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Bleacher Report Has Miami @ 32

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by PhinFan1968, Jul 21, 2014.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Better talent, better coaching is a basis for optimism.
     
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  2. djphinfan

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    and don't forget the juice Pod...he and Clay workin the mid range game, Wallace stretchin em out deep, hart workin the tippy toes, I wouldn't call is explosive" yet, but if Tannehill gets the time his pendulum style should be able to distribute the ball.
     
  3. Limbo

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    Hey, this sounds like what we've been saying the past two years. Or like this time last year when we brought in LBs who "fit better in Coyle's aggressive playmaking scheme." Or when we just needed "A wideout to stretch the field." So much for those things working wonders in the W column.
     
  4. ckparrothead

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    It just seems like Miami are fitting into some kind of really well established cyclical pattern.

    They brought on a new coach in Philbin who brought on all these other assistants. They got disappointing results and scapegoated the assistants, replacing some of them with guys that have a sexy name/reputation. And when that fails, out goes the head coach.

    Similarly they got a new young rookie quarterback. Then they got him a big name wide receiver. Now that he's stagnating the big name wide receiver is being blamed by some, the quarterback by others, the offensive coordinator blamed by most. In comes a new offensive coordinator and when that fails then they end up trying out a new quarterback.

    Whole thing just seems so...written.
     
  5. Ronnie Bass

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    I have been going back and forth with this clown for three days now, he just tweeted "Lol" to me which means he ain't got nothing
     
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  6. Ronnie Bass

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    Here is one of this responses:

    Ha, yes. Bringing in Lazor is another thing I don't like. Philbin gor the job because of his track record with QBs & offense...

    ...when other assistants are brought in to take over your specialty, that's a bad sign (see: Garrett, Jason).

    WTF? Bringing in good assistants is bad to this guy
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, I'm talking about a specific unit..
     
  8. Deerless Dice

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    Too bad on this go around Miami didn't win the division
     
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  9. DPlus47

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    Isn't Philbin's specialty offensive line?
     
  10. MrClean

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    I have yet to read anything written by Ty Schalter that has made sense. He is by far the worst football writer TBR has and I don't mind telling him so, not that I think it bothers him much. Whatever that idiot says it is just as likely the complete opposite is true.
     
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  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Some drunk college guy in Outer Mongolia would make more sense than Ty Schalter. I've read several of his articles over the years and he's consistently terrible. Someone needs to slap him upside the head for having the audacity to submit the articles he writes.
     
  12. MrClean

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    Some of their stuff is very good. Their draft guy Matt Miller does a fine job for example. I just decided after cringing my way through 4-5 articles written by Ty Schalter, that I'd rather give myself a honey enema and sit bare assed on a hill of fire ants before reading anything else that blithering idiot has to say.
     
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  13. LBsFinest

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    Philbin has no specialty.
     
  14. unifiedtheory

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    If he is correct, the entire thing gets burnt to the ground and we start again. I don't WANT that to happen of course but it would be better than endless 8-8.
     
  15. Clark Kent

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    I don't think well burn anything to the ground. We've got a young team. Worst case scenario a new coach comes in, drafts a qb and Tannehill starts anyway in his final year of the contract.

    Obviously the Albatross contracts of some players will be chopped up and thrown in the garbage where they belong. But tats a good thing.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    Unfortunately there are guys like that still there.

    They ask people to write things that cover ALL THIRTY-TWO TEAMS...and though they do pay them, they don't pay them much. Too often they get what they pay for.
     
  17. jw3102

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    A couple of weeks ago, one media service ranked the Dolphins #31. Now another service ranks them #32. I really don't care where they are ranked because it will all sort itself out during the season.

    Prior to the suspension of Jordan and the loss of Pouncey for much of the season, I thought the Dolphins were a possible 8-8 team this coming season and that they would probably finish 3rd or 4th in the AFC East.
    I think that with Pouncey now expected to miss more time, the Dolphins will probably finish the season 6-10 or 5-11. This shouldn't get them to #31 or 32 in the year end rankings, but I can certainly see them finishing the season at #26 or below.

    Bye bye Philbin.
     
  18. jw3102

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    It isn't the players, the coaches or the GM who are the problem. It is the owner who is the real problem. Hopefully a new owner will soon buy this team and the rest of the issues with the organization will be resolved.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    The #31 and #32 rankings are fringe rankings.

    I'm not one who normally accuses people of having a bone to pick with Miami, but in both of those rankings I believe the person did have something in their mind pre-loaded about Miami. I know the PFT ranking author said he put Miami at 26 and then someone above him knocked them down to 31 but kept the author's commentary.

    Vegas books are generally thorough AND objective (money has a way of doing that to people). That's why I trust them as a good litmus test of where things are at. Contrary to popular MYTH, Vegas sets their initial lines according to analytics and equations...NOT because of some mysterious prediction of where they think the public will bet 50% on one side versus 50% on the other. That's a pure line of bull sh-t being fed to people by other people who know nothing.

    It's true that lines are moved off their initial setting due to action and the book's risk aversion practices...but even those movements are subject to a different set of rules and circumstances than most think. For example, the books LOVE to shorten Super Bowl odds. All it does is reduce their potential liability. Since those are futures, they don't even have to lengthen any odds on the other side to make anything square. They just shorten a team's odds from 50/1 down to 40/1 because money came in, and they don't do anything else. However, they really don't like to lengthen a team's Super Bowl odds. They only do so if they're getting no action whatsoever.

    So the fact that Miami's Super Bowl odds started off at 50/1 and since the Pouncey injury and Jordan suspension have lengthened to either 60/1 or 66/1 depending on which book you're on...that's telling in a number of ways. There are a number of potential inferences to be made. You know Vegas did not want to lengthen those odds and they felt compelled to by something strong. That something strong could've been almost zero action being played on the team, it could have also been that new developments changed their ratings and prediction models for the team. In all likelihood, it's a combination of the two.

    The win totals are completely analytics based at their initial setting. Sometimes you will see an oddsmaker stake out a different position than his analytics tell him. The Cantor oddsmaker last year staked out an initial 6.5 on the Dolphins even though his analytics pointed toward 7.5 wins. But this is not a popular thing to do, doesn't happen frequently, and just a simple perusal of multiple books will tell you where the analytics were generally pointing. In Miami's case this year the initial analytics pointed the books somewhere between 7.5 and 8.0 wins. They went with an 8.0 Under (which means extra juice on the Under bet).

    The problem with these props is they open up definitive potential liabilities. Unlike the Super Bowl odds which they can move around, if they move the win-loss number from 8.0 to 7.5 or 8.5 then they have to worry about being sided or middled by bettors. For a book, being sided or middled means definitive losses. It's basically an admission of defeat. What they generally try to do instead is manipulate the juice. And in Miami's case they're manipulating it a LOT. I've seen -165 on the Under 8.0 wins bet. That means that some teams who have their over-unders at 7.5 are actually predicted to win more games than Miami even though Miami's over-under is still set at 8.0 for the moment.

    Anyway, short story long, from what I have seen across the books some of them consider Miami to rank about #21 or #22 in the league, and some of them consider Miami to rank more along the lines of #24 to #26 in the league.
     
  20. Ronnie Bass

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    Something I have been waiting for all summer, troll this guy the first week of the season and I just did...capped a wonderful weekend
     
  21. Ronnie Bass

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    Just replied he's working on a crow eating article on us now lol
     
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  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Profootballtalk had Miami at 28. I wonder what they will have them now!
     
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  23. jw3102

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    I'm only bringing this thread back because I went on line to see where Bleacher Report has the Dolphins in the power rankings after week one.

    They now have the Dolphins at 23 and the Patriots are at 3.

    This clearly shows that results against another team is irrelevant if the individuals making these rankings already has his mind made up that one team should be ranked higher, even if the lower ranked team just beat the snot out of the higher ranked team.

    All these power rankings and statistical rankings of teams and players are nothing but a by-product of the internet age. They mean absolutely nothing and are merely the subjective rankings of individuals who obviously don't watch the games or care about the results of these games.
     
  24. MikeHoncho

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    Wait, so does this make New England #33?

    Just wondering if the teams we beat this year atuomatically become the worst team in the league.
     
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  25. Ronnie Bass

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    Ugh, how about a link man?

    EDIT: Found it: http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...her-Report-Has-Miami-32&p=2405669#post2405669
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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  27. dolfan22

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    Jason Cole writes for Bleacher Report right? OK lol ,nothing of value then ...
     
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  28. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    And on NFL.com, Miami stayed pat at 18, and the Pats moved down 1 spot...lulz.

    Edit: I know these things (power rankings) don't mean squat...just entertaining at times.
     
  29. jw3102

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  30. ElNino

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    At least Peter King knows his stuff

    This bleacher report article is high on the phins...


     
  31. vt_dolfan

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    0. Miami Dolphins (No. 28; 1-0): The last time the Dolphins beat the Patriots, they chased the victory by losing to the Bills. Next up after the latest loss to the Patriots? The Bills.

    Latest loss to the Patriots? Bet that chapped Florios ***..
     
  32. vt_dolfan

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    Espn has us from 22 to 15. Now that I can respect.
     
  33. jw3102

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    It appears Florio thinks the Patriots are now going to win the SB because they were beat so badly by the Dolphins.

    I guess he missed the fact the Patriots haven't won a SB since 2005 and Brady and Wilfork are the only remaining members of that SB winning team still on the roster.

    I think the Patriots are still the team to beat in the AFC East, but they certainly aren't the dominant team they were for so many years.

    Would I be surprised to see them win the AFC East again this year? No I wouldn't be surprise, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they go 8-8 and miss the playoffs. I think the AFC East division is as wide open as it has been in over a decade and the Patriots no longer can take it for granted that the other teams in the division are just going to cede another division championship to them this year.
     
  34. jw3102

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    That makes a lot more sense.
     
  35. Larryfinfan

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    I kinda had to laugh at the Boston media, they remind me of ours, but here is a doom and gloom article and there's another that the fans are clamoring for them to pick up Incognito....

    http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/f...09/07/opening-daze-patriots-need-find-answers
     
  36. mroz

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    that sounds about right
     
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  38. jw3102

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    I went on the Patriots fan forum right after the game on Sunday to see how their fans were reacting to the loss.

    I had to laugh at how many fans were ready to get rid of Brady and many said Belichick has lost the locker room and it is time he is replaced.

    Once this team begins being mediocre, as all teams eventually do, I think some of those Patriot fans will be throwing themselves off the top of buildings downtown. :lol:
     
  39. Phins_Fan_87

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    As of right now, we should be ranked higher than every 0-1 team...
     
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