Well I can see why you would think that if you believed that he did.. Even if he did, it was still the wrong decision to make this player add any more weight than what a normal intense offseason would of produced, his physique was perfect, his shoulder was now healthy, all he needed was 3 to 5 lbs of natural muscle growth thru training and proper supplements, and he would of been perfect..perfect, the point is someone misread what his body is capable of at 250..that's the issue..Someone in the building is not evaluating this players skillset or his body potential correctly, now that's all my opinion, if you don't agree then it's all good man.
Totally agree with that part. The initial problem though, was ever designating him as primarily a DE. He needs to play mostly in space to get the most out of his skill set.
Yesur...and because that is your assessment as it is mine don't you think them making him add that much weight is like pouring gasoline on the fire, I mean not only are you taking him away from what he does best, your also contradicting the ability to play in space by suggesting that much weight gain...it's a double negative.
Molly is the dumbest term ever. It's just ecstasy or E. Mollies are supposed to be pure MDMA. Back in the day they were called ... wait for it ... "pures." So if you have tainted mollies they're just ... ecstasy. And don't ask me how I know all of this. Pures or "mollies" are supposed to be 100% pure mdma, in a capsule. Anything else is just ecstasy. Anyway carry on. About Dion Jordan.
No matter which name you call it, the chances of buying what you think is pure MDMA actually being pure MDMA is pretty low. http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/22/health/9-things-molly-drug/
I'm not going to get into my background. but I know first hand that it is not far-fetched at all. Besides, I clearly stated that it showed up without any significance...which is why no other organization counts such trivial amounts.
1. how do you know Jordan has discipline? 2. the fact that the third overall pick needs proper supervision to be successful is a red flag in and of itself.
I have a feeling a possible reinstatement will be specific to Welker, Johnny Football's teammate Josh Gordon and a few random Dallas Cowboys players...
Iv'e always been a little disappointed in the NFL's cookie cutter drug policy. Fail a text (X game suspension) Fail twice (Y games suspended) etc. Add to that that part of these suspensions is removing them from what maybe the only real structure they have in their lives and it just seems counter productive. I would love to see the NFL be more proactive in its approach. If a player has a drug or alcohol problem don't just suspend them force them to get help. A couple weeks or more in a facility to help deal with their problems would do more good than simply costing them a couple paychecks. Part of these kids problems is a lack of structure so don't just remove them from what maybe the only one they have. Allow the teams to take part in their rehab. I am not saying that suspensions shouldn't be part of process I am just saying I think they should be doing more.
If the NFL has a "zero tolerance" policy, then the players should recognize this and abide by their rules. It is a privilege to play, not a right; regardless of how "trivial" the amount of a particular metabolite in a screen. And how does this hurt the sport? A player plays if he follows the rules. I would say the NFL is doing it the right way, with no gray area. To be fair, I could care less if a person decides to use marijuana; but the NFL is an organization which has its rules. While it is my understanding that marijuana is unlikely to show up on a drug screen from passive inhalation, if you have "first-hand knowledge," enlighten me. Not being sarcastic. If you have knowledge of a subject (esp. one I am highly interested in), I would like to hear your side. Drug screens are part of my daily routine, and I have been to seminars with lab companies where this very subject was discussed. I am very open to hearing anyone's side in a discussion.....
If I am not mistaken, the NFL has these programs already in place. Without getting into any legalities, I am not sure the NFL (as an organization) can forcibly make a player seek help. Maybe they can? Maybe they cannot? While your idea seems like the right thing to do, I have some issue with it given it seems to be removing the "human" factor. These are grown men who are capable of making their own decisions. If they want help, the NFL would undoubtedly provide the means for that player get the help.
Noone should follow unjust rules. If a player feels a rule restricts their personal freedom it should be broken.
Help for what? There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Dion Jordan, Wes Welker or Gordon did. The NFL needs help, not these players.
Nothing wrong with buying Molly/Ecstasy off the street? Considering the poor chances of getting the real thing, and what you may get instead, it is just incredibly stupid. Gordon was suspended for weed, so the statement does not pertain to him.
I already explained in detail, earlier in this discussion, that zero tolerance is ridiculous when ANYTHING in your local GNC store can contain trace amounts of banned substances. From the protein bars to energy shakes to Red Bull, they are all classified as dietary supplements and not regulated by the FDA. That means the label you read is worthless because there's nobody to ensure that's exactly what's inside the bottle. As for the marijuana, people smoke it....and then exhale a large amount of it back into the air. Just like your body doesn't absorb more than 15-25% of a multivitamin that stays inside your digestive tract for several hours, your body does not absorb but a small percentage of the THC in pot in 3-5 seconds. That's not rocket science. So if you're sitting nearby while someone is smoking, it is entirely possible for you to get just as high as they are if ventilation is not adequate. We weren't talking about getting high though....we were talking about a positive test result in a zero-tolerance system. It is very easy to do if you are around the drug even a little bit.
Okay. ** EDIT - And the reason for the response is because the "GNC/FDA regulation" thing has been discussed ad nauseam in another thread. I'd really rather not get into it again. But thank you for your input. As for the marijuana metabolite thing, you have not given me much with which to discuss. **
If I am a business owner, and I have reasonable guidelines set in place for my employees, those guidelines should be followed. If you feel your "personal freedoms" are being obstructed, you are certainly 'free' to seek employment elsewhere. If you wish to not follow those simple rules, I will find someone else who will. These players have a short shelf life. They have plenty of time to make a damned good living and live a privileged life free from "the man" once they retire. I do not disagree that these people have the freedom to smoke the finest weed this side of the Carolinas, but if you are an employee of an organization that discourages this behavior, and you decide you have the freedom to do whatever the hell you want, that employer certainly has the freedom to punish you under those set guidelines. Don't blame the player, blame the game, right?? The player signs the contract. While a player can be "drafted", he does not have to sign anything. This isn't an Armed Forces type of draft. He can choose to smoke all of the weed he wants and seek employment at a place that is not as harsh as the NFL in their drug policies because he feels his personal freedoms would be in jeopardy. I am pretty sure said player will not be making as much of that "paper" he so desires......
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 5m A new drug deal, if agreed upon, would bring back players who tested positive for amphetamines: Welker, Scandrick, Dion Jordan, others Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 8m The @NFLPA as scheduled a vote tomorrow afternoon of the 32 player reps on the potential new drug policy, source says.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 6m The NFLPA got the new proposal from the NFL tonight, and the language issues seem to be worked out. Good chance this is done tomorrow.
But what's reasonable is not just the business owner's opinion when the employees have enough power, for example if they're unionized. It wouldn't surprise me if eventually marijuana is just not tested for as it becomes legal in more states.
so just imagine this thing goes through today and jordan could play sunday, do you think he would be active with no practice ?
I think he is allowed to practice with the team, just as he was allowed to play in the preseason. So if this thing goes through, I would be surprised if he is NOT active on Sunday.
