ESPN poll of league insiders rates Joe Philbin 29th best coach

Lol wrong thread.

 

What's the definition of "plays well" for the sake of the argument?

 

29th best sounds a hell of a lot better than 4th worst.

 

Leagues apart

 

He got you a QB you can believe in. We actually have 2 QB who can start in this WCO.
He delivered what he promised, a modern WCO passing system that is good for years and adapted to todays NFL.
He is willing to adapt, he fired his long time mentor and got a new OC to improve the system.
He got rid of the the GM who held hostage the organization in a vision and decision that were antiquated and did not work and were wrong.
He gives you hope every season with his system that we can kick arse and enjoy football.
He is not a clown.
He wins challenges.
He is the man with the plan, not the GM.
We've had some of the better if not the best drafts we've had here in decades.

 

Yeah, I'm sure its just coincidence that 2 of the QBs at the top of the charts in this stat were also competing for the SB. USELESS STAT!!!!!! DOESN'T CORRELATE TO ANYTHING!!!!!

I'll give you a cookie if you can tell me what these QB's have in common:

Aaron Rodgers
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Steve Young
Drew Brees
Kurt Warner
Ben Roethlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Russell Wilson

 

They all prefer McDonald's to BK?

 

We'll see about the QB but one other thing he delivered on was a defense ranked in the top 10 in scoring. Every other team with a top 10 scoring defense had double digit wins and went to the playoffs. Every one one of them. And they had an average of something like 11.5 wins...

 

Everybody knows the offense sucked...and many believe one of the main reasons for said suckage is no longer the OC.

 

The Jets went to back to back AFCGs with Mark Sanchez, and just went 8-8 with Geno Smith. I can tell you who I think is a better coach based on those results.

 

He was the driving force behind trading away one of the best receivers in the history of football for a pair of 3rd round picks.
He is 15-17 as a head coach with no playoff appearances.
His teams have been outscored 77 to 31 in the final stretch of Weeks 16 and 17.
He was an all too willing participant in replacing Dansby & Burnett with Ellerbe & Wheeler.
He flat out refused to fire Mike Sherman and Jim Turner, and the owner forced it on him.
He was a big fan of Jonathan Martin and a factor in the decision to draft him.
He changed his mind on Martin a year later and feuded with his GM because of it.
He gives you hope every season with his system that the Dolphins can win 6 to 8 games.
He has no personality.
He loses challenges.
He has no discernible plan.
He steers personnel decisions toward a passing offense then hires a coordinator from a run-based system.

 

I think the main reason for the offense sucking was Jeff Ireland. And if that's true it makes it really difficult to make a proper evaluation on everything else down the line.

 

I agree! Rex Ryan has some positive attributes as well.

 

I hear ya' bro. Good post. I just can not believe the hate some have here for Philbin. It's bizarre and, imo, totally unwarranted. A lot of the same people hating on Philbin are the same who complained how no coaches wanted coach here, etc. Well they, more than others, should see what a tough situation it was for Phiilbin or any other coach. I think he's done an admiral job.

 

Ya Ireland sure didn't seem to help much...I just hold Sherman more at fault because of his lengthy NFL experience. He was pathetic.

 

I just think its funny people pretend to know what Philbin is or isnt and what he does or doesn't do based upon media snippets and that kind of stuff.

He gets this season from me. We will either see his system and ideals come to fruition or we will struggle. If there is a problem it will take care of itself. We arent firing Philbin a few days before the season.

 

Ireland being bad at his job doesn't necessarily mean Joe Philbin was good at his job.

Joe Philbin steered Ireland in a lot of bad directions and Ireland should have had the guts (and/or wherewithal) to recognize they were bad directions and go against them.

Two idiots skipping along arm in arm toward the end of the cliff with their eyes closed is still two idiots.

 

So you're saying he's one of the best.

 

He's either great, or the greatest. There's a lot of controversy over which.

 

Damn. Gets worse and worse with every watch. Brutal.

May you burn in hell Richie and Jonathan.

 

Philbin is kind of teetering right now. He started 7-9, then went 8-8. What he does this year will tell us and the rest of the NFL everything we need to know about him. Is he just a mediocre coach? Or will he continue to improve? The real tough spot will be if he goes 9-7. It would be improvement, but will it be enough? My guess would be it would depend on if 9-7 was good enough for the playoffs and how that 9-7 season finishes. Just like Tannehill, we would be singing his praises had the team not folded in those final 2 games and made the playoffs. Both of them are so close, yet still so far away.

 

Some other NFL GM supposedly said that too. Ginger?

 

I would say the worst personnel decision made since his arrival was the Vontae Davis trade. I'm not saying he's great or even good at the personnel side of things but the problem is we have no idea what that relationship was like between him and Ireland or who precipitated what. All we can be reasonably sure of is Philbin wanted the Albert trade which, had it happened, probably would have changed some of those other points in your post. Espeically the win/loss and no playoffs record.

 

IMO the "playing for him" stuff always turns out to be a kiss of death.

 

And thats really the truth of it. We are going to know one way or the other after the end of this season.

Im not a huge Philbin fan, but I can tell you Im his biggest fan right now, as all I care about is our team being good and winning. If they do that with Philbin fine. Ill worry about the other stuff when or if it has to happen at the appropriate time.

 

It's like that old guy with the fishing pole in the insurance commercial, dangling the dollar bill, "almost got it that time...whoa-hoa, close one!"

 

Amen.

 

all that and Philbin did nothing to have the offense switched up to minimize the damage. Even forced Sherman into abandoning the run, which would slow down pass rushers just a little.

 

The only positive I see out of Philbin is that we have had some semblance of a 2 min offense under him. Everything else I agree with most others.... No personality, no leadership, no taking ownership of failures, extreme stubbornness in many areas, getting rid of many good players (and it was him, not Ireland, on many)...

Apparently he has loosened up a bit this year so I hope it works out, but I feel like coaching held this team back from the playoffs last year, not Ireland.

 

Two quick points-

1) Anytime you see a "poll", don't buy into it's meaning too much. Polls can be set up to prove or disprove almost anything, and most of them are heavily biased by geographic location or the perception delivered by the media. If we polled 10k people in Miami about who the NFL's best coach was, old Rex Ryan and Bill Belichick would likely take the bottom two slots.

2) The "bullying scandal" is likely the reason for Philbin being rated so low, because that's all people who don't follow the Fins have heard for nine months now. So to an outsider who has no idea who Philbin is, it would be logical to think he stinks since there hasn't been any reported problems inside any other locker room. Again though, that goes back to perception and mis-information, which is why 90% of the polls out there are meaningless.

 

Devil's advocate:

- That's seems like hearsay. You don't know he was the "driving force" behind the B. Marshall trade. I doubt it. I thought it was pretty well known it was Jeffy. He's a first time coach, for a somewhat dysfunctional team or organization. It's hard to come in and start acting like a dictator. You have to get see how things have worked. You have to work with people you didn't hire. You have to get your beak wet and than begin to keep putting more and more of your stamp on the team.

- He would have had a playoff appearance this past season had his QB not s--t the bed in the last couple of games, especially the last one.

- Yes, the D chokes at the end of games. There's a ton of reasons for that. I don' t think you can pin that on Philbin. They are aware of the problems and trying to make improvements.

- With the old LBs, we still had a bend and then break defense. Still had similar problems. I would love them back now, but most didn't think Ellerbe would be as bad as he's been.

- I don't know about who was responsible for J. Martin, but it happens. It happens to them all. Even the greats. Him changing his mind the next year makes sense. He saw he wasn't a good player and tried to rectify the situation as fast as possible rather than wasting time because of foolish pride.

- Ok, but I think more of the problem still boils down to talent.

- ?

- I think he won 1 or 2 this pre season. Be happy. Improvement is good.

- IYO

- Not sure why you say that. They drafted Mareno and with any system you have to be reasonably successful in both areas. They also drafted D. Williams and Darkwa, who, imo, are two very promising backs.

Bite away!!

 

That is BS. There is nothing stopping the quarterback from handing the ball off to the runningback.

 

I'm sorry, but NO sitting GM would have made that last comment....if it was a GM, it was a flunky who has been drummed out of the league for various reasons. Given that, I'm not too impressed with comments from the panel of 'sources' they claim to have...

At any rate, I don't disagree with the ranking for the reasons they stated...What happens this season will go a long way to either rectifying Philbin's status as a HC and or eliminating him from the HC category altogether...

 

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