Baldy Dinger boldly predicts Ryan Tannehill to the probowl and Lazor is a "Star"

Matt Millen?

 

preferably someone from Seattle.

 

Well for one they have nearly identical completion percentages. Which is one of the few "basic" stats to value at the QB position. Ryan actually had more games above 60% passing than Luck. Of course the last two games were disastrous for whatever reason, but if Ryan even had just slightly below average he would be greatly ahead of Andrew. Of course there are no changing stats or excuses, just saying.

They also have nearly identical yards per passing attempt.

The Colts had a better offensive line. Their receiving core is better than ours by far IMO but Wallace makes it close and with Wayne missing time probably does give us an edge. However I'd say having a better play caller as well as line gives Luck a greater edge.

Overrated simply means people think he is better than he is. Luck has been nothing but a very good young QB as have Wilson and Tannehill.

 

Luck has been everything we thought he would be. Not overrated at all.

In comparison to Wilson he is. Wilson was a much better value in round 3 than Luck's #1 overall status. That being said, Luck has been fantastic. He looks the part and has been a winner since he entered the league. He had some tough injuries to the offense last year and still played pretty well.

 

Hes been what we thought with making the playoffs and playmaking, but I think his stats are definitely subpar considering he was thought to be the best prospect since Elway. They're just above average, but that's about it.

 

Sounds like you're talking about Fantasy Football instead of real football.

You're right. Statistically, he is middle of the pack. It's hard to judge him poorly after losing his #1 WR and Dwayne Allen. DHB continued underachieving and they even had Da'Rick Rogers in the mix at the end. 28 total TD (23 passing) and 9 int to go along with 350+ rushing yds isn't too shabby for that situation.

He didn't have a Marino season in year 2, but he looks like the real deal to me. He runs that offensive with a maturity beyond his years.

 

Not really, I just think he's been so up and down. Look at his playoff record. A lot of good and lot of bad. Hard to say where he'll end up, he could be a Rivers/Ben or could be an Elway/Farve.

 

Elway was overrated too. I'm glad Cold Hard Football Facts acknowledges this.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/the-most-overrated-quarterbacks/6538/

If his stats match Elway's first seasons, that isn't saying a whole lot.

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And then you keep drafting as you watch said QB get folded in half.

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Mario didn't so much fold, but yeah.

 

Who are these elite pocket passers coming out? They don't really exist anymore. If you look over the past 5-6 drafts, the closest thing to an elite "pocket passer" has been Matt Stafford. As time passes, we are going to reach a point where every QB is a dual threat.

 

Matt Ryan is better than Stafford.

Andrew Luck is not a dual threat. His ability/style has been around for ages. Every few years we hear the onslaught of dual threat QBs and it just hasn't materialized. When I see it I'll believe it. Until then, Randal Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper, Donovan Mcnabb, Michael Vick will just be that, some good QBs who played. I'll take the pocket QB who can scramble for a first down if needed but isn't a "dual threat." These guys run it 60 times a year, Russell and Kaep like 90. So not a huge difference.

I think some of you guys are taking mobile QBs who have existed for decades (Luck, Rodgers) and using them as an argument for a new style QB as some wave of the future.

 

Preach. Miller is not and has never been a very good receiver out of the backfield. Sure his hands are okay, which people always point to when disagreeing on this. But that's not the point. He doesn't have a good understanding of where to be during pass plays: chipping, picking up a guy off the edge, shifting to the interior, or...leaking out as an outlet/safety valve. He's also not clever/shifty enough to beat guys quickly in his routes. Even at UMiami Mike James was the 3rd down guy who handled the duties of reading blitzes and protection and then making the decision on where to be as things unfolded. Last year I watched James beat Luke Kuechley in space with a route over the middle for a long gain. Miller isn't that guy, but hopefully he learns how to be.

Moreno is exceptional at this stuff. In terms of knowing when/where to release and getting open quickly, he's up there with Gio Bernard, Shane Vereen, Ray Rice, Pierre Thomas, those great receiving backs. He caught 60 balls last year! This is by far the biggest thing Knowshon brings to the table, imo.

 

Wins and playoffs are team accomplishments. No one is gonna say Dalton is better than Cutler or Stafford, or that Megatron isn't as good as Crabtree bc he's never taken his team to the playoffs. The whole idea of putting wins and losses on one position is pretty lame IMO.

 

In his first 3 years, Elway's TD/INT differential was -5. Highest rating was 76.8. W-L of 27-13

Marino in contrast had a differential of +54 and his highest rating was 108.9. W-L of 33-8

Do you really think that difference in statistics is worth only 6 more wins in a vacuum? Heck no. In 86, Marino passed for 4700 yards and 44 TD's with a differential of +21 and rating of 92.5. Team finished 8-8. That same year Elway passed for 3400 yards and 19 TD's with a differential of +6 and rating of 79.0. Team finished 11-5. If that isn't a team propping one guy up and another letting one guy down, I don't know what is.

Elway certainly got better later in his career and passed for 4000 yards (4,030) that one time, sure. He even maxed out at a whopping 27 TD's in one year.

 

The MLB finally stopped giving Cy Youngs to the pitcher with the best W-L record. Hopefully the NFL will catch on.

 

Matt Ryan is a fair point, I overlooked him.

But Andrew Luck absolutely is a dual threat. Aaron Rodgers is absolutely a dual threat. These guys can burn you with their legs. I'm not sure how you can label McNabb a dual threat but not Andrew Luck.

 

And what you're leaving out is that the improvised/scrambling/extended/broken plays that the QB makes are usually HUGE momentum shifters. People get hyped up on the edge of their seats when a guy starts to freelance and make something happen with that kind of escapability. It gets the team and fans pumped up. They feel like anything can happen with any snap cause look at this QB doing his own thing and the D can't stop it.

To me this sounds like something the Phins desperately need.

 

You said you'd be happy if Luck had comparable stats to Elway early on. I called Elway overrated and you implied he wasn't and I posted why you wouldn't want Luck's stats to compare with early Elway then I compared his stats with a contemporary all time great to give evidence of him being overrated.

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I think you overstate Tannehill's unwillingness or inability to run. I'd like to see some more of it too, but we're really only talking about an extra 1-2 times a game. He's already effective running when he does it. I think that is an easy fix. We know he was coached by Sherman to go through his progressions and generally stay in the pocket. But we know that under Lazor, Foles did it quite a lot despite being slower and less athletic than Tannehill. It seems clear some of that was coaching as Foles almost never ran in college, so it does not look like running was just his natural inclination.

With Tannehill, I think a few small tweaks can make a huge difference. Being more willing to run when there is nobody open and the pressure is coming is one of those things. Even if it is only an extra 25 times or so, it can make a difference. That can easily be an extra 10-15 first downs, which can make a big difference. Another is more outlet passing to RBs. As mentioned by others, there are a lot of easy available yards from throwing to the RBs. Last year, Dolphin RBs had 330 receiving yards. Philly backs had twice that much and Moreno had close to twice that much himself. Again these are chain moving plays that keep drives alive and give you a chance to score, as opposed to giving the ball to the other team.

 

Interesting that took a season and a half as a pro for Tannehill to get as many starts as Luck or Wilson did when these 2 came into the draft. Luck had 38 college starts. Wilson had 50. Tannehill had 19. These guys SHOULD be more advanced. This is Tannehill's make or break season I think.

I agree with the poster who said that Lazor could be the single biggest acquisition this season - and not just due to him being a more dynamic OC than Sherman. Lazor's previous time as a QB coach is going to be invaluable for Tannehill.

 

I'm excited about Lazor and Benton and Benton's assistant who's name I can never remember but also starts w/ a "B." It should be a good year.

 

He doesn't have Manning's stats And he sure as hell wouldn't want Elway's.

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Overrated may be the wrong choice of words but he is certainly over hyped. Many in the media already lump him in with the elite QBs and simply hasn't done enough yet to deserve that type of praise. Sure he has had a good start to his career but if he levels off at his current level of play he'll end up being just another QB. Let's not pretend he has set the league on its head the way Marino did.

 

The Dolphins have broken me like Theon Greyjoy over the past decade. It's hard to be optimistic, especially the way we ended last season. Here's to Sundays being fun, with RT17 lighting it up!

 

If by "Theon Greyjoy" you mean male porn star, then yeah I feel that pain as well.

Off season these days is to allow the butt hurt to heal.