WADR, and I am a big fan of tech improvements within the sport.. There are some decisions that you shouldnt need it. Pads or no pads is one of them coming out of a day off.
My impression from the camp reports were that the offense overall was struggling rather than Tannehill was throwing bad passes or making bad decisions. That's why I say that he seems to have been consistent in camp. And I recall that those first days there were reports of Tannehill holding the ball too long and reports of him "being more of a leader" when he was getting on receivers for running incorrect routes. That's what you see when a timing offense is struggling and isn't really an example of a QB having a bad day. I think that's why I've seen reports that Tannehill has had a consistent camp and why I would say that he seems to have had a consistent camp.
Well considering we haven't had much of an OL for a while now..........that'd be awesome in my view ;p
Maybe for the depth guys, but I'm really waiting for when the offense plays more then a series or 2. Want to see some hope there.
Not going to comment on Tannehill till after preseason. Thats my goal these next several weeks. No matter how high or low he plays in any preseason game. The OL on the other hand...
I'm not worried about Tannehill at all. So much going on with the new system and players, bound to have hiccups. Hell, Brady had 2 picks and 2 PBUs the other day in the offense he's ran for over a decade. He and the offense are going to take their lumps under a completely new system...if this continues in practice and stretches into the season, then I'd be worried...I doubt that happens.
And to capitalize on this I'll post these tweets from Omar, make of them what you will: Omar Kelly @OmarKelly · Overall, this was the first bad day Ryan Tannehill had. He took the bulk of the snaps due to injuries with no weapons. What do you want? Omar Kelly @OmarKelly · And believe me....I'm the last person who will make excuses for Ryan Tannehill. He's FAR more developed now than in past training camps. Omar Kelly @OmarKelly · Ryan Tannehill is quicker on his reads. He's throwing deep ball better. He's checking down more. He's running for short gains. All PROGRESS. ps: funny he posted this at exactly this moment, as if he were reading the comments on this thread
I am looking forward to Friday. I just think the offense on a whole is going to be a mess. Especially when Tannehill goes out after his second series.
Maybe the thing I'm looking forward to the most is seeing the character of Bill Lazor's offense. If it's really similar to Philadelphia's then it should be recognizable right away, regardless of what people say about how he's most likely to keep a lot of cards close to his vest, etc.
That's how I feel as well. I've just never seen anything from Tannehill that makes me worry. The worst I can say about him is that I'd like him to be more decisive in terms of using his athleticism. But even in that I saw a big Sherman influence so it was difficult to say how much blame should be an Tannehill. And I think he has so much arm talent that even if he were always a pocket passer that rarely ran he would at a minimum be a Flacco level player. It seemed to me that Tannehill was a much better player in the games where Sherman ran a read option play early on. He just seemed to use his legs more those games to either run or just avoid the rush in the pocket. My guess is that it just got him in the mindset to use his legs rather than stay rooted in the pocket. That or it just made the D a little more hesitant and Tannehill just looked quicker against a hesitating opponent. Either way I think that in a system like what I expect to see from Lazor that he'll be encouraged to run more and that we'll get a better indication of Tannehill's outside the pocket play-making ability. I think his inside the pocket play-making ability is very good. Even the long ball concerns I don't put primarily on Tannehill. In my experience most QBs with a strong enough arm tend to be fairly similar in terms of throwing long. The differences in success are largely based on the system (play timing and frequency) and the talent around him (OL and WRs). I don't expect that Tannehill is any different. Basically, I see Tannehill as a high upside, low downside player. I believe that with experience he'll end up somewhere between Flacco and Aaron Rodgers.
That seems most likely, though Brenner could make it ahead of Fox, if they feel Thomas can be the 3rd or 4th OT. Brenner has PS eligibility though, and they may try that route with him.
could you describe what you mean by that, so lets say that the offense will indeed be very vanilla, what is a factor to see if its really philly like ? is it the pace ? i guess if its vanilla they won't shift much at all either, maybe i should look at some philly games from preseason last year
The changes that have taken place are purported to be fundamental changes. Just because the offense is not game-planned doesn't mean you won't see those changes if they are indeed fundamental. Keep track of shotgun tendencies. Are they running out of the shotgun? Is it some of the time, half the time or pretty much most of the time? Number of zone-reads. Portion of passing game that involves a play-fake. Tendency to call runs versus pass on certain downs and distance (e.g. 3rd & 2, 3rd & 3, 1st & 10). Ratio of deep passes. Quarterback drop depth. The way the running back is used. Pre-snap motion, motion at-the-snap, and formation shifts. Situations in which they go no-huddle. One thing I am confident we will see is fast pace from huddle to getting lined up. However, is that sharpness blunted by pre-snap motion or formation shifts?
Omar effing Kelly, but i'm with you DJ, i already stated days ago, the way he is moving doesnt look like he will miss another 90 days, they allowed him to speak to the media too
Kelly after watching him do a ladder drill.. I saw some movement on some resistance bands that stuck me as unusual considering the info we were fed, he didn't look like he was moving like a guy who was gonna miss 8 weeks of the regular season..once I saw that, I put together some of the interviews I saw during the OTA's, on top of that, the balls to go out publicly so quickly after surgery and party your *** off without your shirt.. I stated that I Thought there was a chance he would be ready to go to start the season, but that he would be ready no later than after the bye...just a bunch of hunches, alongside some video, alongside some exp in rehab.
I thought Brenner was no longer eligible, but it appears you are correct. I don't see them cutting Fox though, starting Thomas and James at the book ends seems risky if(when) Albert gets hurt. I think that Philbin would prefer more experience if(when) that happens.
Sorry, I didn't mean you can continue to do that and win. I just meant some QBs known for INTs have still won (when they put it together for long enough), so I still hold out hope for Ryan as long as he keeps getting the TDs up. He obviously is not going to be Rodgers, Brady level. Also the turnovers I'm assuming you are counting fumbles too which I'm hoping will improve with protection and better awareness.
He hasn't been able to stay healthy, so doesn't have the big totals, but injuries are tough to predict. At the time he signed, and not assuming multiple injuries, it seemed like a good deal for the Reds to me.
Fox probably has more physical talent at OT than Garner does, but Fox is so injury prone. Garner seems like an iron man in comparison. Some have mentioned that due to his salary, and very pedestrian talent level, that Garner could the surprise cut.
Man Barry Jackson really going for the kill with Daniel Thomas. Goes at length about guys like Damien Williams and Mike Gillislee looking good, then mentions that just before Daniel Thomas pulled up lame he blew a blocking assignment that allowed Philip Wheeler to get in for the sack. BJack has been dog-piling on Daniel Thomas since camp started with notes like that. I'm not saying it's unwarranted, but it's pretty clear where Jackson is going with the stuff. Incidentally reading the rest of the article, yikes...walking wounded all the sudden. Now Caleb Sturgis is hurt along with a bunch of others. Egnew getting checked for concussions. Could see a lot of players we otherwise hoped to catch glimpses of not end up participating Friday.
Tom Brady averaged 190 yards per game with 18 TDs and 12 INTs in his 2nd season, Aaron Rodgers threw 7 passes in his first three seasons. Tannehill averaged 244 yards per game with 24 TDs and 17 INTs in his second season. I'm not saying Tannehill WILL be as good as those two, but let's not pretend like either of them just came into the league as elite QBs. Give the kid some time to develop, preferably in a stable environment, and let's see what happens. IMO he has the potential to be very good.
Daniel Thomas has not had one standout practice and his numbers from the scrimmage was the worst of all the RBs. It's time to end this experiment.
LOL I see where you get that one loss this year? I tell you beating you guys down there will be no easy feat. We have to be on our game otherwise you guys will beat us like last time. Honestly though if we could kill the Jets and Pats and lose to you guys I wont mind as much
That' pretty much how I see it...maybe it's the optimist in me haha. And a few other points that make me optimistic today was an outlier and won't continue: - Missing Clay, Wallace, Hartline (who WOULDN'T suffer in that situation) - Uber DBs making INTs against 3s and below, well, Davis isn't, but he's known to figure out what they're running in practice and sitting on it - This practice was about throwing to a spot, refer back to previous points Best thing to me is the fact the O line isn't being slaughtered anymore for bad snaps/blown assignments/getting smoked right off the bat. Seems the fast unleash is helping the O line...how much did we ask for this stuff last year? I wish they'd settle on a 5 and get these false starts worked out...always something to work on I guess. As long as they continue to improve, and 2nd/3rd WRs/TEs can get a kick in the *** for route discipline, I'm liking our chances of coming out of this camp/pre-season ready for the season.
For the first time I actually believe our OC isn't full of **** when he says he wants faster tempo. In that scrimmage they were running no huddle. You hear that they do that in practice too. Lazor is changing the offensive mindset i think. If we can sustain drives, the opposing DE's will be exhausted by the end of each series and dead by the 4th qtr.
I was on the team site, during some interview..I couldn't tell ya who, I watch all of them, sorry..I rewinded it a couple times, he was in a nice crouch, showed good technique, good lateral movement with resistance.
Not with Joey Votto, and I'd argue vehemently that hitting with runners on is much different than with no one on - moving runners over, getting them in, trying to hit to opposite field to do the former two things, etc. He approaches at bats the way a #2 hitter in a lineup does...the Reds are paying him to be a poor man's Miguel Cabrera. The sickening part is they haven't even STARTED paying him on his extension. Votto's making $12M this year, $14M next year, and $20-25M every year thereafter until 2023. That's a TERRIBLE deal any way you slice it because he's over 30, doesn't hit for power (only two seasons over 25 HRs), doesn't drive in runs (only two seasons over 100 RBI), and doesn't get on base as often as he should. At one point this year, he was under .200 with RISP and I think he was [barely] over .225 when he hit the DL again. He's tissue paper soft. His defense has also dropped significantly the past two seasons. Since his NL MVP Season in 2010 when he hit 113 RBIs, he's gone 103, 56, 73, and 23 in RBIs, with bloated strikeout numbers in 2013 and the beginning of this year. You can cherry-pick some stats from 2012, but you have to remember he missed 50+ games that year. With the Reds as a whole you have AWFUL deals given to Jay Bruce - terribly overrated; Homer Bailey - terribly overrated/alcohol issues, Sean Marshall - played like 12 games the past two seasons, along with Votto. They're going to end up losing Johnny Cueto or Mat Latos because of those deals, guaranteed, and both Cueto and Latos are better than any of those guys. They've also bastardized their farm system to build around Joey Votto...and it's damn near blown up in their faces. Their starting pitching, plus Chapman, is the reason they've been plus/minus 5 games of .500 all season.
