Another chance to see The Kangaroo Kid at 5 tonight. Ennis joked we should call him that...so I will god damn it.
I bet at some point Spo and Riley had a debate about whether Melo should be the third leg of the Big 3 instead of Bosh.
I've got this one DVRing. Everone has been so damn focused on Shabazz Napier. The real star of the Heat summer league team is definitely the Kangaroo Kid. He has the potential to be a devastating pure scorer...and that's kind of what the Heat lacked at the end. Their defense had been blown up by the Spurs and they needed to be able to score with them, and couldn't.
Lebron and Wade had Dinner in Vegas last night..and then went clubbing. It's happening soon. Some chips the Heat have to play..... A) They can trade Cole for a player/picks or Space.... B) They can trade Mario Chalmers in a S&T.... C) Seek Out the clippers to complete S&T for Granger..and add the mini-MLE. Told that they still have Brandon Rush, Anthony Morrow, and Jameer Nelson on their minds. But they can do a Rio for Isaiah Thomas Swap...only hold up? Rio has to agree to go to Sactown. Yeah..not happening. LOL
Heat target Lance Stephenson http://sports.yahoo.com/news/heat-target-lance-stephenson-155202653--nba.html Sign-and-trade for Dwyane Wade? He plays SG, brings height, shooting, youth and athleticism that, frankly, at this point, Wade lacks. Has big-game experience, although he needs badly to mature.
Damn, our offense would be sick with Isaiah at the point. For all the defensive drop off last year it feels like we've looked harder at offensive pieces than defensive pieces.
If you want to alienate Lebron James, Chris Bosh and every single name free agent for the rest of the time Pat Riley is running this franchise...you do something like that. and Wade is better than him, while also not being certifiably insane.
Well true, but I think a lot of our defensive issues were due to a lack of athleticism. If you have the scheme and athleticism you have a chance to play well defensively. Unless you are James Harden.
It's implied that James would not only sign off on the move beforehand, but actually endorse it. Loyalty is nice, but business is business, and this or a number of other moves involving Wade and or Bosh would make the team better. For instance: 'Melo decides to go with LA, and Jackson is faced with losing him for no compensation; a S&T of Bosh for 'Melo would give everyone value; the players max out their deals, the teams don't lose FAs for nothing. Only the Lakers lose, and I can certainly stand to see that. Can't you? I see the big three as far more tenuous this offseason than in the past. I think these last finals were a revelation to Lebron—the BEST ****ing player in the game, perhaps ever—and it could have him thinking legacy instead of friendship. Or look at it this way: if I'm Riley, I trade my elderly mother to not lose Lebron. Lose anyone except Lebron.
So if they seek the Clippers to complete the S&T with Granger, they could add a mini MLE...like who? Would that be Anthony Morrow or Brandon Rush?
I wonder where? I guy I know is the executive chef at one of the hotels there, has this door (to his office) that he has all these celebs sign then when it is full he auctions it off to charity...
Lebron wouldn't approve. that is the point. and BOTH players in a S&T (when they are free agents) would have to approve the deal. SO none of this is really realistic. Losing one series in 4 years is not a time to PANIC..it is a time to assess how you are doing things and regroup. I piss on the Finals results. All that proved is that our bench got old and useless in spots.
Lol at all this nonsense about the Big 3 being undecided. These guys made their decisions months ago. The only things left to be determined are how much is left for their salaries, and how much Arison will spend on tax. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
Yes. or somebody better since I think you can get those guys for the minimum. we are running out of roster spots btw...we are adding 2 players tops. 4 if we fail to add Oden and Bird.
All things being equal, I'd take Melo over Bosh, and so would you. I don't believe it to be THAT far of a stretch that Lebron would like that move. Or even Wade/Chalmers or Wade/Cole for Melo.
Wade is going nowhere. It's not Riley and company's MO, and it's stuff like that that makes him who he is and gives him the clout he has. Wade's going to be a lifer. Stephenson is a very talented player who's also young and potentially the Heat culture could reign him in a bit, but I don't see how they get him unless Bosh leaves.
I didn't understand the Morrow thing, but I warmed up to it. The Rush thing, I just don't get. If a guy hasn't found a way to be productive in six seasons with four teams, why now?
I'm a fan of the team from the day they were created. I'm a Wade fan, believe it or not. I want him to retire a Heat. But I'm not so sure that the greatest player in the game sees Dwyane the same this offseason as he did in previous years. And I'm certain he does want to win, and that he knows Melo would help him do that better than Bosh or Wade.
People don't really seem to understand this point. Wade disappeared and Chalmers was at his all-time worst, but the Heat would have (at the very least) made it a series if they got any help from the bench like they did in the past. Battier became useless in a hurry, Allen started missing shots, and Bird honestly looked injured. If you take the same starting unit and improve the bench (like they've already done), you would have to assume Chalmers and Wade (if healthy) play better, and LeBron and Bosh probably play about the same, and they compete with anyone in the NBA. This notion that the Heat have fallen off is ridiculous.
The Heat bench gave them NOTHING against the Spurs....on either side of the court. Also the opening minutes of the 2nd quarter was a horrific offensive period for The Heat all season long
It is. Lebron James is in Miami, for many reasons, #1 among them ALL is Dwyane Wade, and you don't do that to a player and keep your job very long as a GM.
The point that I see everyone ignoring is that Wade DID disappear. But let's leave that aside for now. Chalmers didn't just disappear—he did it for the umpteenth time. His greatest claim to consistency is in inconsistency. And still, he gets the love. You didn't hear from me that the Heat have "fallen off;" an injury to Bird is an injury, not a reflection on the player. But you can't look at a near-forty Ray Allen and shrug it off; if he's done, you can't give him any more of that precious cap money, even the minimum. Not to mention the roster spot, when you've got Napier and Ennis ready to start crashing the party. Granger and McRoberts are a nice start to retooling the bench, but you can't just piss on opportunities to get exponentially better in the starting lineup; at least Lebron can't, and that's the point I'm making.
Melo is a better scorer. Bosh is a better fit for Miami. Melo would bring a lot of duplication. Would they be better? debatable...with Bosh they went to 4 straight finals and won 2. How much better can they be with Melo?
Forgive me for interrupting a discussion, just wanted to say I hope my Orlando Magic team is better this upcoming year. Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton look great, and play well together. The team looks young but solid, but I'm still not sure we have the right coach. We'll see. Starting from scratch.......
No he's not. Just saying the double standard is ridiculous. Everywhere else he would be a huge upgrade. Here Lebron wants to leave because Bosh is an albatross.... Huh???
Sec Wasn't it implied last year that Oden was given last year true opportunity to try to get his legs back and get healthy again with he opportunity to be the "big" we needed this year?
You sir, are telepathic. I'm actually drinking a Barq's root beer as we speak. No Funyuns in sight, but a man can dream. Go Phins.
How much better did they need to be this season, especially in the finals, to keep Lebron engaged? Melo brings 11 PPG, 2 REB and 2 AST more than Bosh to the game; 8 PPG, 4 REB and one fewer AST than Wade to the team. How could the Heat NOT be better with Melo than either Bosh or Wade? The numbers say it. But more than the numbers; it's that, when Bron and Melo are both on the floor, the team is UNDFEFENDABLE. When one is on the floor without the other, the team is still formidable with either Wade or Bosh plus a decent supporting cast...like Granger, Vince Carter, Jameer Nelson, Birdman, a 90%-healthy Oden, even Morrow. There is NO point at which the team with Bron, Bosh and Wade plus anyone else is undefendable. It's just a better team with Melo in it, and minus either Wade or Bosh. Preferably Wade. Hyperbole. Never have I said Bosh is a liability. And why can't we talk about improvement without him being as liability? Or Wade, for that matter? Wanna talk liability? Chalmers. And that's why he's covered in bruises from teams not touching him with ten-foot poles. NOT Bosh, not Wade.
I wasn't trying to insinuate that you felt that the Heat have fallen off, but rather that seems to be the school of thought in the media and around the country. You hear things like "LeBron's best chance at winning is _________ (insert Houston, Chicago, Dallas, or many other teams I've heard in that place)!" To me, that is nonsense. The Heat are still the best team in the East and will contend for being the best team in the NBA if some of their moves pan out. I don't think anyone is ignoring that Wade disappeared. He was pretty awful in the finals. But he was very good up until that point. He was incredibly efficient and was one of the biggest reasons they beat the Pacers. I don't think you can ignore that part when looking at Wade's season. Is there reason to worry about him? Absolutely. Would I consider moving him for a better piece if you take emotions out of it? Yes. But you can't do that. The emotional part of it is what makes the Heat one of the best organizations is sports. As for Chalmers, he is without a doubt inconsistent, but he has been pretty consistently good in big games. His play in the playoffs this year was as bad as he's been his entire career. You can't assume that will continue, and it's not like there are starting caliber PGs growing on trees for the Heat. Even an inconsistent Chalmers might be your best bet right now.
Ummmm of course he has more ppg, he's offensive option one, two, and three for the Knicks whereas the heat have a plethora of scorers. Which is Sec's point. Adding another scorer affects the synergy of the team a lot less than a guy who handles a multitude of responsibilities and plays within the offense like Bosh. Carmelo's per game number across the board would fall if he joined the Heat. Just a function of the overall team. Now Chalmers...Sec lives him for pg defense but I really soured on him this postseason.
Yes. They invested a helluva lot of time, effort, and patience to just let him go sign with somebody else.
You can't compare a #1 option with a #3 option. You compare Bosh with James Worthy. Not Magic or Kareem. Yes. The offense would be insane. But..then again...the last 3 years of Heat Offensive basketball marked the most efficient and prolific offense in NBA history for any 3 year period. SO how much better? Our issues came with our defense slowing down and getting scorched by the Spurs. We need to enhance that above all else. As for Chalmers, he was awful in these playoffs. But he has shown enough in the past to be a nice addition for somebody, especially at his current contract.
It IS nonsense, isn't it?! Bron's best chance at more championships is with Riley, and who Riley can bring on to help him. It's simply my contention that we can do better at one of the remaining "big three" spots than Wade or Bosh. That's all I'm saying. As far as Chalmers, I'll be surprised if Lebron lets him back on the team at all. If, after expending all that emotional investment in the kid, he still just ****s the bed like he did in this postseason, then I would think that Bron has mentally moved on from him as a teammate. Wade; I don't know. I get the loyalty angle, I do. The fact is, there would be no big three in Miami without Wade. But does that mean you have to die in battle with him eternally, instead of maybe improving without him? Friendship is nice, but Lebron is all about winning. We saw the negative reaction, his disconnect, his visible anger when the team and its key pieces fell apart around him at the end; you think he just forgives and forgets? It's one thing if it had been the first time; but it's not. This team has left Lebron standing alone before—same team. The difference is, last time Bron was able to put the team on his shoulders and win anyway. This time, don't you think he MUST feel differently about it all?
