I don't think Tebow alone repairs the locker room culture, but is capable of providing a bright spot within it At this point, he's best bet is to be a 3rd stringer and come in off the bench for a suite of Florida Gator plays. That alone would be more than you get out of a typical third stringer.
What do you people honestly think Moore's value is out there? lol... He's more valuable to us as a backup quarterback than a sixth/seventh round pick which is all we would get for him. This is for the 3rd string role and that means good bye Devlin.
What are you talking about? Are you really saying NFL QBs don't have the time to improve their QB play? Really? Why workout a player that has been horrible, if the most realistically he could contribute is 2nd string if they bring with them a media storm? That's a false equivalence. Based on Tebow's actual play on an NFL field, there's no reason to clamor for him, unless one is a Gator fan or a fan of what he does off the field. Clamoring for him is like clamoring for Sanchez, (but Sanchez is a better QB). He can't help it. He didn't help the Pounceys and he certainly didn't help Hernandez when they were just impressionable college kids. There is no way Tebow, is going to help change a locker room full of grown millionaires who only respect people that can actually play at a high level. It is guaranteed. Its happened every where he's gone. A workout will bring 24/7 news tot the team's TC. Every player will be questioned about it and it will be a distraction.
I'm telling you I would be shocked if anyone in the Dolphins brain trust is even considering that at the moment, with Pat Devlin having had to miss so much time in camp with an injury. You have to understand there are so many people putting in so many thousands of man-hours that they are absolutely terrified of the possibility of all that going up in smoke as if it never happened just because your starting quarterback got hurt for a stretch of games. Start monkeying around with the backup QB position and you open yourself for exactly that. Remember when Jay Fiedler went down for a stretch of 6 games and the Dolphins missed the playoffs because Ray Lucas couldn't even do a mediocre job as his backup? Remember how Ricky Williams was having one of the best seasons any of us had ever even seen a running back have that year, and of course the defense was still led by all the same pro bowlers we all knew and loved...but no playoffs. It's as if they season never happened. All that work...for nothing. Because JAY FIEDLER of all quarterbacks got hurt. There's a reason that consensus backup QBs make even more money than most STARTING tailbacks and the like. Consider that for a moment. Consider what that implies in terms of value to the team, that NFL teams allocate that much money to a backup quarterback. And as far as backup quarterbacks go around the league, Moore is in relatively high standing. I doubt it's even a thought in their head right now that they're giving all these QBs tryouts to see if they could get away with cutting or trading Matt Moore. This has a lot more to do IMO with Devlin's injuries.
Between the three reported names of Grossman, Skelton and Quinn, I prefer Grossman.. Mostly because he has experience leading a team to playoffs.. Doubt we would have to resort to our third option this season but you know it's playoffs or fired for Philbin this season.
A. He tried that for two years and was too stubborn to change anything. His motion was ostensibly the same one as in college. B. If his motion was really changed, he'd have already put tape out there and would be sending it to ESPN, NFL Network and every team in the league to show his motion and his accuracy had changed dramatically. He doesn't need to be brought in to see that. The answer is simple - it's a waste of time and a total distraction.
man i still have thoughts about this team, what would have happened if Fiedler does not break his thumb in the denver game
Please...this team was enough of a circus last year. Last thing we need is another clown to come running out of the car.
A friggin broken thumb. Of all stinking no-good players in the world, Jay Fiedler throws a ball and bangs his thumb on a helmet, bam the season's over. Nobody loves that idea, but the coaches and players are the ones who feel the sting the most because they're the ones that put in so many hours and personal sacrifices every season...and that's why the backup quarterback will continue to be a more important position to teams than most fans generally think.
It's not the throwing motion. At this point if he could throw a football accurately he would be in the league right now regardless of the throwing motion. Byron Leftwich kicked around the league forever and he had way too big a loop on his throwing motion. The guy can't make a football go from Point A to Point B with reliable frequency. Can't really break it down any simpler than that.
i will never forget your quote some time ago, which i have to admit i still sometimes use on facebook, when for some reason there is tebow talk going on "Tim Tebow has the running skills of Peyton Hillis and he has the passing skills of Peyton Hillis"....lol still funny to this day
I can't answer that. I can't speak for they are or not working him out. Working out Quinn has little to do with the question of Tebow and trying to relate the two events together is likely a fallacy of argumentation.
Because while they are both terrible QBs one has media circus follow him around and the other doesn't.
Quinn was a good QB prospect who didn't pan out as a starter. Maybe he has something left as a backup. Tebow was never good passer at any point, including college.
I don't agree that Tebow is not accurate enough to be an NFL QB or with all the "he can't throw" posts and statements out there. I believe that Tebow's issue is that he struggles in a timing offense. I think that he doesn't trust his reads and either waits too long and doesn't throw or he rushes the pass (still late) and that's when he's inaccurate. He had success in Denver late b/c the OC got out of the way. Tebow threw accurate passes in those 4th quarter comebacks when he was allowed to just play. The offense wasn't based on timing at that point. He'd scramble around and buy time and when he threw it he was accurate so I don't agree that he can't be accurate. So that being said, I'm not sure that Tebow would be a great fit here b/c our offense puts a great deal of emphasis on throwing on time. But I might still be inclined to give him a workout to see if he's been able to correct things with the additional work b/c I do see him as a compelling talent at both QB and as an athlete. I don't think he has anywhere the ceiling of a Tannehill, but I do see him as the guy who could come in and rally a comeback if your QB got hurt and even be an asset at other positions. Although I also am hesitant to invite the circus that Tebow brings with him. In the end that might be the factor that makes me pass on even taking a look.
Tebow's lack of accuracy is a matter of simple, well-evidenced fact. The guy completed 46% of his friggin passes in 2011. People can go on about "in the 4th quarter..." or "when it counted..." but that's just reaching. Those aren't accuracy arguments. On a throw for throw basis, put this ball on this moving target at this distance, Tim Tebow doesn't have anywhere even CLOSE to pro level accuracy. That is just a scientific fact.
I am a Gator fan, but if I don't hesitate to say bad things about Marino (my favorite player ever) when it's warranted, I sure as heck won't hesitate to say bad things about Tebow. I just see Tebow as a limited QB, but still a viable one if used correctly. And I don't even see that as a big stretch. Here are Tebow's 4th quarter and overtime stats from 2011 (the only year he played a significant amount): Attempts: 141 Completions: 74 Yards: 1186 YPA: 8.41 TDs: 7 INTs: 4 Rating: 85.6 And that doesn't include his contributions in those situations as a runner. Those add another TD and 294 yards on 49 attempts (6.00 average). If you tell me that a young QB with off the charts leadership ability will come in and produce an 85.6 rating, a 2/1 TD/INT ratio and over 8 yards per attempt as well as be an exceptional goal line threat as long as I use him correctly, then I would call that a compelling QB talent and the onus would be on me to use him correctly.
Those are situational facts. I'm saying that the critical factor is not that the 4th quarter is "when it counted". I'm saying that he was used differently in the 4th quarter (specifically not in a timing offense) and that when not used in a timing offense his accuracy was much higher.
And here are his stats through the OTHER 75 PERCENT OF A FOOTBALL GAME. Attempts: 147 Completions: 59 Percentage: 40.0% (!!!) Yards: 730 YPA: 4.96 (!!!) TDs: 6 INTs: 2 Rating: 64.2 What Tim Tebow represents is a statistical challenge to the passer rating formula in the form of an outlier who is so incredibly inaccurate that his interception percentage is actually low, because the ball isn't even accurate enough to be intercepted. The result points toward the over-reliance on interception percentage in the formula. But the fact of the matter is if your quarterback only completes 40.0% of his passes, your offense is going nowhere.
Tebow has never been truly used correctly from the get, we've talked about this before, if you run exactly what he did in college (pure power read option spread) than I would be on that, aquire players that compliment the skillset within the offense, emphasize oline, tight ends, a deep speed threat, and an awesome sidekick and I will win you games..
That's my point. If anybody wants to say that Tebow in a timing offense is a bad QB, I'll agree. But I also think there's a great deal of evidence that he's a good QB when he's not in a timing offense. That was how he was used in college and how he was used in the NFL in the 4th quarter and overtime when the OC got desperate and took the restraints off. Now I recognize that most of the NFL uses a timing based offense (and emphasizes it to varying degrees). That's why Tebow isn't in the league now. But I also recognize that it's not the only way to win. History has shown over and over that innovations move from HS to college to the NFL. And the fact is that in college there are many successful offenses that don't emphasize timing to the same extent. And further those concepts are working in the NFL. SF would not have had anywhere near the amount of recent success without the use of the read option that played to CKap's strengths. The question is how far is a team or coach willing to alter their current system. Right now most every NFL team emphasizes getting the ball out when that back foot hits and uses reads and and roll out options as a change-up. I believe that a team could be successful reversing that. Now having said that there is a concern if you have a starting QB running one system and you have to switch everything when the back-up comes in. I wouldn't want to do that. If I were bringing in a guy like Tebow, I'd want him behind a guy like CKap. CKap, while better in a timing O than Tebow, still struggles with it. He often throws late and really just powers it in. And there's a larger emphasis on the read option to make the secondary play straight up. There would be less of a style transition in that case. I also think that Jacksonville should have brought in Tebow back when they had the chance. They had nothing at QB anyways so they could have rebuilt everything around Tebow's talents. And they would have sold a boatload of tickets in the process. And IMO they would have won more games in the process. But that's the limitation with a QB like Tebow. He's never going to work in every system.
He's an awful passer but I would have liked to see someone try to run a team with Tebow at QB in a true read option like at UF. The problem is you have to go all in with that. Who is a backup that can play the same way? How long can Tebow succeed like that? I can't see him still running over people as he gets older, and those hits will add up. He would have been amazing in the wildcat with that power OLine we had though.
