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Jarvis Landry maybe a Project??

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan40, May 15, 2014.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Last year there was a lot of talk about Stedman Bailey, folks were in love, but I kept going back to the tape and coming back with third round pick and Overrated relative to what I was hearing everywhere, there are some similarities to that case, Austin opening things up like Beckham may of been doing, increasing production on one side, but there is something about Landry that I can't quite put a finger on.
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He listened to his Qb coaches recommendation on who earned the starting qbs job in Ryan's rookie year, took it as gospel and that was it.
     
  3. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't know how many rookies made the roster in '12, but other than the starting QB and Martin that's not a ton of snaps. Obviously last year rookies didn't get a lot of snaps, which may in part be due to injury.

    And what's his face twisted his knee in the pool. :lol:
     
  4. EverFin

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    I'm always skeptical when everybody loves a rookie and predicts a lot of playing time or even a starting role. Landry ist not very fast, doesn't seems to be elusive, for sure he is not an athletic freak and lacks the perfect measurement for a great WR. But when I watch the available tape I can't help myself, there is something special about this guy. His motions by catching the ball seems to be very natural so you don't have any doubt, he will catch that ball, wether the pass was perfect or not. If I was a QB I'd be looking for a favorite target like this.
     
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  5. MrClean

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    I think it's enough to say that Philbin does not have some policy of just not playing rookies. When they are healthy, and there is a need, he'll play them.
     
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  6. 77FinFan

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    That's certainly fair.
     
  7. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Landry has great hands but is not super fast. He's a slightly smaller version of Anquan Boldin in some respects (Boldin ran a 4.7).

    I'd like to see the documentation about the alleged 4.51 and 4.58 above. Because the Pro Day reports from NFL and CBS had him at 4.62. Better but not great and certainly not 4.51.
    Edit: Oops! Scrolled past the links. Mr. Clean's notes are probably right. He's likely a 4.6 guy which means the odds are still a bit long. But his hands and crisp routes can make up for a lot of that.

    But, the speed issue is absolutely a variable and big question-mark. The reality is, not many players make it at WR when they run 4.6, unless they have a lot of size.

    He's not exactly Davone Bess - he's got more size than Bess and brings more physicality to the game at 5'11, 205. If he can play at 210 and maintain his speed and be a good blocker - I like him. He could do well on special teams. And as a slot WR.

    It was a bit of a reach as he would likely have been there in round 3. But, they did not want to take that chance. Essentially, the Dolphins fell in love with certain players - he was one - as were James and Turner - when it turned out that a couple of others were gone (e.g., Shazier), they selected that guy.

    Hopefully he will maintain the same aggressiveness, maturity and leadership even as a rookie.
     
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  8. Alex44

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    Landry seems to think he ran a 4.51 but who knows.

    Regardless I dont think people really understand how unimportant a small fraction of a 40 time there is. Acceleration is far more important IMO
     
  9. 77FinFan

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    Alex documented. Page 2.
     
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  10. Killer Bees

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    acceleration plays into a 40 time no?
     
  11. Rocky Raccoon

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    I think Landry will absolutely contribute offensively. He's such a reliable receiver that even as a rookie you can throw him out there and he'll make plays. Not to mention he also has a high football iq.


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  12. Killer Bees

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    I don't know why but I hate when scouts and analyst's say that lol. Basically saying the guys a dumbass off the field and only has football knowledge. Just say he's an intelligent person.
     
  13. Sumlit

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    Well to be fair, one is not dependent of the other. You could be a genius and have poor sports instincts and therefore poor sports IQ


    Also, I don't see why people keep saying he was a reach and he would have been there in the third, etc. Landry was picked with the second to last pick in the 3rd round, that was almost a 3rd round pick.
     
  14. Killer Bees

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    No I know I get it, to me though it sounds like you're insulting his non-football intelligence by saying that. Obviously if you say he's a smart player you're referring to his intelligence on the football field, I don't care how good he is at math and science lol.
     
  15. Sumlit

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    Yeah I understand what you're saying. But it's just sports phrase people use to describe a player who exhibits above average instincts for the sport, I don't think people say it to slight their overall intelligence.

    IMO the more insulting common phrase is the "he's well spoke" That phrase almost always sounds to me like you were surprised said player was able to communicated like a normal human being.
     
  16. Killer Bees

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    lol very true
     
  17. Da 'Fins

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    He definitely has a shot to get PT. But, the reality is, all first year WR's are "projects." WR is a tough position to come in as a rookie and perform. It's not solely about speed but that really helps a lot - if you can get open deep, you have a huge advantage. But, even if a kid can run good routes to get separation, has very good hands, etc. he still has to read defenses and know where to go and sometimes there is a difficult learning curve - even for smart players.

    That said, Landry has excelled from Day 1 as a first year player at each level so far (high school and college); so that bodes well for his confidence and potential.
     
  18. Rocky Raccoon

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    Haha that's not what I was trying to say. He seems like an all around bright kid but he understands the game so well. He even claims it's one of his strengths. He can read coverages and defenses and that's why he gets open so much, despite him not being overly fast.
     
  19. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Of course, but a guy who accelerates slower but has high top speed can have a better 40 time when that doesn't reflect on field speed. As a receiver you're almost never running 40 yards in a straight line.

    What I mean is a guy that can maintain speed in and out of hard cuts is more valuable than a guy with a 4.4 straight line time. I see Landry doing this very well on tape
     
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  20. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I think the problem is that everyone brings their own watch you end up with conflicting numbers. I feel safe saying he runs a 4.55 give or take based on the individual run and person timing.
     
  21. Sumlit

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    Landry's got quick feet which allows him to quickly change direction and adjust to create separation early. Watch his LSU game tape, dude's feet are a blur off the snap, he creates separation quickly.

    Here. Watch early on starting from 0:35 seconds into the video. That's some quick feet to change direction and totally off-balance the corner.

    [video=youtube;i9pAwlKep6U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9pAwlKep6U[/video]
     
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  22. ILDolPhan

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    Plus, your slot receiver (where I assume Landry will eventually play) needs to be a better route runner than a burner. Outside receivers, now that's a different story.

    I'm surprised more people aren't discussing his blocking ability instead of his 40 time. The combine and pro day numbers always seem to draw more attention than they should IMO.
     
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  23. ILDolPhan

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    Now, that's what I'm talking about! First play of that clip = devastating block.
     
  24. Mr772

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    His story is that he injured himself running at the combine, causing a slower time that what he is capable of running. He has shown he knows how to get separation running routes and that may be more important than break away straight line speed anyway.
     
  25. 77FinFan

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    I'm comfortable saying he's a hell of a lot faster than 4.77.




    "Football IQ" doesn't bother me, but "physicality" makes my skin crawl.
     
  26. djphinfan

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    I don't trust David Garrard, I know he obviously can't hurt himself on purpose, but I really think he used the system, and continued to use it after he left.
     
  27. djphinfan

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    Do you know his split times Alex?
     
  28. GMJohnson

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    Which rookies are those? Bc Tannehill and Martin are the only ones who started a game as rooks thus far and there was basically no alternative in those cases.

    Matthews was was buried as a rookie, even while guys like Armstrong, Gaffney and Binns came in off the street and got significant snaps. Egnew was buried as well, Gates wasn't even a rookie and Philbin wanted nothing to do with him. Miller was a 3rd stringer behind DT for much of his rookie season. Dallas Thomas was buried even as Sam Brenner came in off the street to start and the OL played like crap for most of the year. Gillislee saw snaps in what, one game last year?

    Dion Jordan and Jelani Jenkins sat while Trusnik and Shelby got the starts when Wake and our LBs were unable to play last year. Will Davis and Jamar Taylor didn't exactly hit the ground running either.

    Landry may be the one to break the trend, but he has more of an uphill climb than just about any of those guys. I didn't read every pre draft thread but I read enough to know that no one was talking about Landry before last week. Now all of a sudden he's a fan favorite with all these great expectations. I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves.
     
  29. GMJohnson

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    Blocking, toughness, and good hands will translate well at the next level. Speed, quickness, separation etc. will not, and he didn't have a lot of that even in college. He looks like a Brandon Gibson type, except he's doing it at LSU while Gibson did it in the league so other than injury I don't see much reason to think he'd pass Gibson on the depth chart, especially as a rookie.
     
  30. Alex44

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    Honestly no, but from game tape you can tell he is a guy who creates seperation very quickly. This means he has to be extremely quick off the ball and be able to maintain that quickness in and out of cuts.

    I'm sure his combine splits are available but I wouldn't use those.
     
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think we all can appreciate his toughness, I think that in itself elevates the excitement and bravado..gotta remember the windows are gonna get smaller at this level, he's a late 2nd round pick, I think he will display his toughness and we as dolphin fans always love that kind of overachiever, I think he will be productive as an outlet, but as a true #2 receiver?, I don't think he is that.

    And p.s, when some folks who were claiming last year that mettenberger might garner hi round interest, some even stated that he might be one of the best in the class, my take was he's not that good, and wouldn't draft him at all..yuck.
     
  32. Killer Bees

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    No I know lol
     
  33. mullingan

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    That's what really stood out to me. His blocking was not only very effective but he held his blocks. Also on one play I noticed he was blocking downfield on a sweep and came off that block and tried to secure the corner for the RB. Really like this kid.
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    He lives to throw the crack backs, I stated ( and took a beatin, lol) that he needed to work in some of his blocking, I stated yes he can throw the crack back block, and loves to do so but when you watch as many lsu reps that I have I was talking about on running plays..
     
  35. djphinfan

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    I think he's some where in the middle, matching him up with other players on the field, seeing him trying to get yac in the open field, just eyeballin his speed, I'd say he's a mid 4.6 guy.
     
  36. djphinfan

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    i would agree that the slot is where he's gonna have to succeed, but Rishard Matthews is no joke..

    That's the thing, does anyone want to give up on Rishard Matthews potential?, I surely as hell do not.
     
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  37. ILDolPhan

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    I think that says it all right there. He's essentially close to or at Gibson's level already, so therefore we could assume he has a higher ceiling, right? I don't dislike Gibson, I just think he makes sense as a potential candidate to cut with his salary and injury IF Landry can pick things up quickly.

    I live pretty close to StL, so I've followed the Rams closely. Gibson was so inconsistent with them, but he also played outside. Miami has done a nice job putting him in the slot to utilize his strengths. Unfortunately for him, Miami just drafted a player that plays his position and will be better than him sooner rather than later IMO.
     
  38. ILDolPhan

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    I just think his game translates so well to what type of offense Lazor will end up running. WR's will need to block downfield, and that suits Landry quite well.
     
  39. Sumlit

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    I don't know if they have to. Matthews and now Landry are going to be 24 and 21 respectively. I could see them both being developed as the reliable long term targets so that as soon as next year, one, two or maybe all three of the older and more expensive Wallace, Hartline and Gibson get replaced with the play-making types.

    Gibson, Hartline and Wallace will be 28, 29 and 29 respectively through next year's season and making a combined almost 20M in salary. It isn't crazy to assume the team might replace them with play making types when they have two reliable, tough underneath guys secured and young in Matthews and Landry.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    Gibson was a sixth round pick.
     

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