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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by schmolioot, Jul 7, 2014.

  1. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    This may not pertain to you?? But that is the worst case of the pot calling the kettle black I have ever seen. Funny
     
  2. djphinfan

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    You can go back to his last year with Cleveland where you will find me starting to see and form my opinion of James..the "decision" was anticlimactic, I knew he was gone, leaving the heat in the way that he did, douchery and simply unprofessional.

    He's making me look right all these years..

    Relatively speaking, I think he's overrated and I don't dispute he's the best in the game, I would however take wade in his prime over James for a championship run.
     
  3. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Fact: Heat was 8th in att. When they won 15 games in 08'. This year...the Spurs were 9th.

    Last 18 years, Miami has better att. Than Boston or New York and might overtake LA this year.

    Make of that what you will
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Correct venues and hyped participatory fans with a chip on their shoulder make winning teams harder to beat..
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    there are no outdated numbers Sec, venues play a role, with good betters.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Has Cleveland attendance figures not match up?
     
  7. Section126

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    No. Saying that odds were updated drastically.
     
  8. Fin-Omenal

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    It's an economical issue in Cleveland, trust me...the Cleveland fanbase is one of the best in sports, let alone Miami.
     
  9. Alex44

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    Ticket prices must be crazy with all those championship years :shifty:
     
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  10. Serpico Jones

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    They love being tortured.
     
  11. MikeHoncho

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    WTFacts

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
     
  12. Section126

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    I know we have a reputation for glitz and glamor...but this city is broke, and it has a bevy of politicians robbing the place regularly.
     
  13. JMHPhin

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    Dude corrupt? Cuyahoga County's whole elected officials plus a judge were put in jail for corruption, and the county adopted a whole new form of government. Read FBI. cases sometime, the corruption will fascinate you.
     
  14. djphinfan

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    I think it's great that the heat fanbase has an opp to really change their perception, I believe the culture is strong, there is history now in the hallways, I actually like it better for the culture and fanbase that Lebron is gone, you want to win the right way.

    I believe the heat will be a hot ticket..

    Man if I was Arison I'd have my marketing team blitz a huge campaign throughout Miami..all about family, loyalty, pride of the jersey, and why they need the fans to raise the temp in The building..

    And d wade should be filming his training for his ultimate comeback season, the hero season..
     
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  15. Desides

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    The implication here that the Big 3 was somehow the "wrong" way is off base.
     
  16. rafael

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    I think the perception of Miami's fan base being fair-weather is largely based on the Dolphins and the Canes. The Dolphin's attendance over the years has been spotty. And the Canes were known for filling up the stadium against the big names but playing before very sparse crowds for the other 7 or so games. The facts show that the Heat's attendance figures compare quite favorably to the rest of the league. The numbers I recall have almost always had them among the top 10. But that doesn't stop the trolls and the ignorant from pretending that the Heat fans are poor.
     
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  17. ckparrothead

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    Heat fans are not at all sinless. Just being objective about this but the wealthiest Heat fans (who have the lower section tickets) tend to show up late, be conservative during games, leave games early, etc.

    I know so many other Heat fans who are frustrated by the tendencies of the lower bowl fans because they would kill to be down there, showing up early, leaving late, cheering their arse off, etc...but can't afford to.

    I've generally been an ardent supporter of fans' rights to boo their team when they're not performing well, but I was really turned off when the home fans booed the team during the freaking FINALS. To me that's just wrong.

    Then you've got the whole image which has stuck in the public collective memory of all those Heat fans leaving early during the last Spurs Finals and then finding themselves locked out when the Heat brought it back into overtime. That image is not leaving the collective memory any time soon. And yes I do believe it affected the players, including LeBron James. I bet the booing during the Finals affected him as well.
     
  18. schmolioot

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    I agree that you normally shouldn't boo during the Finals, but those were two abject humiliations at home. I mean, neither game was remotely competitive.

    Just a unique circumstance I think
     
  19. Serpico Jones

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    Hopefully they'll lower those lower bowl prices, the only people that can afford those seats right now are Columbian drug lords.
     
  20. sports24/7

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    I thought they deserved it. I probably wouldn't have booed, but I certainly won't judge fans for doing that. The level of play was pretty awful and the effort was not what it should have been. They ran into a buzz saw with the Spurs, but that doesn't mean the Heat don't deserve their share of blame. Most of the team picked the finals to play some of the worst basketball of their careers.

    With regards to the perception of Miami fans, I do think it is a bit of a front-running city, but I believe the majority of the bad reputation comes from the extremely wealthy fans that have the expensive seats that many times are not very good fans. Those are the late arriving crowd that doesn't go to the less important games and sometimes abandons the team when they are playing poorly, and leaves early. The problem is, those are the seats you see on TV. When those seats are not filled it's obvious.

    I do think that the real fans in Miami are very good fans that care deeply about their teams on par with any city in the country.
     
  21. NaboCane

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    ‏@AlbertRandom1 3h Chris Andersen's $5.375M for this season is the highest salary the now-36-year-old will receive from one team for one year in his career.
     
  22. NaboCane

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    @AlbertRandom1 3h As of now, no RT @Daniel0061824 Looks possible that Monroe will hit FA market next summer. Would Heat be positioned to offer big money then?
     
  23. schmolioot

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    Per Stein and Broussard, Bulls now in the mix for Kevin Love.

    The more teams Minny can get in the bidding only makes the price go up.

    A Taj Gibson/Jimmy Butler deal certainly helps the Wolves more right now, but Wiggins is probably the best future asset.

    Odd trade for Chicago. Where would Love play? Would Gasol come off the bench? And Chicago would be massively downgrading their defense, though I guess their thought is that Thibs can fix anybody
     
  24. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Golden State still has the best offer on the table. But, i hope Love goes to the east, preferably Cleveland.
     
  25. sports24/7

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    I don't see how that offer even gets them in the conversation. Wiggins alone is better than that, and the Warriors deal even without Thompson is probably better than that. With Thompson, it's not even close.
     
  26. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The problem is the Wolves have to take back a lot of junk they don't want from Cleveland and GS to make the salaries work.

    Who knows how much the Wolves are considering it? Probably Minny leaked the story to Stein/Broussard to put pressure on others to up their offers.

    It benefits Minny the more teams they have at the table.
     
  27. Serpico Jones

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    I think the Cavs trading Wiggins is a mistake, dude is going to be damn good.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    I don't think there's anything unique about it. This team is appearing in its fourth consecutive Finals, and you're booing them. It's just wrong to me, period.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    I agree with this 100%.

    I disagree with this 100%.
     
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  30. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ok, fair enough.

    I just don't think it's that big a deal either way.
     
  31. Section126

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    Those boos were subjective really.

    There were a couple of Spurs players that kept taunting the crowd (Joseph, Mills) and the crowd kept responding to them. At the end of game 4, there was a "Let's go Heat" chant in there.

    As for Heat fan behavior turning Lebron James off.....I don't buy it. Cavs fans set his jersey on fire, called him awful names, and urinated on urinal cakes that had his likeness.
     
  32. sports24/7

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    I would assume they'd have to take back junk from the Bulls too wouldn't they? Gibson and Bulter make up about $10,000 and Love makes almost $16,000. I'm also not sure how much cap space should matter to the Wolves. It's not like they're attracting any FAs any time soon. I would just take the most talent you can get back. I do agree that it's better for the Wolves to have as many teams in the race as possible, but there's no way I'd take that deal instead of either of the other two, even if I had to take junk back.
     
  33. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Cavs trade doesn't work with just Bennett and Wiggins.

    Waiters has to be included or they need to add Brendan Haywood plus a bunch of other guys. If Minny wants Cleveland to take back Kevin Martin it's impossible with both rosters as they are now.

    These ESPN reporters don't even use their own trade machine.
     
  34. ckparrothead

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    I honestly don't think he cares what they did after he left them. I think first off he has the kind of personality to be amused by that, while also being understanding, and secondly I think it wasn't long before he realized that he himself had wronged them with The Decision stuff and so anything they did or said was forgiven at that point.

    I have yet to see LeBron thank or explicitly praise the Miami fan base after he left the Heat. He's spoken highly about the organization a lot, and had others do that talking for him as well. He's spoken highly of his former teammates. Not a word about thanking the fan base or anything like that. And I think LeBron is a very intentional, thoughtful person. He thinks these things out. So I believe that was intentional.
     
  35. sports24/7

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    LeBron said a lot of good things about Heat fans while he was here. Maybe that's a case of not ****ting where you eat, but it seemed to me like he truly liked playing in front of Heat fans (and why shouldn't he, they were at their best when he was here). I agree he is very intentional and not saying anything about Heat fans in his letter does raise a small red flag, but I imagine in time (maybe before playing the Heat), he will have good things to say about Heat fans and I doubt they had much impact on his decision to leave.
     
  36. schmolioot

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    So because the fans booed the team, in general, one time, he explicitly doesn't thank Heat fans?

    So that one 15 seconds of boos obscures 4 years of sticking up for this guy when every single media personality and fanbase was trashing him? As Heat fans, we rallied around that guy like nothing we've ever done. He was immune from criticism down here, the media protected him, etc.

    If he is mad about the boos then he's even more vindictive then I thought
     
  37. rafael

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    In a way the time Lebron spent here felt like a business arrangement. From my POV there was no love there. I mentioned earlier that while I certainly was a fan of his while he was here that I never bought any merchandise with his name or number, but I did buy Heat merchandise during that time with Wade's name and number. I never called Lebron my favorite player. And after the announcement that he was leaving, I was never all that distressed. I didn't feel betrayed or hurt. My focus was on replacing as much of his production as possible and setting the team up for 2016. I expect that when I watch him as a Cav that I'll generally wish him individual success. I'll root against Cleveland overall b/c I think the owner is trash, but I thought that before so there's no change there from my point of view.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    I agree with you that in time he will have good things to say. However, he's not making his Decision 2.0 somewhere down the road. He made it sometime between the Finals and a few weeks ago. His mindset during that period is what's critically important, not his mindset a year from now when he says nice things about the Miami fan base. It's entirely possible that the booing and other stuff just didn't appeal to him. He's also pretty likely to romanticize the Cleveland fans a little bit because he hasn't been there in four years. I mean I can just imagine him hearing the boos during the NBA Finals and thinking, this sh-t is ****ed up. I've given you a lot. Cleveland never would have booed me during the Finals. Whether that's actually true or not is arguable of course, but I can definitely see him thinking it. And I can see Rich Paul explicitly saying that to him.
     
  39. ckparrothead

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    You still sound very emotionally charged about this and not very objective.

    And let's not pretend this is the first or only offense he could have taken about Heat fan behavior during his time in Miami. Hell it wasn't even the first offense he could have taken during a Finals. Recall the fans leaving early while he and the rest of the players were fighting to stay alive, and then *****ing when they couldn't get back into the arena to watch them in overtime.

    I know you want to sit here and pretend like I'm saying this or that is THE reason he left. But that's not true and you know it. It's all just pieces of the puzzle. I'm saying it wouldn't surprise me if fan behavior was one of the influences.
     
  40. Fin-Omenal

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    Maybe I'm in the minority, but I believe he had a good idea he planned on returning well before the finals loss to SA...that series IMO was the nail in the coffin. There were many clues pointing toward a return.
     
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