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2014 Armchair GMs Dynasty League - Discussion Forum

Discussion in 'Fantasy Football' started by GridIronKing34, Jul 16, 2014.

  1. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Dude, with all due respect, if you truly believed that, then why would you be trading him for another RB :lol:
     
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  2. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Read the previous posts. Age. I'm rebuilding and he's a few years older. By the time my team is ready to contend, he will just be another year older with less value.

    And yes I do truly believe that. Best believe if he's available late round one in a redraft league I would take foster. Gamble on greatness everyday of the week
     
  3. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Guessing you'll have Foster on most of your re-draft teams then because I wouldn't draft him in round one.
     
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  4. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I have done my fair share of mock drafts and Foster has never went round 1. Foster actually in a worse situation for a team to win now as Houston is going to be TERRIBLE then you look at Green Bay and Lacy having a terrific rookie year this is just straight downgrading.
     
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  5. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Right and im cool with that. My point is though that especially in a dynasty league, teams will value established players differently. No one should be determining player values unless its Arian Foster for another teams 3rd round pick type give away deals. I dont understand why people are commenting on player values publicly when I didnt do that despite the though of giving away an 1100 yard wr for a 10 spot jump in the draft was vile to me. I dont agree with a lot of trades that get made. But if thats the way you think this league should go down...
     
  6. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    People have always had the option to veto a trade. This isn't some new thing that is now being implemented.

    If the trade passes through the system then it goes through. I'm not going to do anything other than follow the same protocol that happens for every trade. If there was a draft day trade that people felt should be vetoed, I have always said that if you can find 4 other managers that also want to veto the trade then I would cancel it.
     
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  7. Boik14

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    How do you know Houston will be terrible? They have a good defense. They have a good rushing game and decent OL and WR oplay. They are a year removed from being a playoff team. They wont win the SB imo but 7-9/9-7 is certainly within reach imo. Lacy came off a concussion. Thats a lot more severe then a hamstring.
     
  8. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know and thats the first trade I can recall being vetoed in the history of the league. There have been a lot worse trades then that. A whole lot more.
     
  9. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Boik you're one of the best at trading in any format.

    I just don't see Foster having a better year than Lacy unless Lacy went down with an injury. At this point Lacy is a better fantasy option with more upside. Its really trying to trade .75 for $1.00
     
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  10. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Thanks for the nice words. I just generally let anyone elses trades pass through unless its a deal I feel is a giveaway deal so its just hard for me to comprehend when others find my deals objectionable since Im the last to object to others deals. Frustrates the snot out of me to put it nicely. I just dont play that way. Like I said, its a dynasty league so you will have multiple opinions about the same player. Just because a few find it objectionable doesnt mean it is
     
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  11. ToddPhin

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    No, you have your trades confused. I traded a 2nd & Hartline for the #10 pick, not a future 2nd rounder.

    Regardless, you still got a higher draft pick back than you gave up, which is just insane considering it's you who should be the one giving up draft picks to trade a unanimous Tier 3 dynasty RB for consensus a Tier 1.

    well then you're disagreeing with the entire internet and every expert, every ADP value, every dynasty ranking, and every re-draft ranking you can find on it. I'm not the one in the minority here. You are.

    Again, you yourself have VOIDED trades b/c one player wasn't healthy at the time. Please follow your own standards.

    Exactly, you're rebuilding b/c this is a DYNASTY LEAGUE, and in a dynasty league you know the young Lacy has immensely more value than an injured and questionable Foster who hasn't played since the middle of last year.

    As for me, I traded Hartline and a 2nd for one of my favorite dynasty receivers in the draft- Kelvin Benjamin who is already the #1 WR in Carolina. If you think I'm trying to tank the year then you need to open your eyes or uncross them b/c you're clearly not seeing straight. I went from the unquestioned worst roster and worst starting team with nothing at QB or TE to now a team that could conceivably finish middle of the road and get hot at the end of the year. If anyone is trying to tank this season in order to build the future it's you trading Vincent Jackson, your so-called "1000/8" James Jones, and a running back that you allegedly rank better than Lacy this year.

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  12. Boik14

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    Todd I'm going to pound it through your head....everyone is going to have a different valuation of players in a dynasty league and your value or my value doesn't override the next persons. I thought your value of Hartline was awful at best. I supported your right to make the deal because you're rebuilding and your value of Hartline is different then other teams. Even if it's not of this caliber it's still a valid comparison. Your responses mean little because frankly you don't even want to read what I have to say so the feeling is mutual.
     
  13. ToddPhin

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    This is all that's needed for an argument against this trade:

    Since yesterday, FantasyFootballCalculator.com has Lacy's Average Draft Position at 6.6 in a 12 Team PPR/Flex out of 768 mock drafts.

    Foster's is 21.6. This is for re-draft remind you. As you can see you're trying to trade a bottom 2nd rounder for a Top 7 pick, both of whom are running backs, and one of whom is currently injured.

    Now, IN DYNASTY FORMAT the disparity is even worse, much worse. Lacy is a consensus Tier 1 RB everywhere you look and with a Top 12 overall ranking. Foster on the other hand is consistently a Tier 3 RB [ranked roughly 15th on average] and ranked roughly 42nd overall. In Dynasty format that's essentially trading a consensus 1st round RB for a 4th rounder. Nothing about that is fair.

    Please stop acting like this is a re-draft league instead of a dynasty. There's a few dozen young ascending players who would go ahead of Hartline in a dynasty draft even though their stats aren't there yet. Even in re-draft leagues, FantasyFootballCalculator has Hartline's current ADP at 148 in a 12 team PPR/Flex format out of 768 mocks since yesterday. In our own Armchair League, Yahoo has his projected ranking at 118th. Yes he's a viable WR3/Flex, but that's his ceiling. I traded that and a 2nd for a receiver with a WR1 ceiling.

    If you think Foster is the better back now then you and Bigs might be a few of the only people on the planet to believe so, outside of Houston fans or people waking up from an 10 month coma. :tongue2:
     
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    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    I wont veto for a 3rd :shifty:
     
  15. ToddPhin

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    No, not everyone. Show me one expert, site, or whatever that ranks Arian Foster ahead of Eddie Lacy, regardless of format. There's zero logic behind it in dynasty format whatsoever. Trading Lacy for Foster in a dynasty league is the equivalent silliness of trading Peyton Manning for Eli Manning in a re-draft league. Nobody would accept a trade like that.
     
  16. Boik14

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    That's your opinion and I frankly don't care for it. There's quite honestly nothing you can say that would convince me Lacy would be a better pick then Foster this year. Your car salesman tactics work with others, not this guy buddy. Keep it movin.

    The comparison is nothing like what you describe but now that you're being assertive with your opinion you can expect the same.
     
  17. ToddPhin

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    Firstly, there are only two entities responsible for assigning Foster a proper value as it pertains to this trade, and the guy trying to trade Foster away certainly is NOT one of them. Foster's value has already been established via the endless amount of expert rankings and current ADP's which can be found online. Lacy's as well. Your own personal alleged opinion of Foster is insignificant. Yes, you can determine how much you're willing to sacrifice Foster for but your lone opinion doesn't determine his value, and it especially doesn't get the luxury of jacking that value up and masking it behind the argument that it's your "opinion". If BigE believes Foster will rebound and have a long career while expecting Lacy to tank or suffer career ending injury, he's certainly entitled to that opinion, however he should NOT be paying infinitely more than the consensus perceived value of Foster, nor should he be selling Lacy at infinitely less than his widespread perceived value. That's what makes this trade voidable- that you're trying to inflate Foster's dynasty value beyond recognition while deflating Lacy's and then trading Foster at that grossly inflated price.

    If you want Lacy to help bring future championships and make your team better for years to come, then trade for him at his current value and using Foster's current value rather than your ridiculously inflated one b/c there's no goddam way you're trading a 4th round Dynasty RB for a 1st round one. If you want one of the most coveted players in dynasty football, bring more to the table, a lot more, so that this resembles something other than trade molestation or collusion.

    Secondly, LOL at you thinking my trade of Hartline was vile. Overdramatic much? He's a goddam WR3 and an insurance policy for Doc just as he stated. You won't find a competent GM alive saying "OH YEAH, I've got Brian Hartline as my WR2!! Championship!!". I traded him and a 2nd for what hopefully becomes an upgrade at WR2, which I wouldn't have gotten otherwise. I'd curious to hear why you think Hartline and a 2nd for Kelvin Benjamin is such a vile thing [outside of your own opinion of Benjamin of course, which is irrelevant].
     
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    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    This is ****in fantasy football... not a white paper dick wads. Refuse to read.
     
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  19. GridIronKing34

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    Trade appears to have been vetoed.
     
  20. ToddPhin

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    You're the one arguing against the overwhelming OVERWHELMING belief about Foster's value and his value compared to Lacy's, yet I'm the one employing car salesman tactics? :unsure: yeah ok. You're subjectively pushing Foster's value so high in car salesman fashion that we're all left wondering why the heck you're trying to trade him in the first place since it obviously contradicts your alleged opinion. I on the other hand am using every Fantasy Football website under the sun, every expert ranking, every expert mock draft, and every ADP I can find to objectively and accurately assess Foster's value.

    You're the one being assertive with your opinion by trying to suggest that your alleged value of Foster trumps all. All I'm doing is arguing against your grossly unshared opinion of him.
    Here's my factual support, as you've already seen, but since you seem inclined to ignore it, I'm gonna post it here as well. I'd appreciate it if you provided some of your own that doesn't involve personal opinion.

    Fantasy Pros consensus rankings

    RB [avg from all 32 experts]: Lacy #3, Foster #16.
    Overall [avg from all 21 experts]: Lacy #9, Foster #37.
    Overall from the top 5 experts [4 from PFF and 1 from Fantasy Football Empire]: Lacy #6 [RB3], Foster #30 [RB15]
    http://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/rankings/dynasty-overall.php

    ESPN Insider's top 100 Dynasty
    Lacy #2 RB, #7 overall. Foster isn't in the top 7 RB or top 20 overall.

    Rotoworld's Dynasty RB rankings [prior to Foster's recent hamstring injury]
    Tier 1
    1. LeSean McCoy
    2. Jamaal Charles
    3. Eddie Lacy
    Tier 3
    12. Zac Stacy
    13. Arian Foster
    14. Spiller
    15. Vereen
    16. Ellington
    17. Sankey

    Fantasy Football Toolbox dynasty RB
    Lacy #4 [#11 overall], Foster #17 [#43 overall]

    Fantasy Football Today
    Lacy- tier 1, Foster- tier 3.

    Fantasy Sharks
    Lacy #4 RB, Foster #12

    Dynasty Nerds
    Lacy #3 RB, Foster #18

    Dynasty League Football
    Lacy #4 RB [#11 overall], Foster #20 [#43 overall]

    Eat Drink and Sleep Football
    Lacy #3 RB, Foster#14

    How about re-draft rankings for just 2014?
    ESPN Top 300 PPR
    Lacy #6 overall [$53 auction value], Foster #16 [$39]

    SI.com Top 300 [re-draft]
    Lacy #6 overall [$48], Foster #16 [$38].

    NFL.com Top 200
    Lacy #5 overall, Foster #10

    Yahoo Top 150
    Lacy #5 overall [#5 RB], Foster #16 [#9 RB]

    FantasyAlarm.com's PPR
    Lacy #5 RB [tier 1], Foster #13 [tier 3]

    CBS Top 200 PPR
    Lacy #12.5 overall, Foster #17

    Fox Sports Top 200 [pre Foster hamstring injury]
    Lacy #7 overall, Foster #11

    Football.com
    Lacy #7 RB [#11 overall], Foster #10 RB [#17 overall

    KFF PPR
    Lacy #6 RB, Foster #7 RB

    How about Average Draft Position [re-draft]?
    Fantasy Football Calculator 12 Team Flex/PPR[data collected from 768 mock drafts since yesterday]Lacy 6.6, Foster 21.6

    Yahoo

    Lacy 4.9, Foster 14.5

    CBS
    Lacy 7.5, Foster 15.7 [with an arrow down]

    Fox Sports

    Lacy 7.9, Foster 12.5

    ESPN
    Lacy 8.7, Foster 12.7

    NFL.com
    Lacy 7.0, Foster 10.1

    How about a recent expert mock drafts [re-draft format]?

    Rotoworld's 12 team PPR mock last Monday
    Lacy drafted #7 overall, Foster #22

    I couldn't find one site that listed Foster ahead of Lacy in any shape or form. NOT. ONE. SITE. Those are the facts.
     
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    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
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  22. SICK

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    Now I don't feel as offended for Todd being pissed I took time to draft in the 3rd round of our dynasty draft.....he OBVIOUSLY has no life.
     
  23. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Like Todd would have just ONE CRT Monitor.
     
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  24. Boik14

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    This is precisely wrong. If this were true then every trade we make would have to be sufficiently balanced according to scale. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You are dealing with opinions and like I said, yours carries no less weight then mine or the next guys but no more then anyone elses either just like my opinion. I love Foster. If my team were further along Id never have even offered the deal. As it is, you have sufficiently devalued my asset. Prepare to have the same done to you.


    So if we're talking about perceived values, then Reggie Wayne isnt worth a 3rd right since hes 35 and coming off a major injury? Then Khiry Robinson is just a speculative add with some upside who hasnt done a whole lot that you were praying to get something of value for right?

    I didnt try and inflate Fosters value. Hes a top 5 fantasy back when hes healthy. Yes his health is a risk but hes done something Lacy has never done and that is be a consensus top 3 pick for the 3 years prior to this. For the last 3 years prior to last it was him or AP going 1 overall with him averaging 4.5 ypc, getting between 12-18 TD per season, 40 catches for 3 straight years and between 1600-2200 yards combined. Not only did I not inflate his value, I undervalued him if anything. Hes in his age 27 season. Hes still got at least 2-3 prime years left. I chose to try and make a move for a player I like. Now the value will only go up if he is healthy unless Big E wants the amended version of the deal.

    You dont get to decide what Lacys value is and neither does a 3rd party in my world. Thats just not the way I do fantasy rankings. If you need a magazine buddy, you already lost. Get real.

    A WR3/Flex play who is coming off back to back 1000 yard seasons is worth more then a 10 spot jump. Only rookies make trades like that and proceed to run their mouths like they know what the hell they're talking about.

    I actually love Benjamin. I said in one of the threads in the mains pre draft that he was the one player I most wanted us to have. It was no secret I loved Jordan Mathews and Bishop Sankey but I was one of the few on the Benjamin bandwagon. I felt he was a good WR who was safe because he could add 10LBs and play TE in a worst case scenario. It wasn't the player you picked putz, it was that you gave away Hartline for virtually nothing that I found vile. I still find it vile. But i supported you at the time over Trowa's objection because like I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I dont get to make player values for your team just as I feel you or anyone else shouldn't be telling me how my players are valued. You may not agree with my values but thats not your decision to make.
     
  25. ToddPhin

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    ... or I type extremely fast and take fantasy football as seriously as the guy who fought tooth and nail for this trade to go through. :shifty:

    I wouldn't have been annoyed in the least if you didn't stop in to tell us you were protesting FinD's banishment and subsequently disappearing without making a pick. Maybe it was overdramatic on my part but I felt that if you were already here and knew you'd be too busy to make your pick for a while that you could've given us a heads up about it is all.
    and shaddup.
     
  26. ToddPhin

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    ....or fourteen stomachs.
     
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    I'll listen to offers on Doug Martin. Looking for a WR.
     
  28. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    It's actually impressive he only has two chins.
     
  29. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    LOL yeah.... and also that he was able to pull up his shorts. He looks like a soft-served ice cream cone.
    You should superimpose that for us.
     
  30. ToddPhin

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    :lol:..... err :pity:

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    Ya know, funny how much your perspective can change by having a crappy team. Trowa recently cut Cecil Shorts b/c he's loaded at WR and had little roster room for him. Meanwhile I'm excited as hell just to have the guy I wanted in the 3rd round, John Brown, make it to FA who hasn't caught a pass yet in a real season game. Plus being ecstatic about adding my real life draft crush Branden Oliver who might've otherwise remained a FA for a while since he'll have to be stashed for that long while he's in a crowded backfield.

    However, a positive spin I can say is I'll have an opportunity to do what many of you can't, which is have the roster space to allow lesser round rookies or project players to marinate and develop. No uncomfortable positions of having to decide whether or not to cut a Jordan Reed or the like at the start of a season.
     
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    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    and who the **** would cut Jordan Reed
     
  32. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I did. It was at the beginning of last season before he broke out.
     
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    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Damnit GiK... Im trying to hate on Todd here
     
  34. ToddPhin

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    what's shingles gotta do with it?
     
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    I'm a little late now but I just started reading all this. Little confused why ANY trade would be veto'ed in our league. Its a dynasty league, owners are going to have different strategies for long term and short term. What is going to happen when I start to fall out of contention and want to tank for talent? Tanking is a strategy in our format, if you don't like that then dynasty is not for you. Now, I understand that this is not a tanking situation, but if this was turned down whats going to happen when I try to trade Ray Rice or Chris Johnson for a draft pick? Why did we let some of the draft day trades happen then?

    People value players differently for different reasons. I for example am extremely high on Dwayne Allen. I might be the only person in this league that thinks he could become a top 8-10 TE. I might be wrong but I deserve to take that shot. Yes, Lacy is younger but what does age really matter to a team whose star players only have a few years left? We are talking about a team that has Tom Brady, Frank Gore, Marques Colston, and Antonio Gates. If that owner thinks that Foster will have a better year than Lacy than they should be allowed to take that shot and go for it this year. It is their team let them manage it the way they want to. What is E would of won a championship because of this deal? Is it crazy then? BTW since I saw some rankings were posted; on footballguys 2 of the 5 "guru's" for dynasty ranked Foster higher than Lacy.

    "But Lacy is so much younger." Who cares? We see this all the time. Someone has so much hype behind them and then turns out to be nothing. Look at Trent Richardson last year. He was viewed as the future. He was a sure fire top 10 pick in any league. You would of gotten killed if you traded him. And you know what...if you traded him for just DeAngelo Williams then your team would of been better off. Sure I'm cherry picking that deal but look at all the RBs that have been bust based off what we thought about them one or two years into their career. Names like Reggie Bush, Ben Tate, Ryan Mathews, C.J. Spiller, Richardson, Lamar Miller, Shonn Greene, Darren McFadden, Mark Ingram, LeGarrette Blount, Roy Helu, Rashard Mendenhall and Jonathan Stewart. People thought you would of been nuts to trade them. Sure they had some decent years but if you traded them at the peak of their value you would of made a killing.

    I would not of made that trade myself. I don't even think its close but isn't this part of fantasy sports? You can fleece your friends and make fun of them later about it. Especially in a league that's not even a pay league. Who does it even hurt? I've been playing fantasy for a bunch of years(I don't claim to be an expect) and history has shown me that usually the people that veto trades are the people who are mad they didn't make the trade themselves. Or they veto because it makes a team better than theirs. Which is the whole reason you make a trade to begin with. I have also never been a fan of the email league to encourage votes. I don't even know who the sender was but let the owners make their own decision. If they think its unfair they'll vote for it.
     
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  36. ToddPhin

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    Save this for me in case he breaks out next year.
     
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  37. BuckeyeKing

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    I cut Cecil because quite frankly I have too many WR2/3 on my roster.
     
  38. ToddPhin

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    Nothing.... unless you receive a pair of first rounders for them. It's not the trade of Lacy itself that's the problem. It's the compensation that made this one ridiculous. The Lacy trade is a back for a back. It's easy to evaluate since one back [Lacy] is a consensus tier 1 RB in dynasty format while the other is a consensus tier 3. That's an overwhelming fact.

    So if you wanna compare apples to apples in a trade example, this would be like you trying to trade me the #14 pick for the #2 pick and then rationalizing it under the argument that it's your opinion the #14 pick could actually end up becoming more valuable than the #2.
     
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    This is exactly my point. That first paragraph... You don't determine trade values. Let rebuilding teams rebuild. A Chris Johnson or a Ray Rice or any Rb/player towards the end of their career is not going to have the same value to them. If they feel the trade is appropriate value then like PTG said dynasty isn't for you. Unless it's a throw away deal like if I trade foster for a second for example, then you can't pretend like you know the value of a player and what their intentions are for that team. Like he said tanking is a legit strategy in fantasy just like in the NBA. Draft picks in a dynasty league have a lot of value. That's where you're finding those stars not on the FA wire so much.
     
  40. ToddPhin

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    yes but unfortunately this has nothing to do with you tanking 2014 for the future. You are not in the majority of people thinking Foster will have a better season than Lacy. In fact you're in the extreme minority, as in- I've yet to find any site, any expert, any ADP, or any reputable mock draft ANYWHERE on the internet that has Foster ahead of Lacy in re-draft leagues. Lacy is so consistently rated ahead of Foster that the person perceived as tanking this year is BigE, not you.

    As far as the first bold part goes... WADR, I wasn't the one trying to treat the trade like this a re-draft league where Lacy's future value and Foster's lack-there-of are insignificant. If you choose to ignore Lacy & Foster's DYNASTY value, which currently features a wide gap between them, then perhaps you're the one who dynasty isn't for. Not saying that to be dickish. Saying it b/c it seems more appropriate than how you're suggesting it to me. After all, it didn't take one person to veto this trade, and I didn't cast everyone's vote for them. I might be the most vocal about it, but I am NOT the only one to veto it. I vetoed the trade with the same mindset that I'd use in vetoing a trade of a 3rd rounder for a 1st, and you arguing that it should be acceptable b/c the 3rd rounder could defy the odds and outperform the 1st rounder isn't enough to rationalize it and sway my consideration.

    Football is a "what have you done for me lately" league. What Foster did 2 years ago is irrelevant until he steps foot on the field again to change it, and as of now, he hasn't played a snap since injuring his back last year [which required surgery I might add] and injuring his hamstring this offseason. So you can not treat him like he's 100% and back to his 26 year old, less tread-worn form of 2012 until he steps foot on the field again and shows it. Assumptions don't fly here, especially not when trading for a elite dynasty player. Lacy is currently healthy and didn't end last year on IR. Foster did.
     

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