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Jet Sweep With Mike Wallace?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by GARDENHEAD, Sep 6, 2014.

  1. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Did you see the Seahawks destroy the Packers? Did you see how devestating the Percy Harvin Jet Sweep was? After one or two successful plays, they faked it to Harvin and it opened up the whole offense.

    The cliche is that the NFL is a copycat league. We should steal some of these plays and run them for Mike Wallace.
     
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  2. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    why steal ? maybe its already in the playbook
     
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  3. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Mike Wallace is so not the same player as Harvin. Harvin is more of a hybrid WR/RB with some very nice moves. I'm sure Wallace will run this play several times this year, but I expect he'll typically get 8-12 yards per touch, which isn't bad.
     
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  4. Unlucky 13

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    I'm not saying that we shouldn't or won't use it, but Ohio is right. Harvin is more of a hybrid playmaker, while Wallace is a pure speed WR. Different body type and skills. Harvin reminds me a lot of Eric Metcalf back when he was with the Browns in the 90s. One of my favorite non-Fins.
     
  5. Dolphans Unite!

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    I'd rather see it done with Lamar Miller.
     
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  6. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The point of what the Seahawks were doing with the Jet Sweep to Harvin was to get the defense to commit to one area on the field to stop Harvin so they could then use him as a decoy to exploit the empty areas of the field. That is precisely what Lazor's (Chip Kelly's) offense does... just not necessarily with a jet sweep. If you pay close attention, you'll see it happen.

    Stay tuned. This offense could get very interesting. :up:
     
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  7. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Wallace isn't very shifty, the end n around with Ginn on the other hand had some good results so that's an option. You just have to run other plays out of that same formation and fake the end and around sometimes. It's all a chess match, but I feel good about our new OC's creativity skills.
     
  8. djphinfan

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    Agreed on Wallace...Percy Harvin has precise shiftiness, cuts and angles.
     
  9. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Funny, I thought about the same thing when I saw that play. Yes, Percy is a bigger slash type guy, but that play, if run correctly, shouldn't need him to break tackles, etc. It should, if run correctly, create some space, fool the D and create a big lane for him to speed through.
    We've seen Wallace, due to his pure speed, take those little quick, short outs to the house. Maybe it wouldn't work, but i was thinking along those lines when I saw that play.
     
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  10. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    A play I'd be more interested in is a Jet Sweep- QB option. Give Tannehill the option to hand to Wallace, take off or throw a short pass.
     
  11. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Harvin is a special player. You have to give the Seahawks credit for doing a great job of using the skills of the players they have. Some people like to think that coaching doesn't matter, that it's all talent, but I disagree. Most coaches wouldn't have gone beyond a few bubble screens and shallow crosses. And even then it would have felt like some gimmick play that you mix in once in a while. Carroll and company not only found a variety of ways to use Harvin, they made him part of the whole offense by calling constraint plays off of those looks.

    As for Wallace, I'm not sure he has the running ability for that play. He obviously has the speed to possibly get to the corner, but you'd need either great blocking or maybe perfect timing against a man D. Maybe if you set it up with a double TE or an unbalanced line on the backside? That sounds like something Chip Kelly would do.
     
  12. DPlus47

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    I could have bolded the whole post, but that would have left nothing emphasized. The whole post is quality, anyway. The bolded part rings really true to me.

    Carroll knows what he's doing. He learned a lot from his failed stints with the Jets and Patriots.
     
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  13. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Harvin has deceptive strength too.. He is hard to tackle. His legs are way more powerful than Wallace..
     
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  14. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Darrell Bevell just called an outstanding game and that was mentioned during the game. It was obvious. He did a great job of keeping the D off their heels changing things up. He would keep pounding the ball and it was working great. He would throw in a surprise to catch the D off guard. He literally coached himself into a HC position for next year. It obviously helps a great deal when you have a great back like Lynch. How I would kill for a back like Lynch. It just completely opens up the whole offense. That's what we need. We really need a back who can punish the D a bit and open everything else up. We have good skill players, but we really need that running game.
     
  15. 77FinFan

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    No comparison between the two players. Other than blazing speed nothing about Wallace calls for that play.
     
  16. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Harivn very well may be stronger and more agile than Wallace, but when you watch those plays, Harvin doesn't even encounter a defender until he's already got the damn first down! Even if Wallace gets tackled by the first guy that touches him, it would still be a positive play.
     
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  17. DPlus47

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    True. Sometimes we fall into all-or-nothing thinking as fans. I hope the coaches don't think the way most fans think.
     
  18. Dolfan4Life

    Dolfan4Life BostonStrong

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    I agree. We need to get him in open space to make some plays with his speed and agility.
     
  19. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Problem is that he doesn't present much of a receiving threat split out. What you're talking about is more of a baby wildcat with no unbalanced line and a mobile QB.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    we don't have a skillset like Harvin on the roster..if anyone I would say Wallace just because of the decoy affect.
     
  21. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Another interesting play would be a fake jet sweep turned into a wheel route. Have Hartline run a skinny post and have someone threaten the zone outside near the sideline.
     
  22. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    We would think Wallace but Hartline was actually pretty good at end arounds early in his career

    Sent from my Note 3
     
  23. normaldude

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    Percy Harvin has a ton of experience in the slot, and as a running back. He is used to traffic in the middle, and dealing with big monsters looking to crush him.

    In fact, in college, he ran the ball more than he caught the ball.

    "..Harvin finished his college career as one of the most prolific offensive threats in school history. In three seasons, he totaled 133 catches for 1,929 yards and 13 touchdowns, while rushing the ball 194 times for 1,852 yards with 19 touchdowns.."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Harvin

    Mike Wallace is more of a fast outside WR. I don't think he wants to regularly deal with 300 lb defensive linemen.
     
  24. GARDENHEAD

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    Nice jet sweep by Julian Edelman for a first down.

    He's clearly more like harvin than Wallace.
     

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