I was just getting ready to post this exact post. Really, there are some people in this group that are blinded by their particular bias. If you think Tannehill has accuracy issues you blame him. If you think Wallace is not 17mil receiver you blame him. These people are not taking a moment to actually look at the play objectively and see that both of them are at fault for the failure of the play. What it comes down to is that Tannehill missed his target and Wallace did a poor job of keeping his feet in bounds. They both failed.
Wallace looks physically bigger and stronger this year and after week one he is playing that way... very encouraging! Also, I love that cross field route Lazor was running with Wallace. DB's have to respect his downfield speed, so if he runs straight line across the middle.... No DB is going to be able to get in front of that route, and no linebacker is going to be able to pick him up running full speed across the middle. That was there all day!
IMO this is a gross mischaracterization. The following post does not jive with your account of what I've been saying:
I don't need 4 paragraphs, I'll sum it up for you. Wallace was toasting Darrell Revis most of the game, some of the plays left on field were his fault and some Ryan's. But to call him atrocious when he had a HOF DB on his hip and STILL got open is a lil agenda driven IMO. It's ok to admidt he played well.
I am sure the staff was on Tannehill for that throw. Lazor has pretty much stated he is looking for perfection. Still, with the variables I saw on that play, Tannehill made a better play than Wallace. I appreciate Wallace's fire and putting his shoulder down during the game (plus staying in bounds), but that TD was there for him to catch. Also, for all the QBs people think we should trade Tannehill away for (in a hypothetical scenario)....you would be pretty disappointed when they got here and their placement wasn't perfect either. The announcers like to make the Dolphins the whipping boy every game, so this negativity gets pushed onto the players too. Cutler is going to be an MVP, Stafford has an arm, etc....and when they throw a little late on a slant, it's not 3 hours of "well, that TD pass was nice, but sheesh, that slightly inaccurate completion earlier in the drive really could've picked up some YAC." The dude isn't perfect, but man...we scored 33 and beat the division rivals who haven't lost an opener in 10 years, and who were SB favorites. He had 2 TDs and a bad INT (lots of guys did)...if Wallace dragged his feet and Sims catches a perfect pass, Tannehill has 260 yards and 4 TDs. But, it didn't happen and he had a normal kind of day.....it was a total team win at least.
Tannehill had some issues yesterday ,that play while not perfect was more than good enough and should have been caught for a TD by Wallace imo. You expect your better receivers to make that play and most other ones actually do , consistently.
Add the easy catches that were dropped by CC and Landry and he was at 300 yards with 4 TD's . As for accuracy , Brady was a lot worse yesterday , just saying.
I don't really understand why people who are making emotion-based decisions choose to rally around Mike Wallace against Ryan Tannehill. I understand people who have a desire for Wallace to be a good, successful decision, but at the detriment of Tannehill? Is the hype really all that strong?
I don't think Mike Wallace played well. But he did play better than what we are normally accustomed to seeing. He made a tough catch in traffic for a touchdown. He lowered his shoulder and took a DB straight, taking a vicious hit from the safety in the process. He also stepped out of bounds to negate a touchdown, and fumbled the ball on an bad pass, and pulled his hamstring. I don't think his good necessarily outweighs his bad, but he played with a fire he didn't have last year, and that's going to generate success as the season goes on.
There are about 12 to 15 QB's that can make that throw. I am merely asking that Tannehill be one of those 15 guys.
I want him to be an upper level QB too...but with this line of thought, you could also say there are 50 WRs who catch that in bounds (3 or so on our team).
The fact of the matter is it's just not true that other quarterbacks make those throws exactly right with any frequency. And that is why completion percentages on passes of that depth even at the HIGH end are like 25%.
I hope each player personally believes he is 100% responsible for that play. I doubt it's the case. I expect both guys to make the play there. I wish Wallace were a bit more aware on the field. In the past, I don't think he had to be, because Roethlisberger played to his strengths. To be fair, Roethlisberger also improvised and ran around in the pocket a lot, creating more "playground" plays out there. For lack of a better word, Tannehill plays more by-the-book than Big Ben, and Wallace needs to become more aware and precise if he wants his catches to count. I wish Tannehill felt comfortable just chucking it sometimes, because I feel like he has no idea the security blanket he has. Knowing and playing to the strengths of each receiver can make the QB's job a lot easier. I don't know if the game is going slow enough for Tannehill to do this yet. When the guy has blown past a corner with no safety help, the QB just needs to put it in the field of play somewhere out in front of Wallace with a little air under it; he doesn't even have to be all that precise with the throw. Wallace can catch up to it. That's Wallace's strength, not Cris Carter sideline tapdancing. Not even Brian Hartline sideline tapdancing. If things keep up as they are going, Big Ben just might get that security blanket back. Since Marino left, has a successful WR come here from another team and met expectations?
I'm sure that's why those 12 to 15 quarterbacks you speak of only complete passes at that depth at about a 20% rate. If that. Because they all "make that throw".
Ok..going out on a limb here but I think this is a dead horse. While yesterday was a great win..clearly both need to get better to keep on winning.. Did anyone see enough yesterday to maybe have you feeling better about our team then maybe going in?
Problem here is that you think that was a difficult throw. I disagree. When a guy is 5 yards (or more) open...your margin for error is rather large. it is reduced exponentially when you introduce another defender (the sideline) into the equation unnecessarily.
It doesn't, there is just a strong uprising against any big name WR this team signs. Not sure why....it's puzzling. The way I see it they both should've done more. But we kicked the division champs *** so I'm not all that upset.
Of course. I saw confidence that was not there before. I said last year that we could have the best defensive line in the NFL. I said that we have at least a top 3 defensive line this year. They performed like it. The running game....well.....I guess Runningbacks matter.
That's what is occurring here, and generally occurs in these discussions- Wallace's poor performance is a result in Tannehill not throwing him the ball properly.
To be fair there a LOT more receivers than that , that can make that catch. 17 also did make the throw, not perfect but more than good enough imo.
So....lets hope Lazor keeps workin on RT and he only gets better all season long. Theres potential to have a great season here..and then maybe a truly special season next year. Even though we debate the hell out of our team...gonna be fun takin this ride with everyone!
A 160 foot throw at a dead run with Vince Wilfork breathing down your neck? No that's cake. Of course it was a difficult throw. That's why they're called "low percentage" throws. He's got a very small vertical window in which to place the ball. If he throws it a foot too far, it's an overthrow. If he underthrows it by 5 or 6 feet, the receiver slows down and the corner is able to get back into the play to try and break it up. What's alarming is that you think that's an easy throw. The numbers disagree with you. The film disagrees with you.
Do you think a NFL QB can throw a football on the dead run into a 8 person jacuzzi 160 feet away? That's the throw he had to make. He hit the saline pump or the drink ledge on the side of the jacuzzi.
In game conditions with Vince Wilfork breathing down your neck? No. And there is a LOT of film backing that up.
This. I'm not disputing a lot of WRs have the awareness to stay in bounds and make that catch, but when your WR beats the best DB since Dion Sanders by 3 steps then there is no reason to throw it to a spot where he even has to make the "toes in" catch.
I was way more concerned with all the body catches by Wallace. One of his completions was almost a drop because he didn't catch with his hands. He had a bunch of body catches. The end zone play, though, in my unprofessional opinion, was all on Wallace. Tannehill threw a ball that may not have been perfect, but it was easily catchable for a td. Wallace SHOULD have the acumen to keep his feet in there. Your #1 wide receiver should turn poorly thrown balls into completions...And that was not a poorly thrown ball. So, yes, Tannehill could have, possibly thrown it slightly more perfectly, but Wallace had more than good enough of a throw to score there.
I think both guys need to figure out what they can do to help the other one. The team will benefit. I put a little more of the onus on Tannehill because he plays the more important position. Also, he doesn't seem to be using all the tools available to him to get the job done. First and foremost is his own athleticism. Tannehill is one of the most athletic QB's the Phins have ever had, but you're only going to read about that in the media guide, because it's not on display in games. Next, and right up there among the unused tools, is Wallace's ability to get behind the defense. I understand that deep throw accuracy isn't all that great for even the best NFL QB's. However, if somebody like Revis is trying to play tight on Wallace, a 20 yard throw could result in a long touchdown if the ball is in the right place. Without safety help, or with the safety a step or two in the wrong direction, "he's even; he's leavin," is the cliche that fits. I understand that these are just fan observations, and I understand that Tannehill has a difficult job. IMO, he could make it easier on himself.
Wow. Watching MW's post game interview compared to some of his interviews when he first joined and his first few games, it's like night and day. Whether you are pulling for him or not, like him or not, the guy is trying to improve himself as a person and a player and it's noticeable. I hope he works out for us to some extent this season, even if the deep ball isn't perfected I want to see this guy get some catches out in space and tear some people up. I didn't mind the signing at first because I was familiar with him at pitt, but he joined the phins and immediately acted like an arrogant punk a** and had all the signs of another diva we didn't need. It's nice to hear him talk about what a big difference he is seeing with coach jp and his relationship improving with him as well as the the most important thing being the 'W'.
Absolutely. I am not making playoff reservations yet, but this is going to be a fun team to watch, and if they get into the playoffs, anything can happen.
I was actually reading this thread as I was grocery shopping and I missed the post you are referencing. What I get out of that post is that you believe Tannehill shares a minor roll in the failure of the play while Wallace shares a much larger portion of the blame. IMO, they share equal blame... Tannehill made a bad trow and Wallace did a poor job of staying inbounds.
Yeah but are there 50 receivers in the NFL that are going to be that open with Revis covering them? Wallace has his problem but really folks, he is not the scrub some of you make him out to be.
Honestly though...what's the use in getting open if you can't catch the ball properly? I just despise the guy's catching form...HANDS FOOL! HANDS! He catches it how he catches it...it can't be changed now...just so frustrating is all.
