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Brock Jensen Brings Championship Pedigree To Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, May 31, 2014.

  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/a...Dolphins/83f9ee98-b079-4aee-b641-dc8299e9743c

    :pointlol: :domodance:
     
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  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    It's strange to me that the story on him has morphed into this physically limited guy who is just a winner.

    I've heard people claim he has a weak arm and I've even heard people claim he's a poor workout guy. Neither are true.
     
  3. JDelenne

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    So all I read is how he is a winner and his gaudy numbers... but what made him a udfa? what are his weaknesses? it cant just be because of his conference
     
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  4. Silverphin

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  5. pmj

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    Oh God here we go with another "winner". Most overused and useless adjective in sports attributed to an individual.
     
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  6. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    There've been a lot of NFL players who weren't the most talented but got the job done, knew how to win, and won in big situations. I understand what you're saying b/c I too am one who doesn't enjoy being placated, but there's always merit to being a winner if he happens to grow into a player who translates to the NFL game. Plus I'd rather have a locker room full of winners who have the taste for winning in their mouthes and a craving for more of it than a collection of players who aren't winners.
     
  7. pmj

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    That fact that you even use the term "winner" means its a conversation not worth having, especially with someone not even D1-A. Winning doesn't translate across different levels, sorry.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    He's an FCS player and unlike Jimmy Garoppolo he didn't have King Kong stats because he didn't play in that type of offense. There's more to it than that of course, some of the details of his game need work, but those are the main things.
     
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  9. Fin D

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    Agreed.

    If a QB has that kind of record, has a good arm and good work out numbers he should get drafted....I would think....
     
  10. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc2QhIQllSU

    I'm actually intrigued by this kid. It's nothing against Tanne. However, it would be nice to have some hidden talent on the roster. It would be nice for this franchise to find some hidden gems. I'm not saying Jensen will be one, but I am intrigued.

    I like his accuracy, especially on the deep throws.:escape:

    I like his pocket awareness. He has those small, nimble steps and moves within the pocket, when sensing the pressure. Not just basing this off of one highlight video. Just sharing.
     
  11. Fin-Omenal

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    Do you have any postable cut ups of him not found on YouTube??? Would love to see more of this kid.
     
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  13. gafinfan

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    Go to youtube, there is the complete NDS/K-State game of 2013. No cut up high light film and if you're not just a little more than intrigued I'll eat my Intrepid Ball cap. The kid is just as CK states.
     
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  14. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Nothing against Jensen, but he is a developmental guy as in practice squad right now. No idea how he will function at this level of competition. Nice college record and highlights, but it's odd to me that if he were as truly gifted as his 70-7 HS and college record that he ended up at Nowhere Dirtwater State, BFE instead of a major program.

    Also, I'd rather that instead of Lynch they had drafted a QB in the 5th with the ability to push Devlin out the door for sure and maybe even bump Moore. These two need to go. And Soon.
     
  15. ckparrothead

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    I'm pretty familiar with the recruiting process and so it's not surprising to me that he wasn't highly recruited. If you think the NFL drafting process is dictated too much by pure measurables, the recruiting process is even more so. It's all tangibles and which class (Class 7A, 6A, 5A, etc) your high school was in.

    I've seen studies that show that NFL success has virtually no correlation with recruiting prowess and I believe them.
     
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  16. jw3102

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    These stats mean absolutely nothing at the NFL level. If you went by championships and wins and losses in high school and at a lower college level football team, it would appear Jensen should have been drafted much higher than Tannehill, who hasn't won any championships and his teams in high school and college were very mediocre.

    With Philbin's job on the line, I expect him to stick with Tannehill, Moore, and Devlin as the three QB's on the roster this season. I see Jensen as nothing but preseason fodder and an extra arm in training camp. There is a reason he wasn't drafted and it is probably because all the teams knew he won't make it at the highest level in football.

    With his stats and knowledge of the game, I suspect he will probably end up being a good high school football coach in the near future, but not an NFL QB.
     
  17. cuchulainn

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    Oh, I believe you, but at the same time, I read that Jensen was the #1 or 2 ranked QB in entire state of Wisconsin coming out of HS. That should have garnered more than a glance from a larger college. While he was there, there were guys like Savage and others that bounced from program to program to get starts at larger programs.

    Maybe he really is all that and was just somehow overlooked, but it still just seems odd. Again, I have nothing against him, but still think that Devlin isn't going to lose any sleep over him and if we were going to bring a QB in, I would want Devlin and Moore sweating him big time.
     
  18. Fin D

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    I'd normally agree, but isn't it different with QBs? Sure QBs fall through the cracks and get picked in a crazy rounds....but undrafted? With how important they are to a team's success? I mean who was the last really good UDFA QB after Romo (Romo being really good is debatable I know)?
     
  19. ToddPhin

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    No, it's a conversation not worth having b/c you wanna act all Captain Literal about it as if everyone is suggesting "being on a winning team = NFL success" and vice versa. Only an obtuse-minded individual would discredit the very real traits and intangibles responsible for constructing a player who is a winner. Not to mention you act like teams win b/c of the teams themselves rather than the players who comprise them. Perhaps it's not Brock Jensen being a winner b/c he was on a winning team but rather the team was a winning one because it was comprised of players like Brock Jensen.

    Joe Montana wasn't the most gifted player, didn't have the best size, nor the greatest arm.... but he's been a winner who has strongly exhibited the traits of a winner his entire life. He won a state CHAMPIONSHIP in basketball in 1973; took Notre Dame to a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in 1977 thanks to his clutch, season heroics; and he won MVP of the Cotton Bowl in 1978 after another 4th quarter comeback like he had done throughout the season. And gee, what do you know, he goes on to win 4 Super Bowls and becomes one of the most winningest QBs to play the game. This is all because he has the intangibles in spades that comprise a winner, of which he used to help his teams win.


     
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  20. ToddPhin

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    Hey PMJ,

    When offered the choice between two identical players, one who is a winner [he despises losing, comes through in the clutch which promotes winning, doesn't crumble in big games or big situations which promotes winning, is a leader which promotes winning, is a hard worker and is demanding of himself and others which promotes winning, is a selfless team player which promotes winning and leading by example, is a focused player who maintains consistency throughout the year because of it, and as a result he helped contribute to a winning team and developed a stronger winning mentality and winning culture].... and the other identical player is a non-winner [he's been on either a losing or non-winning team, is more tolerant about losing and less motivated to win, doesn't work hard to be a winner, isn't a leader and doesn't lead by example, isn't concerned about teammates having winning mentalities, loses games b/c he cant handle the pressure of tough situations, has erratic success b/c he can't remained focus, and has minimal expectations about winning and creating a winning culture] ..... I guess you'd say they're the same players, huh? :unsure: I'll take the former all day long while you're annually toiling with whom to draft with your top 5 pick.
     
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  21. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    There was this guy at Michigan some years back. Didn't have a particularly strong arm and wasn't very athletic. Heck, guy didn't even start all that much in college. But he pulled a number of games out of the fire and acquired a bit of a reputation as a winner. His name was Brady, or something like that.
     
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  22. jw3102

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    There have been many QB's who have had huge success in their high school and college careers and yet never played a down in the NFL or once they got a chance at the NFL level, just weren't good enough.

    That takes nothing away from the career Jensen had in high school or in college. Right now Jensen is a nice story of a small college QB who is getting the opportunity as a non drafted free agent to make an NFL roster. I just don't see him having much chance of being on the roster once the season begins. I hope he proves me wrong and he become the next Tony Romo, only better. I just doubt he will though.
     
  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    IMO, this is the year for Devlin to push out Moore. If Devlin does not push out Moore and Jenson looks like a quarterback worth developing as a back up, Devlin is a goner.
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Well, Billy Turner ended up at Nowhere Dirtwater State too, and he got drafted in the early 3rd. Look where Khalil Mack ended up having to go to college, of all places, and he was 5th overall. The bigger mystery IMO, is why he wasn't drafted than where he went to college.
     
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  25. cuchulainn

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    Yes, continued intrigue with our new QB... as for Turner and Mack, it's easier to risk taking guys who play mano-a-mano positions than skill positions I think, especially QB.
     
  26. Sceeto

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    It's weird that some are so sensitive and offended by someone being described as a "winner". Would you be happier if he were termed a "loser" and had a horrible losing record? Weird. It's not like anyone read that term and thought or said he was definitely going to be the next Marino or Montana, etc, etc, etc. Wherever he was, he was a "winner". Fact. Nothing more. Nothing less. Settle down Beavis'
     
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    Building a D1 juggernaut are we.
     
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  28. ToddPhin

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    I think in general it's just because there are too many variables involved with assessing a QB compared to a lineman or pass rusher. It's easier to isolate Turner and Mack's game.
     
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    This is a great example of how scouts really still don't have a good grasp on what is most important for a QB. You could argue that physical measurables should take a back seat to leadership, overall mental toughness, and how a player handles himself under pressure.

    Because of this, it makes perfect sense that a good QB would go undrafted. With all of the predraft formats centered around mostly physical abilities, it is natural for most teams to move further away from what a player actually did on the field. Also, there is the fact that many teams don't draft QBs most years so the opportunity to get drafted is somewhat limited vs other positions.

    Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, Warren Moon, Jeff Garcia, and Jake Delhomme all slipped through the draft process. Sometimes, all a player needs a chance to prove himself. There is still a good chance that a great future QB can still go undrafted. Even in this era.
     
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  30. rafael

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    IMO intangibles for a QB are as if not more important than measurables and stats. Of course there is a a minimum amount of physical measureables that are needed for NFL success, but once that threshold is met then their importance diminishes. Jensen easily has more than enough of the measureables and more than Devlin. I would say that other than college stats that Jensen is a better NFL prospect than Devlin was coming out. Time will tell of course, but factoring in the salary issues, trade value etc., I think that there is a decent chance that Jensen sticks either on the PS squad or as the three. He probably needs Devlin to show enough that it makes Moore expendable and then obviously show enough himself to stick.
     
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  31. ckparrothead

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    This is the point I keep trying to emphasize to people but they insist on just writing their own stories about what is happening without bothering to find out if the details fit.

    Tom Brady was a 6'4" & 211 lbs quarterback at Michigan who ran like a 5.3 with a 24 inch vertical. Brock Jensen is a 6'3" & 223 lbs quarterback at North Dakota State who ran a 4.70 with a 34 inch vertical.

    These are not comparable football players. Brock Jensen is not the guy with poor tangibles that compares to Tom Brady.

    Brady played at a big school, played big time competition, played really well against that big time competition, but had virtually no athletic ability coming out. Brock Jensen played at an FCS school, won big at that level, but rarely played good FBS college teams, and has a lot of athletic ability.
     
  32. jdang307

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    I'm biased (went to law school there) but the small school QB I've been rooting for has been Josh Johnson.
     
  33. MrClean

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    So, you're saying Turner and Mack should have gotten some interest from the major colleges?
     
  34. ToddPhin

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    Mack, no, because of his situation/circumstances..... but Turner, yes. Minnesota missed on Turner. They were too busy looking outside their own back yard for greener pastures while not much but the smaller schools were digging through their barren state's players. I think that's a part of North Dakota State's success b/c they get the overlooked kids from Wisconsin & Minnesota b/c it's not like the rest of the Big 10 is entrenched there panning for potential gems, and there aren't smaller conferences like the CUSA, American, Mountain West, or MAC nearby to consistently grab the D1 capable players who don't get offered by the big programs. Had Turner instead grown up in the Florida's hotbed that gets sifted through with a flea comb, he would've been a D1 recruit and probably not escaped the state unless a big program wooed him.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    The Jensen versus Devlin battle is really just a distraction as the chances are slim that it will ever be important.

    But I'll take that distraction over this thing where Tannehill is a bust every time he throws an interception or has a lackluster day of practice. Or this thing where because Mike Wallace was in the slot a few times at practice or because the offense lined up in a few different formations, Miami is now on the cutting edge of offensive innovation.

    If that kind of stuff is the alternative then give me throw-for-throw updates on Brock Jensen versus Pat Devlin all day.
     
  36. Alex44

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    I don't think winning or losing alone makes you that type of player in either scenario. You can hate losing more than anyone and go 0-16. Desire to win does not mean it will happen.
     
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    I wouldn't say "cutting edge", but I do see it as a sign of more innovation than last year. I see it as a sign that they're at least attempting to make more effective use of their player's talents. Miller running out of the shotgun more, RT throwing on the run or being used in read-options, Wallace doing more than running deep routes on poorly designed plays, etc.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    The entire league moves their primary receivers into and out of the slot and the entire league utilizes multiple formations (which Miami did a lot last year). They're not doing anything new or revolutionary or even abnormal.
     
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    First of all, there is no "identical" players so your scenario would never be testable to begin with.

    But I'll say this, the majority of what you describe is simply being a leader. While I don't think being a "winner" is a real thing, yes, there is such thing as being a leader or not. Of course having leaders on your team should contribute to better overall success, but you can be a leader and not ultimately win. Marino was a leader, Zach was a leader, unfortunately, they didn't win. I just hate the term "winner" being thrown around by sports commentators about scrubs. Even if there was such a thing as a "winner", I sure as hell wouldn't describe someone as a "winner" unless they HAD won at the highest level; then maybe you could have that label, not for winning in high school and scrub leagues or conferences.
     
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    My recollection is that Wallace spent little time in the slot last season. Hartline did move into the slot, but IMO Wallace's talent was not utilized there. Wallace is a guy who commands more space at the line and often a S cheating over. Running him in motion makes a D adjust at the snap. That causes confusion for the D and it's easy to imagine some quick and easy five yard throws for RT. And with his speed a few of those would turn into long TDs or at least significant RAC. I think that also forces more one on one for Hartline on the outside for that well timed out. I think that if you add a back out of the backfield as a safety valve and you have a fairly good chance of giving RT an easy read and throw.
     

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