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Discussion in 'TV, Music and Movies' started by NaboCane, Jan 9, 2014.

  1. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    That is correct, he's referring to the ability to warg into animals and control them. So Bran will "fly" in the sense that he will learn to project his consciousness over great ranges.

    This isn't spoiler-y since he's now debuted; the man's name is Brynden Rivers, commonly known as Bloodraven. He's supremely important in the last 100 years or so of Westerosi history. He has key relationships with a couple of major and several minor characters we've already seen. He has also appeared in almost every episode in some manner by way of his controlling ravens. Basically, any time you see a raven in any scene, assume that Bloodraven is controlling the bird. He makes Varys look like a piker.

    That said, I'm sort of upset with his depiction; he's just a really old man in the show, while in the books he's merging with the weirwood tree, to the point where he has roots growing out of his missing eye (he has 2 eyes in the show). This is where the phrase "a thousand eyes and one" comes from: the thousand eyes are the animals he can control, the one is his own.
     
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  2. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree. It looks like they merged Tysha and Shae as one character, changing Shae from being a social climbing camp follower to actually loving Tyrion. It's confusing because they mention Tyrion's earlier marriage, but as a single character it makes sense for Jaime to not confess.
     
  3. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Here's a good chart of exactly which book chapters were adapted into which episodes. You can see that the adoption rate is increasing as the seasons progress. Note this isn't a comprehensive list of all POVs in the books--there are quite a few that have been excluded from the chart because they weren't adapted yet. Look for those to be mixed in to Season 5.

    In fact, now that the first "trilogy" of books is completely adapted to TV, look for a big roster change as the second "trilogy" is made. Lots of new faces to replace the departed.
     
  4. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    My theory about Bran is he will eventually warg Dragon's. Hence, he will fly. If Dany ever gets her *** to Westero's that is... Earlier this season there was a vision of a shadowy dragon flying above King's Landing. Unlike Aegon the Conqueror, Dany may just have some real competition.

    p.s. I hate Dany atm. Dragons, mythical and magical creatures that haven't existed in hundreds of years. Birthed from the death of her husband and son, and she locks them up in a dark crypt. What a dumb *****.
     
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  5. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah! The last thing Id do is piss off dragons! I didn't get that either. Or at least chain the disobedient dragon, not the 2 nice ones.

    And I wonder if her advisor is out of the story, the double agent. I doubt it.
     
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  6. Zippy

    Zippy The Man in Black. Club Member

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    That really puzzled me, I would have created curfews at dusk and dawn assuming that is when Dragons hunt like most other predators, and then made sure there were livestock available.
     
  7. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    LOL, I just stumbled across an article on it:

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-why-no-lady-stoneheart/

    ^^^*Book spoilers in that interview*^^^
     
  8. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    http://tvline.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-lady-stoneheart-season-5-spoilers/

    Great interview with showrunners Dan Weiss and David Benioff about the S4 finale and its key elements...and one glaring omission, which will be a major spoiler for the non-book reader.

    Enjoy at your own risk. I'd say it is worth the exposure to what will probably come as no surprise in an internet world.

     
  9. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Yep, that's the scene I was referencing.

    As for the "reasons" listed… Graves is an idiot. He seems to be opposed to the entire storyline, not just the inclusion of its reveal. And what exactly was more important that had to be included? More scenes of Oberyn in a brothel?
     
  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Is Gendry still alive? Did we learn of his fate one way or another and I miss it?
     
  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I really sad they didn't include the line, "I guess he doesn't **** gold, after all."
     
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  12. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    He was last seen in a rowboat leaving Dragonstone.
     
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  13. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I captured some book excerpts of the Tyrion chapter depicted in ep 10. You can see them here and decide for yourself how well they were adapted. I'll only leave this link up for a little while.
     
  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    One of the few deviations I had questions about. That should have been a powerful scene.

    Based on the confession from Jamie, and what Tywin said before getting blasted on the crapper - Tyrion spends much of the next 2 books searching for Tysha, or at least wondering "Where do whores go?". I'm guessing he will never find her, since they left out the confession from the brother. I thought it would have been good if Tywin somehow confessed about Tysha, and that triggering the kill.

    They skipped so much of Bran's journey from the 4th and 5th books. I was shocked to see that storyline fast forwarded so quickly. Didn't he only meet the "3 eyed Raven" toward the end of book 5? And no dead elk riding dude either. I thought he was important in the books for explaining how a cripple, a simpleton, and 2 teenagers trekked through the northlands filled with White Walkers that sent 300 of the best the night's watch had to offer crawling back to Castle Black with their tails between their legs. Besides getting captured at Craster's Keep and Jojen struggling, they pretty much made a huge trek without incident.

    But unlike other readers I have no major problems with the show's deviation. They are doing a good job of capturing the important elements from the book and not deviating drastically.

    Show watchers can look forward to a much slower next season or 2 from the material covered in books 4 and 5. It's good stuff, but you don't get the major punch in the gut moments you get in book 3.
     
  15. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It'd imagine Varys will be taking a more prominent hand in guiding Tyrion in his future endeavors.

    since Varys is MIA for most of AFFC/ADWD it works. I'd rather watch Varys/Tyrion together than Tyrion/Penny either way.

    Also, I was right about my Brienne versus the Hound prediction, which didn't happen in the books. Brienne is kicking butt and taking names, so it wouldn't surprise me to see her at the top of the food chain by the end of the show. Wait, this is GRRM. She'll end up in a ditch somewhere.
     
  16. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    I like the way it was done on the show. They seem to have wanted Tyrion to kill his father in a calculated manner, not in a wild-eyed rage, and I believe that is the more effective scene for the show.

    What I don't like about that scene is that here's the Hound, a major badass, and he doesn't get outdueled with the sword—he gets beaten semi-conscious and down an embankment by a woman's fists.

    Seriously?

    Brienne would have to be considered the better sword-fighter, given her training; But the second-biggest badass in that world gets TKO'd by a chick? Very hard on the necessary suspension of disbelief required even for a fantasy series like this one.
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    She had a rock
     
  18. Firesole

    Firesole Season Ticket Holder

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    They had already established in previous episodes that he was suffering from the bite wound on his neck that got infected. He wasn't the typically feared Hound when he fought Brienne.



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  19. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    Plus he had to pinch a loaf half through. Must've been uncomfortable... ;)
     
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  20. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Brienne is also rumored to descended from a great knight who was name dropped earlier in the season, plus she beat Ser Loras straight up at Renly's tournament. If she wasn't a woman, she'd be considered a top 5 fighter by Westeros. But because she is, she has to climb up and earn it. Beating the Knight of the Flowers, the Kingslayer, and now the Hound will accomplish that.

    the knight is Ser Duncan the Tall, she has her shield repainted in his arms when she starts he quest to find Sansa in the books. He was the knight who traveled and trained Aegon Targaryen V, the great-grandfather of Daenarys and brother to Maester Aemon of the Night's Watch
     
  21. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    There are 4 characters descended from this one great knight.

    Current money is on Brienne, Hodor, and Gregor and Sandor Clegane.
     
  22. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    She "defeated" Jaime only because he was chained and starved for months on end. Jaime is a legit top 5 swordsman in westeros history, Brienne wouldn't have beaten him otherwise. That's kind of the point of his story. Losing his sword hand and losing his identity.
     
  23. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;dySPJnMHL_Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySPJnMHL_Q[/video]

    [video=youtube;OLNFloNdJH4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNFloNdJH4[/video]
     
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  24. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Here's some speculation that Lady Stoneheart may be out of the storyline entirely rather than coming in season 5.

    http://wallstcheatsheet.com/enterta...ady-stoneheart-out-of-the-series.html/?ref=YF

    Speaking to Entertainment Weekly, Michelle Fairley, who plays Catelyn Stark, seemed to confirm that Lady Stoneheart won’t be making an appearance in the TV series despite some major concerns from fans of the books. “Yeah, the character’s dead. She’s dead,” Fairley said, implying that “dead” meant the character was done from the show entirely.
     
  25. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Catelyn Stark is indeed dead, and Lady Stoneheart is undead. So technically Michelle Fairley is correct and accurate, but also not being fully forthcoming.

    Alex Graves' confusion over the character is more telling, IMO.
     
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  26. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I saw this too but until we know for sure, I have to agree with Desides. If it is true, it could torpedo her book storyline as its resolution may be minor
     
  27. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Obviously his statement could be interpreted either way and we don't have the advantage of reading his body language, voice tone, etc. to try and differentiate as the article's author did. My inclination is that the author's speculation is more likely accurate and that the storyline will be deleted from the TV series.
     
  28. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    If the Stoneheart storyline really is cut, then it can only be for budgetary reasons; that way they don't have to pay actors to portray all the various Freys.

    It does leave open the question of exactly what the hell Brienne will be doing in the Riverlands for the next season or two.
     
  29. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I assume that there will be several budgetary based cuts.
     
  30. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Freys will get plenty of screen time once Manderly shows up. Besides, its not costly to throw a frey cap on an extra
     
  31. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    According to all the newscasts this morning, winter is coming.
     
  32. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    They're filming entirely in Spain next season; did I read that right?
     
  33. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Can't be true.

    I know Dorne is a huge part of the story next season, but it's not everything.
     
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