Yikes. Im abandoning this thread. If we win its in spite of our HEAD COACH(Just lol.) If we lose its his fault for bad game planning or adjustments. Lol.
Right. Not sure if that qualifies to being HC if youre not calling plays at some capacity. There may be more to coaching than play calling, but its still important to have experience in that area. Id like to know where Philbin was responsible for any of GB's success. Thats what I was getting at.
Yes, definitely. Sherman, I understand. But how he struggled to let go of Turner is what I didn't like. Firing anyone is hard. But after what transpired ON and OFF the field last year should've made that the easiest firing ever. "Jim, I really hate to do this, but we gotta make a change. Nothing personal, but it's something we have to do"
Does it really not matter that he hired ****ty guys he was friends with and had to be forced to fire them?
For both, it was. Olivadotti was why Shula was fired. Wannestedt is a good DC, but not HC material. Jim Bates IMO was better as a DC than Wanny is/has been. True, but we dont know if it was he who hired him, or Hickey or Ross(or Aponte even). Id like to think it was Philbin. But I cant be sure.
It's a strike against him that he hired them. They were bad at their jobs. I don't think he was forced to fire Turner, just Sherman. And no, considering their what, 3 decade relationship, I don't think it was a strike against Philbin going to bat for his mentor.
If we crap the bed this year and Philbin is fired, are you all going to start proclaiming that you all knew Philbin wasnt qualified all along? Cuz based on past experience on these boards, Im pretty sure thats whats going to happen if we do screw up the season.* *I hope it doesnt happen.
I've championed Philbin more than anyone from day 1. If we suck this year he should be gone. But I want Gus not Harbaugh.
But you know there's going to be posters who are defending Philbin NOW who are going to be saying the same stuff Disgustipate, Eop, and myself are saying now, and act like they were saying it all along. Happens all the time around here.
Well bring this up when it happens. For now, Philbin's team just beat the **** out of Belicheats team.
It happens that coaches hire assistants that don't work out or are bad. That would have been OK, when he hired a guy or guys that he didn't feel like he could fire that was a major ****-up, and at one of the parts of his job Philbin was supposed to be particularly valuable at.
Abramson tweeted this earlier: I don't know that he had to say anything here, so I'll take it as a positive sign...although the win was a pretty positive sign to begin with.
I hope this is true. But players loved Sparano too. How did that work out for us? Im holding out hope that Philbin is different this year, but I won't be surprised if we crap the bed later this year too.
Colledge and Satele to this point of their careers have never been backups for any significant length of time. Smith has been primarily a backup before this season.
Ill give you Colledge but Satele is a career backup talent-wise who's just barely good enough to start on some teams. There's a reason why he was cut by Oakland and Indy after we traded him.
Philbin has final say on his coaching staff as part of his contract. That has been reported in the media. Unless we want to think everything the media in Sou Fla says are lies, I guess we can believe this. Especially since that is the way it is for most HCs.
Speaking for myself, no, because this is something that has not been proven yet. I want very much for him to be the right one, because changing coaches and most of their staffs every 2-3 years and starting over is not the way to assure long term success.
Oakland let him play out his contract after drafting Stefen Wisniewski. Satele played well for them though.
Final say doesn't necessarily mean he picked these guys. Just means he approved. I'm only skeptical because he was so hesistant on firing Sherman and Turner, its hard for me to give him credit for coaching hires. If he did indeed hire him, major kudos. I agree, but if he's not the one to take us far, then he should be gone.
Wasn't the biggest knock on Satele when he was here the first time that while he does well in pass protection, he doesn't do well in getting us enough "push" upfront with the running game? I suspect that's why we "traded" him for Jake Grove. Of course that bit us in the ***...
Satele was released, and is a backup when Pouncey returns. That was an accurate statement. So, instead of saying backup LG, I should've said backup RG and average LG. Thanks.
Even if that is the case, his coaching got them an opening day win over the pats, who havent lost week 1 in a decade.If he was on the ****ter all game, it worked.
Personally, I don't even think that is true. If you look around the league you'll notice some of the best defensive teams have offensive minded coaches (Jim Harbaugh) and some of the best offensive teams have defensive minded coaches (Bill Belichick). I could go into detail and explain why that phenomenon not only occurs but is indicative of great coaching, but I'll just let Pete wallow in his hatred for Philbin. You'll never get through to these people anyway. And I bet even if we're hoisting the Lombardi they'll maintain Philbin was just the glorified janitor along for the ride.
People don't realize that a HC's number one job is to organize through delegation. Most HCs aren't calling plays. Most HCs aren't sitting in their office by themselves devising schemes like a mad scientist in a lab. They are putting together a team of coaches that hopefully have a unified approach. He takes input from his coordinators who have taken input from their coordinators. He picks and chooses through that stuff and unifies the plan. Basically, he's like every boss ever.
Thats not really what I'm saying. I'm saying Bill Belichick, the defensive genius, gets a lot of credit for his offenses schemes and creativity. And deservedly so. It shouldn't be hard to work out how a defensive genius could be a big help in devising plans to help the offense take advantage of the opposing defense. And I believe its possible our head coach is equally involved as Belichick but on the opposite side of the ball. Its not as noticeable but we actually are pretty creative on defense week to week. Just like Belichick knows how to take advantage of opposing defensive coordinators, its possible Philbin knows what frustrates opposing offensive coordinators. And that is why helping with the defense is where he does most of his work. In theory anyway.
And if my theory is correct if you think about it that would mean Philbin and Belichick are kind of going mano a mano on a level beyond just being the respective head coaches. Belichick is trying to get into the head of the guy creating our defense (Philbin) and Philbin is trying to stay two steps ahead of the guy trying to figure out how to exploit his defense (Belichick). And in my opinion Philbin is winning that chess match. Without looking it up I would guess Belichick's offense doesn't have a worse passer rating against any other defense in the league, which dropped to 80.9 over the 5 games they've locked horns so far.
He's not a motivator, he isn't an X's and O's guy. He isn't someone who can keep control of a locker room, or even really handle the media. He's straight middle management, some nebbish who should be buried in the inner workings of some middle tier boring corporation somewhere. He does an assistant head coaches job well. He's scheduled his practices very well, he knows when to challenge, and I'm sure he has the 2-point conversion chart memorized.
My initial feelings towards Philbin as well. Hope he can prove he's the man for the job but going by past two seasons, I haven't seen it(yet).
....and how, at least after that game, can anyone say that Philbin is a bad motivator??? LOL!!!!!!!! I mean, the team is down going into halftime and then........they come out on fire, completely smoke them, regain the lead, dominate and win the game. LOL!!!!!!! Oh, I love you guys.
