This fan base used to think that way as well. In fact, I can remember 21 straight wins against NE and 22 straight against Buffalo...but that is old news at this point... I don't think anyone is happy with 8-8, but there has been so many years of that or less since those glory days, that any sign of progressing past that point would make many ecstatic... But as usual, we just have to wait and see what the next season holds...
You are certainly entitled to your belief. I merely believe that every team enters each season with the objective being to win the Super Bowl. That is the ultimate goal for each and every franchise. If you fail to reach this objective, it must be considered a failure. Obviously individual players on each team may have success or failure during the season but when all is said and done, it only matters how successful the team was overall. There is only one winner once the season is over and 31 losers. I can't imagine that any of the 31 losers could consider not being the Super Bowl winner as anything but a failure by the entire organization.
There are 13 teams that have never won the Super Bowl, and two more that have but have longer streaks than the Dolphins. It's not particularly noteworthy. Look at what I posted about Marino's rookie season earlier. Dolphins fans were never very good.
To you, sitting as an average team, year after year may not represent a terrible outcome, but for the vast majority of true Dolphin fans, average is most certainly terrible. To be honest, individuals who accept mediocrity is what I most consider irritating. I have absolutely no desire to be a so called agent of change. I merely desire for the Dolphins to quit accepting mediocrity as the norm and to actually field a team which has a legitimate opportunity to win the the Super Bowl.
We dont have a bad fan base. We have an unexcited base because there has not been much to be excited about in a long while. We have suffered from poor ownership since robey passed.
In a league with 32 teams who play 16 games each the average record is going to be 8-8. You can try and become a top team but no-one above you is just going to let you pass them. Every single team is trying equally as hard to improve, it isn't about accepting anything.
Every year 37.5% of the NFL makes the playoffs. To think that we only managed to finish in that upper 37.5% one time in 13 years is remarkable. Being in the top 20% of the league hasn't happened since 2001. IMO that's a suffering fan base. To others it may not be and that's fine. But to me it is. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
We're still here, but you may miss us because all the critics refer to us as "homers" and "aqua goggles" and the like. They're not fans, they just like to bash the team and try to piss on everybody's corn flakes. I expect the playoffs and a win in it, every year. Do I always get it? Not in a long time haha. Don't matter...still gonna pull for 'em and hope for the best. The difference between 8-8 and 11-5 with a playoff win or two, even a Super Bowl run, is smaller than most would like to believe. Why not this year? I choose the upside, not the doom and gloom. As for establishing a long-term successful team, that's gonna take the right chemistry, personnel and system. If there was a formula for it, EVERY team would win the Super Bowl every year...it's not that easy to perfect, and the luck factor's always mixing it up a little (see Brady @ 199, last 2 Giants Champs, Atlanta and Houston last year, etc). I don't need 14-2 to believe...all-weather baby...all-weather.
As long as I'm alive, I will always go into the season with high hopes of having a winning season and root like the psycho Phinfan that I am and have always been, Always, but the question of what happened to the winning culture of this once proud team, as you say, is simple. We haven't won much as of late. Pretty simple.
They took our voice, and made it a neutral field..it's been a steady Decline since. Think about it, everyone has something different to say, but no one can seem to put their finger on it.. If it wasn't for the greatest Qb of all time, we would of been the same sh$$ team ever since we made the move.. It's the most consistent Thing I've ever seen, take away Danny and it all looks the same.
Hmmm..unexcited, empty seats running rampant during intros, fans sitting on their *** 90 percent of the time..players seeing that is not condusive to pro athletes playing with incredible passion, playing for a cause, the fans..must be an empty feeling playing for nothing buy your pay check.
2013 - 26th in scoring offense 2012 - 27th in scoring offense 2011 - 20th in scoring offense 2010 - 30th in scoring offense 2009 - 15th in scoring offense 2008 - 21st in scoring offense 2007 - 26th in scoring offense 2006 - 29th in scoring offense 2005 - 16th in scoring offense 2004 - 28th in scoring offense I could keep going on and on.... It's hard to sit in the stands and watch this crap. This is why there are so many empty seats. WE CANT F'N SCORE. It's been like this since like 1996. From '96-now, I think we've only had one year where our offense was ranked in the top 10. So, in almost 20 years, we've only had a competent offense for one year....smh. The best part of football is watching your team score. Find me a coaching staff and an offense that i can believe in and I'll show you a stadium full of happy fans. Back in Marino's prime, we consistently had a top 10 offense...which is why I fell in love with the Dolphins and also became an offensive coach. Don't get me wrong, defense is important in the grand scheme...but, I don't watch games to see the score of 10-9. It's boring as hell. Can we please just throw the entire franchise at Gus Malzahn and let him take us to the promise land??? I don't know how much longer I can continue watching these 'defensive' games. I was almost at my breaking point last season with Sherman.
There are actually a lot of homers on this site. And many years of sucking will be a good thing when were steadily in the playoffs because we'll enjoy it more.
Great post. I agree 100%. You know what we have been missing all these years? A QB who was even worth starting. I believe we have that now and insteaf of watching him progress we want to tear the team apart. Honestly you guys are startibg to remind me of Bengals fans who want Dalton out even though he's off to one of the best starts in NFL history for a a QB. Those same fans would have killed for Dalton 10 years ago. So instead of being gloom and doom why not let our young QB progress? That alone would make us a 10-11 win team.
Dolphins fans don't represent an extraordinary segment of the population. If anything, they're sub-par. So what actually is the functional takeaway from someone "accepting" mediocrity or not? What are you doing about it? Posting on an internet message board?
Miami is certainly not a great football city and really never has been. It was the early 70's that made it. But, going back into the 80's ... attendance was often 8-10-15K below being a sellout even for much better football cities like Chicago. What would be more appropriate and telling is to see whether those attended games were sellouts and on TV and to look at attendance records (both tickets bought and actual turnstiles) for the league average over the years and see how Miami stood, attendance wise, versus the rest of the league over the years. This above is just anecdotal.
Lol...ok..now go back before Brady and Bill...and tell me what their expectations are. When you dont win over a long period of time..yoi have no or lower expectations. Its a cycle... Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
This is a discussion board. Given that it's stated intent is discussion, I prefer that discussion to be intelligent discussion. That's a personal preference. If this board is filled with intelligent discussion about the Miami Dolphins then you are likely to see quite a bit of skepticism and criticism of the team given the poor record over the last ten years and more recently the way the team stumbled at the end of the year against two highly beatable opponents with the playoffs within reach. If you want high-fives and chants then I suggest attending tailgates, games or viewing parties. I would not suggest discussion boards.
I dont think the number is that high. And hes found quite a few gems over the years as well. He brings a lot to the board in terms of player evaluations and news so while some of his player evaluations may not be perfect and he will be the first to tell you Ive disagreed with him plenty of times on them, we arent batting 1000% on player evaluations either
I reread it and it sounded really disrespectful, I didn't mean it that way. I just meant people are going to use that post as a way to justify negativity. "Well CK said"
Since I moved out of South Florida, to Hawaii earlier this year. There really isn't anything I can do but view this forum, and from time to time post comments in an attempt to find out the latest in regards to the Dolphins. Prior to moving though, I attended well over 350 regular season and playoff games played by the Dolphins since 1966. This includes attending a Dolphin game in London, England in 2007 and around 30 other away games over the years. Obviously I went into each season wanting the Dolphins to win the Super Bowl and I have always been severely disappointed each time they have failed to do so. My view is exactly the same as Vince Lombardi's. "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing". Somehow I don't think Lombardi would have ever accepted mediocrity as the norm. I have always believed that failure to win the Super Bowl for an NFL team has to be considered a complete failure. You seem fine with mediocrity and I can live with that.
Right, but what exactly does this have to do with you, or any of us personally? How can you hold someone to a standard when you have no oversight? This is a pretty ****ty corner to paint yourself into. At this point, you've established that A) you have some level of control over the Dolphins organization or B) are imposing standards that are completely irrelevant and without merit.
In no way did I state that I have any level of control over the Dolphin organization. As far as me setting standards which you infer are completely irrelevant. that is just your view of my comments. Perhaps you need to go back and read what the topic of this thread was when it started. The main question was why so many Dolphin fans are happy to settle for a mediocre team, year after year. I have merely stated that I have never been happy with mediocre and in fact I have never been happy with any season in which the Dolphins don't end up winning the Super Bowl. I went to games for over 40 years and rooted for the Dolphins, but there have been only two seasons since 1966 which I felt the team didn't fail once the season was over. Those were the two years the Dolphins won the SB.
This statement inherently entails some type of action: If you don't accept mediocrity, what counter-measures have you taken? How have you somehow not accepted mediocrity, in practice?
Right, so he has taken action, correct? If so, then the medicority of the Miami Dolphins is a reflection of his work. Thats why I said he painted himself into a ****ty corner. He either is a contributor to the Dolphins medicority/horribleness, or he is accepting of mediocrity/horribleness himself. Can't have it both ways.
Maybe he moved to Hawaii in protest of the Dolphins mediocrity after decades of accepting it? If you can just say that you're not going to accept something and then not actually do anything about it or even behave in a fashion representing an allied set of principals I'm going to go hog wild here and say I'm not going to accept my own mortality.
let me take a crack at this. I used to fall asleep on a Monday night watching Bob Griese throw to Paul Warfield and Howard Twilley those were good times for me. when our key players left our team fell nto a football hell then we bounced back in the 80's but we couldn't get over the hump. the 90's came and Marino went down with a major injury then Shula started drafting badly and the results were terrible. Shula Retires in come Jimmy the hair spray Warden , he drafted defense but he did not have a decent offense and we had too many 8-8 seasons which is the worst position any club can get into. not good enough to win and not bad enough to get real talent. Jimmy Johnson was not a good fit for us . we needed to get better draft picks on offense but we kept up with the crappy draft positions and that resulted in 8-8 seasons. Now comes Dave Wannstedt his coaching wasn't near as bad as his personel moves and draft picks. Dave traded away draft picks for aging players. plus he ran the ball way too much in my opinion. he was too loyal to Jay Fiedler and then he fires a good oline and wr coach and replaces them with coaches that were not as good . we passed on Boldin , Brees and Rashaun Woods and Reggie Wayne and another wr . Dave had the best winning percentage but horrible defensive draft picks. enter Saban he never wanted to be here and yes I wanted him to be a great Billicheck disciple . he never should have been hired . then comes Clueless Cam who passed on Patrick Willis and whoever was the popular player at the time. then the Tuna and his helpers showed up with outdated coaching and who's draft picks were worse then Wanny's Sparono and Ireland were the worst things to ever plague this club. so we have nothing to have pride in because we were making clueless moves while the 49,ers Steelers and other teams were adding talent. Miami could be ever bit as good as the elite teams , if only they would draft better players. Free agency in my opinion wasn't as terrible as our draft picks. I love the dolphins but we seem to let the better players go and we keep adding dumb players and talent deprived players if I knew that we were to go 8-8 and draft some star players then 8-8 would be more palatable to me. we don't have a Larry Csonka or a Mercury Morris hell we don't even have a Delvin Williams or Bernie Parmalee . our tight ends are average and our oline is still a work in progress . Miami needs to have a great draft not a decent or a ok draft . when we do these things I will be like pimp in a whore house.
Which is a very legitimate point. When Danny played you knew we could win against any team - any day. Every year you felt like this could be the year. There are no star players on this team. Except maybe Wake and he can only get you going for 1 or 2 plays a game. Most teams are now doubling and triple teaming him. When I titled this thread I wanted to clarify what happened to Dolfans, not only in terms of attitude but what has been done to us to change not only our attitudes but what we are willing to accept. We seem willing to shrug off mediocrity and hope for next year. Now it has become a "strategy" to not have star players but to just be a little better then everyone else each year. This has become the new goal. I say **** that I want to kick some *** - every year and it starts under center.
why do you keep trying to push? It is not particularly noteworthy that we have failed to achieve our objective for 42 straight seasons?? Our objective is to win the super-bowl. Every year. That's why we play the games. It is not okay for us to suck because others suck. This to me is a twisted thought process. Are you afraid on some level to admit you love a team that sucks? I'm not. I will love them no matter what. Doesn't mean it is OK to loose.
Do you honestly. Now I want to know HONESTLY Do you think Tannehill and Philbin are our next Brady and Bill?? If not, then WTF are we doing wasting our time with this crap.... Not bashing anybody just asking? Are we excepting it because our standards have been lowered over the last 40 years? Just curious if you will be totally honest or not
yes. I was disappointed every single year. But Danny brought excitement and I was pissed the season was over. And I remember when Marino retired. I felt like a horse kicked me in the stomach. A mild form of panic set in because I knew we would never be the same.
