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Props to Wallace

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin D, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    And as discussed, that wasn't Wallace's only fumble on the day.
     
  2. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    A picture doesnt really tell the story of a play, you really need to look at a video. For example, how many steps did Mike take after catching the ball? You cant tell that in a picture.

    I didn't see the second fumble, but unless Mike has a habit of fumbling, I really don't see how that plays into this play?
     
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The thread topic is about how good of a day Mike Wallace had. His second fumble is relevant to that topic. I had:

    1. A fumble lost on a crossing pattern where he took three or four steps after securing the football.
    2. A second fumble he's lucky he didn't lose on a screen play.
    3. A play on which he quit with the ball still in the air, which he could have caught for a TD if he'd not quit.
    4. A catch he should have made with two feet inbounds but had no sideline awareness, costing a TD.
    5. A ball that hit him straight on the facemask, resulting in an incomplete.
    6. A double-clutch catch he let into his chest instead of catching with his hands.
    7. A 3rd & 12 ball that hit him in the chest (again instead of hands) and fell incomplete because he refused to come back to the football even though he was 3 yards beyond the 1st down marker (lack of awareness of the sticks).

    On the other hand, he did several good things during the game.

    1. He successfully caught a ball on a short crossing pattern that was behind him (which he later fumbled).
    2. He made a very nice catch on a deep crossing pattern with the ball again behind him.
    3. He maintained concentration on the ball after a PBU, saving it as it dropped to his waist, which earned a TD.
    4. He broke a tackle and gained a nice amount of YAC on a 16 yard catch along the left sidelines.
    5. He got open on a short crossing pattern against man coverage which allowed him to gain 17 yards into the tight red zone.

    I'm just evaluating him like I would a draft prospect and any draft prospect being evaluated by the draft community would get killed for having a game where he fumbled twice, let one into his facemask, let two more into his chest, gave up on a play, failed to come back for the ball even though he was well beyond the sticks, and lost a touchdown because he couldn't get his feet inbounds on a catchable ball.
     
  4. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    He at least took 2 steps before getting hit. The point of the pic was to what Rocky was saying in that Jamie Collins and Jerod Mayo made a good defensive play in that one of them got a helmet on the ball and popped it out.

    This has no bearing on the other play at all. Wallace was only credited with the 1 fumble for the game and it was the one in the pic.
     
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  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I have at least three steps and most likely should be considered four.
     
  6. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    No argument... I haven't watched the replay since Sunday, but I knew he tucked the ball away and took at least two before taking the helmet to the ball.
     
  7. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    So if he took 3 or 4 steps, his fumble has to be Tanny's fault....lol
    I have to agree with CK on this one.
     
  8. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    When the ball first hits Wallace's hands he is totally contorted with his upper body twisted in the opposite direction he is running. He takes two sideways straddle steps as he is trying to secure the ball. After he secures the ball his upper body turns in to the direction he is running. He takes a full stride and as his second stride is hitting the ground the linebacker puts his helmet on the ball. There isn't a player in the NFL that holds on to that ball.

    Chalk it up to a good play by the defense.

    BTW, it wasn't a good throw by Tannehill but I don't think that had impact on the play (unless you are thinking that Wallace would have had more time to pick up the defender).
     
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  9. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    100% TOTAL falsehood.
     
  10. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Ha! You're right. Man, my p---y hurts from having a baby with such a big head.
     
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  11. jdang307

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    Not really. Securing the catch and securing the ball are two different things. A WR can catch the ball away from his body and run without ever bringing the ball in to secure against a fumble. Like a wr who catches with his hands 5 yards out and never brings it in and dives for the end zone.

    The argument here is whether it is unreasonable to expect Wallace to immediately secure the ball on a throw behind his body. I'll have to watch it again. How many steps is afforded a receiver to secure a ball thrown behind him. 0? 4? 10?
     
  12. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Playing devils avo, if he tucked the ball and took two steps, wouldn't that be considered a catch and fumble?
    "What if" a Patriots receiver did the same thing and the officials ruled a incomplete pass, would you be upset?
     
  13. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Totally inaccurate.
     
  14. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    I understand what your saying, but I don't think you understand what I'm saying:)
     
  15. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    IMO, Mike made the catch and made a football move by taking 3-4 steps and the Patriots players just made a nice play by placing a hat on the ball causing Mike to fumble.
    Good play by Mike for catching a poor thrown ball and trying to make a play and nice job by the Pats for creating a fumble.
     
  16. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    100% of the time? Who's that?
     
  17. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I don't think the number of steps matters as much as body contortions. Also don't think it was 100% the failt of either.
     
  18. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    It was a generalization, my point is that Helmet on football at that speed will normally result in a fumble.
     
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  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Holy ****, you really are my mom!!!!!!!!
     
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  20. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    IMO, it sure does. If Mike is taking the steps while bobbling the ball, it should be ruled incomplete. If Mike takes those steps with control of the ball, whether it be tucked away in his gut/side or out at arms reach, it should be ruled a catch and fumble on his part.
     
  21. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    I think that's how most fumbles are caused anyway. Not going to take a wide guess, but I think the percentage is pretty high.
     
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  22. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I haven't heard anything to back this up, but I think Knowshon is the reason this team is playing with fire right now. He brings a toughness and heart to this team that's been missing since JT and Zach retired.
     
  23. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    He, along with Finnegan, Delmas, Albert (quiet giant, all about business), the kids...this team's attitude improved many-fold this off-season.

    Edit: Forgot Lazor!
     
  24. Disgustipate

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  25. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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  26. dolfan22

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    So quite a few players don't fumble on that play?
     
  27. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    The 100% falsehood comment was in reference to:
    "A fumble lost on a crossing pattern where he took three or four steps after securing the football."

    It is clear that Wallace does not secure the ball until after his second side straddle step at which time his upper body turns in the direction he was running. After that he takes two steps before the linebacker puts his helmet on the ball.
     
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  28. mroz

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    I think >"most"< players put that ball on the ground.
     
  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

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  30. dolfan22

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    Have you reviewed the out of bounds play?
     
  31. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    :pointlol:
     
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  32. djphinfan

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    I agree, he's got the juice and everyone is takin a sip..

    Seriously, he plays angry and it's something I've been harpin on for years, especially at home..hickey finally got the right player who has the ability to piss the rest of his team off and inspire them at the same time.

    By playing with his heart on the field, and a violent nature, if your a teammate, you either play the same way and match the intensity or it's gonna be clear.

    Watch in the coming weeks what happens, I know Wallace is firmly going to step up his game in this regard.
     
  33. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    For those who said Wallace blamed Tannehill for the pass when he went out of bounds:


    http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachp...made-some-more-plays-but-this-offense-is-fun/
     
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  34. DPlus47

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    The other thing in play here, while we're talking about these two (and while we're evaluating Wallace like a draft prospect):

    Overpaying and underusing Wallace could be a very short term problem for this team. If they make the wrong decision on Tannehill, that will be a longer term problem. His first half was very Henne. His second half was much better. I hope all those bad throws were due to nerves or a new system, because this needs to get better.
     
  35. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Mike Wallace is playing with some fire. He's making outstanding catches, he's being physical and he looks like he's got his head on straight.

    A silver lining.
     
  36. btfu149

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    Mike Wallace was the only good thing about this game. He is proving to us he isn't a one trick pony like everyone keeps saying. That TD was a helluva catch!
     
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  37. GARDENHEAD

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    Mike Wallace should have (yet again) fought for that deep ball. Catch it at the highest point.

    Wallace deserved criticism today. Just like everybody else.
     
  38. byroan

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    He did go up for it. He was grabbed and once again it was underthrown.

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  39. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Smh

    the guy could **** a golden egg and some of you would complain it isn't big enough.
     
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  40. vt_dolfan

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    And unless Tannehill personally went up and placed the ball in each recievers hands.....hes the second coming of Ray Lucas.
     
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