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Source says Rice video sent to NFL

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Itsdahumidity, Sep 10, 2014.

  1. DPlus47

    DPlus47 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We need to raise awareness of involuntary clicking and reading syndrome, apparently.
     
  2. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I like how you have nothing else to offer except your observations about our reading the thread. Too funny.

    As for this having more attention than 9/11 - Too Sad. It's Disgusting.
     
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  3. Tin Indian

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    First it was the nonsense with the Dolphins last year. Then it was the whole Michael Sam thing. Now it's this whole disgusting Ray Rice mess and who knew what and when.
    I fully understand the implications of the whole thing but I really wish the networks and everyone would just get back to football just a little.
     
  4. MikeHoncho

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    They called off Rhiana singing the Star Spangled Banner.


    Damn you, Ray Rice, NFL, CBS and now Chris Brown!

    NFL and CBS's thinking on this was "We don't want to deal with the parallel between this domestic violence case to the one with Rhiana, so we'll just take that paycheck back and cancel her singing".
     
  5. Sceeto

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    F--K!!!! I no longer have any reason to watch.
     
  6. MikeHoncho

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    Never been a fan or can even recognize any of her music. It's the gesture by the League.
     
  7. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    You're being extremely generous when you say "music".
     
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  8. MrClean

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    I don't watch the national anthem
     
  9. Griese's Glasses

    Griese's Glasses Well-Known Member

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    The media has way too much freedom in the western world. They conjure up "controversies" out of nothing more than a simple altercation between two adults who know each other better than any of us know them.

    The feminist horde is calling for Goodell's job now as if he threw the punch...freakin' bloodthirsty witch-hunt.
     
  10. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't really think this is the place to discuss your fundamental discomforts with the concept of democracy.

    None of the uses of that phrase actually apply to this situation.

    This does kind of raise the question though why you're infinitely more troubled by people who are worried about domestic abuse than the actual occurrence of domestic abuse.
     
  11. Griese's Glasses

    Griese's Glasses Well-Known Member

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    Spare me. Democracy =/= an unaccountable press.


    Sure they do. They have Rice, he got his due but that simply isn't enough. More stakes for the bonfire! Of course only while this story is still "blowing up" twitter. I guess if they had a video of Marino cheating on his wife they'd throw him out of the HOF or something right? If there was a video of Vick kicking his dogs then he'd get lethal injection probably.


    Nice straw-man. This has nothing to do with domestic abuse anymore, that is just this week's national crisis buzzword. To the media this is about selling a story while it's hot and to the people who eat it up it's about creating demons to vent out anger at.
     
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  12. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If domestic abuse is what they're after then go after the judge and prosecutor who let him off easy. Calling for Goodell's head just for this is foolish.

    The exact same judge and prosecutor did not give this woman the same opportunity

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/1...let-ray-rice-walk-tossing-book-at-single-mom/

    That woman was given a plea deal of 3.5 years for accidentally carrying her legally registered gun into NJ. She was denied PTI just months before Ray Rice. She is a victim of anti-gun zealotry. Single mother of two who voluntarily told the police officer pulling her over she was carrying a gun. She just didn't know, NJ is one of 20 states that does not recognize PA's gun permit.
     
  13. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    OK feel free to share your fantasies of an "accountable" press:

    Rice didn't get his due, he was incredibly under-punished, and then there was a cover-up to make sure the NFL had plausible deniability over this.

    Yes, this thread is genuinely about domestic violence.

    You see the references to "Rice" or "Ray Rice"? He committed domestic violence.

    You see all those references to those or similar phrases? They're actually not code words for something else, people actually are discussing it.
     
  14. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    But hey, speaking of this..

    We've got a perfect example:

    What in the **** is this and why does it have anything to do with Ray Rice?
     
  15. Griese's Glasses

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    What are you talking about? The guy is practically held in the same regard as Josef Mengele and Jeffrey Dahmer by his former fans and people all over the world who don't even know the first thing about football or him as a person. He will likely not play his sport for 1-2 years if ever.

    But that still isn't enough. More heads need to roll.



    Wow you are missing the point. Domestic violence is the term used by the media to garner attention and hate towards this man who in all respects is probably just a freakin' idiot and not an "evil" bad man. If domestic violence was so important to "these people" then how the hell is Jason Kidd allowed to be a coach?

    Better question, what about AJ Jefferson? He was just lucky not to have been caught on tape and somehow avoided the media having a hard on for him?
     
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  16. Finatik

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    What in the **** is this and why does it have anything to do with the Dolphins?
     
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  17. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's a public figure in an advertising based field, and has chosen a lifestyle that made him famous and subject to more scrutiny. He was quite well renumerated for it.

    It's also really genuinely pathetic to regard him being suspended indefinitely as a tragedy when I know for a fact that under the same circumstances I would be fired from both of the institutions I work for.

    Yes, "domestic violence" is indeed a term, and consequently does have meaning and ideas attached to it. Thanks for that?

    I'm not sure what your point is regarding these other cases, either. When the general idea that domestic violence isn't punished enough, how does bringing up circumstances where it was not appropriately punished make any sense at all?
     
  18. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    "I would be fired from both of the institutions I work for."

    If they ever found out about it. And since he or you in this case would be in the diversion program, your employer wouldn't know about it unless you told them directly since it would drop off your record once you completed it. Its not like TMZ is requesting tapes on you.

    Have you been this vocal about the other 100 guys in the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. in past 10 years that have done the same thing? Why now. Cause you saw a video. And this makes him somehow the devil incarnate and the poster boy for this issue?
     
  19. Disgustipate

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    Foils, my dastardly plan has been found out by you meddling kids!

    I could have gotten away with uhh...looking like I legitimately cared about something(?), if only you hadn't been plucky and smart enough to...uhhh...accuse me of being insincere based on no evidence or knowledge of my opinion on the matter whatsoever.

    Looks like you've solved the mystery of people caring about people beating their girlfriends, I'm sure the police commissioner will be along with your medal shortly.
     
  20. Alex44

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    While I'm sure it happens, I've personally been unaware of it happening 100 times in major sports. I find his punishment a bit much because it actually punishes his wife as well by reducing their household income.
     
  21. jdang307

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    Same judge and prosecutor as Ray Rice and wonders what it has to do with Ray Rice.
     
  22. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They are two different crimes. If there was a noted discrepancy in punishment between two people with the same crime and the same severity then it makes sense to bring it up.

    Or, you know you could have legitimate concern over the gun case without the ham-fisted and childish attempt to drag attention away from another issue because of your total disinterest in the fundamental issues of one case and obsession with the other.
     
  23. Griese's Glasses

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    So because someone is a public figure then the reaction to any crimes they may commit must be greater than if they were a nobody? And because you get paid more then you should be punished more than someone who does the same thing and makes less than you? What kind of logic are you running on?

    Ray Rice has had his reputation forever clobbered, that might not mean anything to nobodies like us but to a pro athlete that is your life, forget football and dollar bills.

    Again you miss the point. You could get another job, you could move to another country, you could find the same work likely anywhere in the world...where can Rice play? The CFL maybe but there really aren't as many job opportunities for a pro football player when the NFL doesn't want you to play.

    I personally don't give a rat's *** about Rice but I pity him as I pitied Richie. These guys are bozos but they hardly deserve to be demonized and excommunicated over relatively minor altercations.


    Uh huh. Too bad when this blows over no one will be giving 5 mins of airtime for "domestic violence" unless a famous person is involved. You're welcome but try not to choke on all the misguided white-knighting going on everywhere in sports media.

    Ok, i'll explain it to you. This video is the only, and I mean only, reason we are even having this conversation. Smack your wife? Just make sure there is no video evidence and you'll get 4 games like AJ. Oh there's a video? In that case you're career's over.

    No one is saying that domestic violence should be taken lightly, but why the overblown reaction? Why wasn't the media so fanatical when there wasn't a released video?
     
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  24. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ray Rice as a public figure is in a position where he can benefit or suffer from his reputation. That is an inherent part of the career path he chose.

    He is not being punished more or less than anyone else. He has more to lose than most, but again, his situation is by no means unique. You can be fired as a consequence of domestic abuse in a variety of jobs with differing income levels. People who make more than Rice have been fired from their jobs.

    Nor is the idea that he would have difficulty finding a comparable replacement job even remotely close to unique. Ray Rice was charged with a felony, and would have likely been convicted. That categorically disqualifies you for employment in a huge amount of the jobs in this country.

    I'm not entirely sure what your issue is here. Ignorance? Sycophancy? Bizarre sympathies?


    Which makes it exceedingly important that you try and prevent people from discussing it?


    Which again doesn't actually explain anything when the glaringly obvious point is that people think that domestic abuse is under punished in the NFL.

    There was a huge outcry over the 2-game punishment before this video came out. Goodell said they ****ed up, they announced changes.
     
  25. Griese's Glasses

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    There are a plethora of public figures who get into what should be worse debacles but if their stories aren't as "juicy" they get off the hook. Here we have a football player (fan favorite mind you) who punches his girlfriend in an elevator on video....what more could a journalist ask for? What more could mindless twitterheads ask for? I'm not sure why you are trying so hard to avoid admitting that this is a overcovered, overblown, and overstated story.

    That is the entire freaking point. He is being punished more than others were in the recent past for the same if not worse offense. Why?


    If he wasn't a star athlete then his girlfriend would drop the charges of her own will and that would be the end of it. His fame is working against him here, and whether that is a good or bad thing, it's still a load of pretentious horse****. Media personalities and facebook counselors want to parade Janay around as if she is a child, incapable of making her own decisions. The private lives of these people are being mauled over with no discretion being paid, and that's cool because he made millions?

    Just don't like the smell of bull****. This entire episode has been another attempt by the sports media and media in general to attract attention to a story that deserves little. As a Dolphin fan you should know that better than anyone. Every season needs a drama story and for 2015 there will be a different center of attention. It's fake, it's contrived and I don't care for it.


    When the hell did I do that? I'm discussing it myself, here and now. This is ridiculous.


    The video made everything "happen" so to speak. It's easy in hindsight to say "yeah, sure, even without the video they would have likely upped the disciplinary action." but that is a wild assumption.
     
  26. Finatik

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    Peterson hits his kid with a stick to punish him. It's domestic abuse. He should fry.
     
  27. gilv13

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    [​IMG]
     
  28. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    That may be the only whooping the Vikings put on anybody this year.

    I wasn't serious. Come on now.
     
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  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They whooped the Rams.
     
  30. jdang307

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    Yes, and knocking someone out cold turkey where they hit their head on the rail of an elevator, seems much more serious than accidentally carrying a legally registered firearm legal in 30 states.

    Yet one gets off, the other gets a plea deal for 3.5 years. Nobody was harmed in the single mom's case. Nobody.

    Should I insert the gif of Janay getting stone cold right here? I don't think it's needed.

    So my point of bringing it up is, people are being a bit harsh on Goodell when the real travesty is the judge and prosecutor.
     
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  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Their hands are tied to the laws.

    Ray Rice got was punished to the full extent of the law for punching someone and knocking them out.

    The real travesty would be the lawmakers.
     
  32. jdang307

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    Nope. The Pre Trial diversion program is discretionary. They did not have to grant it. The prosecution and judge have to agree.

    His charges will be completely dismissed.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...pretrial-intervention-program-avoid-jail-time
     
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  33. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    Q: You keep talking about transparency, why can't you tell us what he(Rice) said?

    A: It is inconsistent with what he told us, what we saw on the video. We have an appeals process. That information will come out.

    (TMZ)Q: Why didn't you have the curiosity to go to the casino yourself?
    (TMZ)Q: Mr. Commissioner we found out by one phone call. You have a whole legal department. Can you explain that?

    A: I can't explain how you got the information. Only you can do that.
    http://deadspin.com/roger-goodell-finally-addresses-the-media-1636927907
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    The Ravens received details of the Ray Rice incident just hours after it occurred. John Harbaugh wanted to cut Rice
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    What Roger just said is the exact same thing that players say when they make a mistake and plead their case


    @TroyAikman
    Can only imagine how upset Sean Payton and the New Orleans Saints must be watching Commissioner's press conference


    Derrick Mason
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    The commissioner still didn't answer the question of " ignorance is not a excuse"


    @ESPNNFL
    Tedy Bruschi on NFL Live: "I want a new commissioner to lead my league...Roger Goodell needs to step down."
     
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  34. Alex44

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    As bad as what Rice did is, its time to stop persecuting him. He doesn't need a suspension or jailtime. He needs rehabilitation just like many of the other offenders of crimes in our world that get glossed over.

    Just like AP.
     
  35. finfansince72

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    And now we are finding out that the Ravens were politicking the prosecutors for a lighter sentence, presumably so he could play this year and that his image would saved. The Ravens owner and Ozzie Newsome to me have dodged the public ire and Goodell has become the face of it, by design I think. The media is going after Goodell when he is just a puppet and mouthpiece for the owners. Obviously at this point we know that the Ravens ownership and front office launched a massive public relations and legal front to help Rice. All the while having seen both videos. Even tweeting about how his fiancee apologized for "her role" in the matter. So who is going to police the owners in this case? Who is going to police the prosecutors?

    Interesting to me that Harbaugh advocated cutting him, maybe this blows up and he's looking for a new team in the offseason......I can think of a team that could use him.......
     
  36. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    OTL sure kicked the NFL's and the Ravens' *** with that article.
     
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  37. Itsdahumidity

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    Damn. It's a long read but did you or anyone else read the entire article? This coverup is one of the nfl's worst.

    "it would seem that if Rice had given an "ambiguous" account, sources say Goodell had even more incentive to try to obtain a copy of the in-elevator video to clear up any lingering questions. But he did not do that. "For you not to have seen the video is inexcusable," a league source told "Outside the Lines."

    regarding spygate
    "Goodell also ordered all the spying videotapes destroyed, leaving it a mystery how much the spying had helped the Patriots win games, including Super Bowls in the 2001, 2003 and 2004 seasons. Goodell is extremely close to Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and some owners and other executives felt their relationship had played a role in the punishment, which they felt could have been harsher."

    "allegations of inconsistent approaches to player discipline and questions about whether Goodell gave Rice -- the corporate face of the Baltimore franchise -- a light punishment as a favor to his good friend Bisciotti."

    "independent investigation by Robert S. Mueller III, the former FBI chief, which is being overseen by John Mara, the New York Giants' owner, and Art Rooney II, the Pittsburgh Steelers' co-owner. Mara and Rooney are close confidants of Goodell's."


    "assumption by some front offices that Goodell plays favorites among the owners that Woody Johnson, the Jets owner, was enraged after Goodell conducted a closed-door coin-flip to determine whether the Jets or Giants would host the first home game at the new Met Life Stadium" "The Giants won, Goodell announced, but no team representatives witnessed Goodell's coin flip. Johnson accused Goodell of rigging the coin toss"

    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl
     
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  38. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I read the whole thing and damn...I can't see why the owners wouldn't want to distance themselves from this tool RIGHT NOW...except for the favorites like Krapt and the Ravens owner.
     
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  39. PhinishLine

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    Why distance yourself from your kevlar? Goodell is hired to make money and take the punches. Owners can make decisions behind the veil and Roger has to answer for it. Why would they get rid of Roger? He redirects our anger so well.

    Sent from my SM-T700 using Tapatalk
     
  40. finfansince72

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    Yep and sadly the idiotic sports media keeps playing right into their hands. The Ravens ownership is the group that needs to be answering the hard questions. They obviously had a very strong hand in the light punishment that Rice received and the massive reputation save attempt by the league as well. Goodell is just a mouth piece and a punching bag in this case, he was acting on orders from the Ravens.
     

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