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The Matt Moore Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I just see the same plateau that I saw with Henne at this point in Tannehills career. However ........by bo means in HELL is Matt Moore the answer.
     
  2. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    3 years is not a small sample size. And come on, Moreno was a monster. He might as well have played QB. He was unreal. Even when the blocking was bad he moved defenderS for extra yards. Last week it was the Miami Morenos.

    Im as sad as the next fan. All he needed to do was get that long ball right to take the next step. Now he cant even get 5 and ins smoothly. He's regressing.

    I hope with all of my hardcore fan heart that im wrong. I hope ur right. Its only 2 games. But Its year 3. It was time to step up from the moment the fireworks were going off last week. It is not time to slowly roll out of the drive way.
     
  3. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    His passes r not any crisper. I dont know how to describe. It seems like the receiver always have to adjust. A catchable ball is a catchable but Jesus Christ kill me for wanting to say of my QB " THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL THROW!" 5 out of 10 times.
     
  4. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Are we talking about this season or are we talking about his career? Because I already established he improved in every facet from year 1 to year 2.

    If we're talking about just this season, then yes, I agree he has not been that good and needs to be better.
     
  5. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    Even considering overall, as much as he was amazing last year; he's up, he's down, he's just enough, he's a star, he's a mess. From one game to the next, one throw to the next. You cant win consistently with an inconsistent QB, Rocky. Not unless the rest of your team is all madden. And we r far from.
     
  6. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    @JamesWalkerNFL: According to @ESPNStatsInfo, #Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill was 0-of-6 passing on throws 15 yards or more downfield vs. the #Bills.

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  7. Drowning

    Drowning ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH

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    Goodnight fellas. Just want to sleep. Im depressed. Whats so frustrating is that this team isnt what we saw today. There is so much potential and we just cant seem to put it all together. I dont know whats more frustrating, to just straight up suck or this. Any way, thanks for your time. Much appreciated.
     
  8. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    That's my issue. I don't believe he's going to get appreciably better. I think he's plateaud. Especially with regards to accuracy. And that's of supreme importance in this league.

    To me, Matt Moore has proven he's better in the areas that count. He could have struggled equally this afternoon, but IMO he's going to hit Wallace on that bomb and Gibson in the red zone. That's two automatic TDs right there. And it's a completely different game.

    That's what I want and what I think the team deserves. And that's what I believe Moore would provide. Someone who's going to capitalize on opportunities.

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  9. finwin

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    Often Tannehill doesn't seem like he has QB arm, Sometimes it's his decision making, Accuracy or leadership. He seems like a WR converted to a QB that has not been a successful QB. It's very tough finding a successful QB. I don't think Manuel, Sanchez, Geno Smith, Vick, or Tannehill will finish in the top 3rd in QBR this year.
     
  10. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    So is Matt Moore going to catch his own passes and pass protect for him? /end thread
     
  11. pmj

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    I don't remember all the throws, but I remember two being on Hartline.
     
  12. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think Tannehill's deep accuracy is a little misconstrued. Chris (ckparrothead) had a great stat about Tannehill throwing deep to everyone else other than Wallace. Today, we say a beautiful throw to Hartline deep that went right through his hands.

    That throw wouldn't have mattered though other than for fantasy purposes.

    I'm in the camp that Tannehill is always going to be an inconsistent QB. I've been in that camp since the middle of last year. With that said, I'm not about to give way to Matt Moore.

    I think this team is a playoff team. I think it's QB holds them back. However, I don't think Matt Moore makes us any better. He may hit a couple of those throws, but when Tannehill gets hot, Moore can't duplicate that. The problem is Tannehill can't consistently duplicate that. Neither can Moore.

    I want Tannehill to play the duration of this season. My hope is that the organization will see that he's not the guy. I don't want there to be any excuse.
     
  13. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    It's a little silly to use this game to judge Tannehill's future on. He spent the first half with as much pressure in his face as any QB in the league will see this year. 2 of his 12 drives ended on 3rd down with his receivers dropping would-be first downs. We have no idea how these drives or Tannehill's ensuing performance would've turned out had these passes been caught.

    Another 2 of the 12 drives took place in the final 4 minutes trailing by 16 pts, with one of these hindered by Hartline dropping a deep ball. So right off the bat we're essentially left with 8 drives.

    Additionally,
    The 2nd drive of the game saw a 1 yard run on 1st down, setting up 2nd & long against a defense that's applying heavy pressure. The 2nd down deep pass attempt was incomplete leaving a 3rd & 9. That's far from a winning position for a QB or offense to be in.

    The 3rd drive saw the play call lose 5 yards on 1st down as Clay was dropped for a loss, followed by back-to-back sacks in more obvious passing situations. This drive was over before it began and there was little Tannehill could do about it.

    The 4th drive ended on a 3rd & 7 RUN for 2 yards, hence Tannehill didn't have a chance to determine his own fate on this drive.

    The 5th drive saw a blown up play on 2nd down that led to another 3rd & long [3rd & 11]. On this 3rd down Tannehill was pressured into scrambling, again removing the opportunity for him to determine his own fate on this drive.

    The 6th drive saw a FG. It was a nice 5 minute drive, but again, a 1st down play call saw a loss to Charles Clay, setting up 2nd & 11. Tannehill then missed Gibson on 3rd & 11 for a would-be first down or potential TD. He should've hit it, but then again he shouldn't have been in his 5th consecutive drive facing a 3rd & long.

    The 7th was a nice 6 minute drive ending in a TD.

    {The 8th drive was Miller's crucial 3rd down drop after Buffalo's defense had been on the field for 11 of the past 14 minutes [28 total plays]. Miami's offense was in rhythm at the time, so who knows what would've happened had the drive not prematurely ended. Miller's drop also provided Buffalo a short-field drive from Miami's 48 that resulted in a FG.}

    The 9th drive ended in a 3rd & 5 RUN for 4 yards. Again Tannehill didn't have a chance to determine his own fate on the drive.

    The 10th drive saw yet ANOTHER 3rd & long [3rd & 11] after the blown-up screen to Miller, and Tannehill was again pressured to scramble.

    All total, that's 2 of 12 drives ending on dropped pass. 2 ending on unsuccessful 3rd down runs. 3 ending on a sack or pressure. 2 ending while in 16 point catch-up mode with 4 minutes to play. That's 9 of 12 drives. Tannehill left a few plays on the field for sure, but he was far from being in a position to succeed. Matt Moore would've likely had his *** handed to him today under those same circumstances.
     
  14. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    This thread is more premature than I was in highschool.

    I'm not ready to give up on Tannehill just yet!!
     
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  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    They had that chance with Rodgers and arguably Matt Ryan. They forced the issue with Tannehill most likely and bypassed the best MLB since Patrick Willis in the process. Though passed on Willis too, to draft the Ginn family.
     
  16. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    That's why we are judging it on the last 34 games.
     
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  17. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I think you have to keep Tannehill at least until the bye. Hopefully he turns it on. Not looking good so far, but you still need to give him more time.
     
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The one thing Matt Moore has done that's impressed me most was that 21 play drive against the Jets in the last game of 2011. Some here claim all he could do is chuck it high and deep to Marshall that season. Yet on that drive, he dinked and dunked it down the field methodically and beautifully. Finished with a 1 yd TD pass to Clay, giving us a lead we never relinquished that day. I have been a Moore fan since his Oregon State days. Likely before 99% here ever heard of him.
     
  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Also, in Moore's most extensive playing time, 2011, a passer rating of 87.1 in 790 snaps. 13 games or so.
    In Tannehill's best season, a passer rating of 81.7
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He was fine in relief in 2012. Came in early in the Jets game when RT got hurt and led us to a lopsided victory.
     
  21. CaribPhin

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    Y'all people thinking Moore can save Philbin's job are crazy.

    Why the hell do you want Philbin to save his job in any way other than Tannehill having a great season? Any other way he saves his job means we're going to suck again or be 7-9 the year after that.
     
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  22. CaribPhin

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    I feel I should say I'm pretty down on the team and Tannehill. I just think Matt Moore sucks too. If Tannehill sucks, lets give Gus Malzahn a fighting chance with a high pick.

    Two things with Moore:

    2011 was 3 seasons ago. Face it, he probably sucks. 3 years out of action for an average player doesn't scream comeback season. Might as well suck with the guy who has a smidgen of potential (and I do mean a smidgen).

    If he is actually good enough to win 9 games, we'll have the same coaching staff (probably sans Lazor) and we'll be attempting to draft a franchise QB at 15-19. What the hell are you even trying to accomplish with that?
     
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  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Opinion, I'd guess. :confused2:
     
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  24. Griese's Glasses

    Griese's Glasses Well-Known Member

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    Not really a good representation as the first 16 games were rookie season stats and everything after that was with a below college level OL.
     
  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Whom here said: "I think Moore can save Philbin's job" ??
     
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  26. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    when the **** did leadership become a statistic?
     
  27. seabass0795

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    No

    /thread
     
  28. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Tannehill isn't going to be benched.

    Accept that and see if the offense gels over time. It is a new system after all.
     
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  29. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I'm going to say this again.

    When your QB can't hit a deep ball, or create, teams will stack the box because he can't hurt them. This happens to all poor passers, and their careers die.
    Add to this that he is inaccurate even on shorter passes, and it will not get easy on RT as far as facing pressure.
    Today was an example of that.
     
  30. ToddPhin

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    it's still premature to judge his future on the last 34 games, regardless of the fact the first 32 were with the terrible Mike Sherman, behind a weak O-line, without the aid of a ground game, and with a hindering QB coach who had no business being in the NFL in the first place. It's now a new system, drastically different than the last, and Tannehill is still very much developing as a QB, perhaps more than we would've liked thanks to his prior QB coach's ineptitude. We can't sit here and pretend we didn't know what we were getting when drafting Tannehill, and that's a QB with some rawness that might require a little more time to maximize the potential of, certainly more than 34 games. It's difficult to maximize that potential when you don't have the right coaches or system around him to allow it.

    34 games is just a number. You're using it as if it presents meaning because it's a number. But what is it really? Does it actually represent 34 games of proper development, no different than he would've been afforded had Lazor been his OC and QB "guru" from the time he was drafted? 34 means nothing WADR. Tannehill is finally in a system conducive for success and finally has coaching around him capable of maximizing his potential and turning him into a consistent passer if he has it in him. Therefore at his age and his developmental level, you can't just lump all 34 games together and call it a day. There's the first 32 games under Sherman & his nepotistic, unfit QB coach.... and then there's his first 2 games under Lazor. He obviously has some growth to do, but what third year QB doesn't? Furthermore, you can't just call him inaccurate as if it's an end-all be-all trait. There are mechanical issues involved with some of his errant throws, and these are fixable. His footwork still isn't consistent. It's improved, but it's not yet consistent. Manning, Brees, Brady, and Rodgers' footwork is consistent. As his footwork gets closet to their level of consistency, his accuracy will become more efficient. His accuracy and ball placement may very well prove to be nearly maxed out, however 34 games is not enough time by NFL standards to jump to that conclusion, and you certainly don't want to give up on a player with Tannehill's talent and mental makeup before enough time passes to reach an appropriate conclusion.

    We know what Matt Moore is. He has no upside left. At 30 years old he's a good backup for a reason, yet you're trying to elevate him as though he immediately thrusts us into Super Bowl contention or something. He's not the answer. He's not our version of Kurt Warner. He attempted 6 passes last year; 2 were INT'd [it was against THE BILLS by the way]. Prematurely ditching the still-developing Tannehill for the maxed-out Moore would likely mean spending another 1st rounder on QB and thus setting us back even further at the position. Now, not only is Moore NOT a clear cut upgrade over Tannehill, but if he were an upgrade, it wouldn't be enough of one to rationalize setting the team back at the position for another handful of years while we search for MOORE's replacement when we could've instead allowed Tannehill to show us what level of development he has in him this year and thus potentially avoiding a need to invest heavily in a replacement in 2015.
     
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  31. ToddPhin

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    Today was an example of Buffalo's defensive line dominating Miami's offensive line and thus dictating the game, nothing more, nothing less. How Buffalo was able to scheme it up had MUCH LESS to do with Tannehill than it did their D-line killing us at the point of attack.... or behind it.
     
  32. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Yup, John Beck and Cleo Lemon and Henne had the same problem. It was all about poor OL. If only John Beck had a good OL, dude, he would've been a HOFer.
     
  33. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    IMO, this game was an example of multiple STs failures dictating the game. Take away the blocked punt, the KO return TD, and muffed punt, and despite the OL, and any other offensive shortcomings, we'd have been in this game until the end and perhaps won. I honestly cannot remember a game where we had all 3 of those things happen.
     
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  34. Kingtut561

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    Good point. I forgot about the terrible special teams play.
     
  35. ToddPhin

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    ... and that, too, as far as the overall game goes.

    Personally I think Buffalo's D-line domination through much of the game was independent of their special teams effort. If their defense weren't kicking our ***, we wouldn't have had a punt attempt to get blocked in the first place and we wouldn't have gotten stuffed on 4th down on our 48 which directly led to that pressure-filled muffed punt deep in our own territory 4 plays later, no?

    Either way, I wasn't intending to take away from the damage our special teams did, pappy. I was referring more to our general offensive inefficiency, which I thought was dictated more by Buffalo's D-line than accuracy issues from Tannehill.
     
  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You're gonna have games where the offense and/or defense may not match up as well as usual, and struggle. That does not excuse the STs fiascoes we witnessed with our team.
     
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  37. Jaj

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    Part of the reason a screen game is important is because it allows you to hit the edges of the defense opening up the middle. Miami did that on their TD drive and their FG drive through running the ball outside. Had Tannehill been able to hit a screen pass to save his life the pressure would have been significantly less. Jerry Hughes literally jumped into the backfield multiple times. There was no hesitation on the part of Buffalo in any of that.

    On that play to Miller where Miller dropped a crucial third down pass (that was fired way too hard for that pass), you are seeing what Buffalo gave up all day. They gave up the dump off game and it was the right move considering that Tanny simply does not his tailbacks, TEs, and slot WRs with accurate balls that allow for YAC.

    Pennington was amazing at this.
     
  38. JMHPhin

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    I am not saying RT played great but we sucked badly as a team. We didn't lose cause of RT, he didn't win it. It is mind boggling the lengths people go to to blame Rt. Is he a great qb? Don't know and isn't playing like it. But he hadn't lost us games either. Spec teams blew, defense failed to show up. We had some bad passes, bad drops, missed assignments on oline, no run game. We got beat.

    I said it Friday this game scared me, bills had everything goog their way, home opener, team sold and are staying in Buf, Jim Kelly declared cancer free, the emotion could be felt through the tv
     
  39. Alex44

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    The concerning part isn't that he had a bad game. Its that he hasn't had a good or above average one in the last four contests and has gotten worse.

    Im not throwing in the towel on him but there is plenty of valid cause for concern.
     
  40. CitizenSnips

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    Im a little baffled by everyone putting this on RT as well. Special teams had a punt blocked, two punts shanked, a KR FOR A TD, and a fumble on our own 10 yd line.

    Combine that with our defense giving up every dink and dunk throw ej had and yea, RT isnt high up on my **** list this week personally
     
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