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Dolphins Training Camp 2014

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan40, Jul 24, 2014.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    If Bill Lazor sticks around for multiple years and really is running the Kelly system then I could foresee the need to draft a running back high.

    The reason is because this running style doesn't necessarily afford specialists. You can't just be good at zone or power, because the inside-zone run plays (which are the foundation of the offense) are tied and connected with power run plays which are used as a counter to the inside-zone run plays. You can't just have one guy in to run the inside-zone and another guy to run power. That would defeat the point. Outside-zone is also a big part of this offense, and that can be a different skill set altogether compared with inside-zone or power (think Percy Harvin, De'Anthony Thomas). To be fair, the outside-zone plays could probably be run by a specialist. But inside-zone and power probably need to be the same guy.

    Add onto that the demands on the position in the passing game, both pass catching and blocking, and then have as an undercurrent of all this the fact that the Chip Kelly offense is probably THE most run-committed offense that you're likely to see in today's NFL on a consistent basis...and it would make sense that you really need to find a high-caliber, "do it all" guy.

    In that way, Chip was lucky he went to Philadelphia where LeSean McCoy was already stationed. But consider that for all of Bryce Brown's talent, they traded him away because ultimately they didn't feel like he could do EVERYTHING. That's probably an indication of how demanding this system could be on the tailback.
     
  2. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    call me crazy but i still believe lamar miller can be that guy
     
  3. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Melvin Gordon!
     
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  4. ckparrothead

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    I've really got to do a better dive on him to determine if he's that versatile but he absolutely is dripping with talent.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes
     
  6. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    if its a runner it would be todd gurley for me, the way he runs and breaks tackles reminds me of #28 from the vikings
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    Jury still out of course but while Todd Gurley looks as versatile and NFL-ready as you say, ultimately I wonder if he's a great yard gainer.

    I think Ameer Abdullah warrants a strong look. He's impressed me several times.

    Here, watch this tape of Ameer Abdullah. You see so much of EXACTLY what he would be doing in a Chip Kelly offense. The touchdown around the minute mark was straight up inside zone with exactly the same quarterback-running back alignment you'd see in a Chip Kelly offense. He powered his way for the score. The next play you see him line up as a slot receiver, get open and make a nice catch and run off the out route.

    [video=youtube;5Xqv58i8Nzk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5Xqv58i8Nzk[/video]
     
  8. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Didn't Maynard have to return those to FinD? :shifty:
     
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  9. Limbo

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    Yeah I think it's a different animal at the pro level.

    From a 'new wave' of offense perspective, I'm curious to see what we and Philly do this year obviously. But the other team that might have some funky stuff going on is Tampa, oddly enough. Tedford was one of the more intriguing OC candidates this year along with Lazor from the standpoint of doing some new creative stuff. And he has some interesting tools in the kit there, with giant pass catchers (VJackson, MEvans, ASJ, TWright as a slot) and lots of speed in the backfield. I don't know what they'll get from the QB, but from a schematic standpoint they could be really interesting to watch.

    I'm also interested in seeing which guys get cut from their backfield, lol. They're probably going to cut two out of: Doug Martin, Charles Sims, Bobby Rainey, Mike James, Jeff Demps, Javorskie Lane, Lonnie Pryor. Them's some good pickings.
     
  10. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    Hopefully RB Damien Williams makes the team as the 4th RB and moves up the ladder
     
  11. ckparrothead

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    They've been raving about Charles Sims because of the total package he represents. He and Marion Grice were the two tailbacks I had graded as the two guys who differentiated themselves from the all the other tailbacks when it came to pass catching out of the backfield. They have legit wide receiver skills.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    nfl.com
     
  13. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Who got cut when Brett Brackett was resigned, and Moreno activated from PUP?
     
  14. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They're going to stream all the preseason games (for free)? That would be a joy.
     
  15. Alex13

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    WR Stephen Williams for Brackett, no idea who got cut for Moreno
     
  16. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    Straw men fall easier
     
  17. RoninFin4

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    Players on PUP during Training Camp count as part of your 90 man roster.
     
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Not free, but I'd guess anyone who can afford a computer and internet service can afford to pay for the preseason games on nfl.com. It's only like $20 or so for 4 weeks.
     
  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Omar Kelly ✔ @OmarKelly
    IF I had to rank Dolphins rookies it would go: Landry, James, Johnson, Turner, McCain, D Williams, Hoskins, Aikens, Tripp, Lynch,Fede, Hazel
     
  20. Vertical Limit

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    Dion Jordan is allowed to play preseason games right? I want to see a glimpse of our defense at full strength..
     
  21. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    We could field an entire football league with all the straw men here
     
  22. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Does anyone know the last time the Miami Dolphins had a top ten offense?
     
  23. Linus

    Linus Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It has to be around 20 years ago at this point...? We hovered around #20 or worse most of my adult life minus 2008 (as far as I recall).
     
  24. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    For someone bemoaning straw men arguments you certainly don't hesitate to erect a few of your own with words like "eh out goes half the playbook..and back to the old ways of our past."

    So...yeah. We could field an entire football league with all the straw men here.
     
  25. Rocky Raccoon

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    Jersey
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  26. Disgustipate

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  27. djphinfan

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    Yes.
     
  28. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Fair enough...Ill concede that.
     
  29. PhinsRDbest

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    First I've heard about Johnson
     
  30. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Who is Johnson?
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Anthony Johnson?
     
  32. ckparrothead

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    Fede being listed second-to-last raises some concern about the list in general, IMO.
     
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  33. RalphX19X

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    Anthony Johnson LSU DT? I thought he was hurt and hadn't been practicing though.
     
  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    It doesn't surprise me because Omar is proud of the fact he doesn't pay much attention to anything below 2nd string.
     
  35. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    He doesn't? BLANK STARE

    /dooces
     
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  36. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    ggatg
     
  37. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Didn't he only start adopting that after the whole "Hey, who here hasn't shot at someone else with the intent to kill them?" fiasco?

    **EDIT**

    Nope, he's been doing that forever. The GGATG thing I mean, not shooting at people (he said it was just once).
     
  38. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Wait..is he ranking them by how good he thinks they are...or how much of a chance they have to make the 53?
     
  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'd guess Anthony, but we also have the Temple DT, Kamal Johnson currently on the roster.
     
  40. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'm guessing by well they've performed in his opinion.
     

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