of the time..lol. This made me want to vomit last season. It was so obvious to me when I was watching the games. On nearly every game thread on here last season, I was talking about it. How can a NFL coach not see this is beyond me.
     
  9. Rocky Raccoon

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    The great thing is, not only should the passing game improve with better protection, but so should the run game which will in turn make the passing game even more dangerous.

    I'm excited.


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  10. rafael

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    It felt like the coaches could only consider one way to deal with the issue.
     
  11. Fin D

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    Seattle could run block though, we couldn't. Its why Wilson had to throw so few passes.

    Did Sherman suck? Yes absolutely, glad he's, but our oline was epically bad and hindered our entire offense.
     
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  12. rafael

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    Not really, Lynch didn't average much and he did a good percentage of that on his own. Seattle faced a similar obstacle. They just handled it better.
     
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  13. Sceeto

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    Brian "The Finger" Baldinger.
     
  14. Sumlit

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    I think PFF graded every Seattle starting linemen with a positive run blocking grade for the entire season. I might be wrong, not 100% sure on this so if someone with PFF subscription can verify this that'd be great. They were bad on pass blocking, but pretty decent on run blocking.

    Dolphins line sucked in both.
     
  15. PhinFan1968

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    And the added benefit of getting the defense out of full QB attack mode...but what do we know.
     
  16. VanDolPhan

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    Also, part of it was Wilson's scrambling. Everytime I watched them play it was like Wilson was doing figure 8's on skates out there avoiding the pass rush.
     
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    Instant pressure was a killer last yr, it looked like the OL was not on the same page, and think John Jerry was really bad.

    My Bold Prediction is Dion Jordan shines this yr, I look at OV's emergence after a disappointing rookie yr and believe Jordan is just a far better athlete and should do better then OV in Yr #2
     
  18. djphinfan

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    How did you come to that conclusion Alex?

    Luck is a perfect example of how important his escapability talent impacts the game, while I might add, he learns the position..

    We haven't got any of that in two years..Luck on the other hand has single handedly play-made his team into the Playoffs in his first two years..(please name his weapons at the end of the year?)

    Do not underestimate the power of the playmaking Qb..it's crippling to a defense.
     
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The days of your guys are over, it was just a matter of time before the NFL and it's coordinators figured out how to use a dual threat Qb with legitimate arm talent to win the important games..hell the two best of all time couldn't get it done in direct competition..

    Your philosophy on why not to draft one is seriously flawed, don't do it because they eventually lose their speed?, come on Matt.

    Tom Brady is a great Qb, because his arm talent is so elite, but the guys I prefer also are elite, in a new way, so good luck waiting to draft a strict pocket Qb of the caliber of Tom Brady.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    Well, that's the point, if you can do it, then do it, at all cost to win the game, cause that's exactly what's going on in the league, with great success, predictably so.
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    why would you have a preference?

    Getting it on the ground can affect and open it up the next play..first down at all cost, if the window is there, throw it kapernik style, if not, run it.

    "remember if it's not there, go ahead and use your legs and get the first down"

    Niner o coordinator.

    Complete package, same as Wilson, same as luck...Ryan?, one dimensional at this point.
     
  22. djphinfan

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    part of the skill is knowing how to run, how to brace, how to avoid, how to get down.

    You can't have it both ways, doing rarely is not in the dual threats DNA.
     
  23. Clark Kent

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    Overrated in what context? Luck's offensive line is trash, outside of Hilton, Luck had no playmakers, and the running game barely existed. Not to mention his defense is terrible. And he still managed to perform at a high level. Higher than anyone in his rookie class, and that includes Wilson. Without Andrew Luck, the Colts just drafted Clowney. He's carried that team to the playoffs 2 straight years. I hope Tannehill starts being as overrated as Luck...
     
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  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wow.
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    how excited are you?
     
  26. djphinfan

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    Which leaves us with only two Possible scenarios as to why sherman completely refused the approach Seattle took with their athletic Qb and putrid oline..

    1) pure ignorance and stupidity.

    2) purposely to retrain him to become a pocket passer.
     
  27. djphinfan

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    Hehehe you made a rhyme sceeterbug
     
  28. jdang307

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    Matt Ryan just beat Wilson last year. It's not a one man game, it's a team. Peyton scored 500 points last year. Seattle just had a better defense. Wilson is not better than Peyton. Plug and play Brady or Manning or Rivers or Brees or Rodgers into Seattle's team with that same defense and they might go undefeated. They allowed 14 points a game. Again, I'm a huge fan of Wilson, he has the perfect temperament when it comes to the run. He runs it 6 times a game on average, not a huge number. I'm more impressed with his sense of pressure and ability to run behind the LOS to make a throw. Tannehill has that physical ability. But that's hardly ground breaking.
     
  29. EverFin

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    Oh no, I absolutly did see the 58 sacks and every single one of it did not just hurt RT. Believe me, I literally felt the pain in front of my Screen. I'm a big Tannehill believer but in my opinion he still missed on to many deep throws in situation without much defensive pressure. Would be perfect if the deep ball gets better with the new OL and Moreno but I'm not sure if it was just a matter of protection.
     
  30. Stitches

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    I do not agree. His arm talent is just ok IMO, his eliteness comes from his head (I don't mean that to sound like a slight).
     
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  31. finfansince72

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    Damn when did we pick up a 29 year old Steve Young?
     
  32. djphinfan

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    He's the best Qb in the NFL and I'll tell ya why, cause I would bet anything that if you had to start your team 2maro, the majority if GMs would select luck..no brainer.

    Big freakin deal the guy has thrown some int's, the dude is balling at all costs, making plays that other simply cannot do in crucial situations, and better yet, even in the 2nd quarter when it's 3 and 5 and he keeps the drive alive..what he does do on the field on every play is now being underestimated because he threw some more picks than the norm..

    Best Qb in the league period..
     
  33. djphinfan

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    Yeah we disagree in the sense that you think he doesn't have elite arm talent, I believe he has both the mind and the arm, and the heart..

    The follow thru that Brady has is perfect, his accuracy and touch alongside drew Bree's is un-parralel in the league.

    Tom Brady's arm is ok?... Not sure where your going with that but I'm all ears.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    In isolation I'm taking Wilson over Ryan... I'm taking the short elite playmaking Qb who lacks a bit in the pocket over your pocket passer..I'm sure most would agree.
     
  35. 77FinFan

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    Regardless doesn't look like Brady will be throwing any more balls towards Hernandez.
     
  36. vt_dolfan

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    You know...I hadnt really looked at it put down in numbers like that, but its a very good point.

    Really, when you think about it, the single biggest aquisition this season could very well be Bill Lazor. Will be interesting to watch.
     
  37. djphinfan

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    And moreno..that disproportionate number as it pertains to passes to running backs reflect a bunch of ugly stuff.
     
  38. I'ld keep drafting QBs until I found a pocket passer that operates at an elite level
     
  39. djphinfan

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    And I'd keep drafting until I find the running playmaking Qb with arm talent.
     
  40. ToddPhin

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    I don't appreciate being spoken in the same breath as Mel. :shifty: That is all. Carry on.
     
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