Exactly!!! No, why do something sensible and honest like that? It's better to put the blame on anything else, but the real problem. He's just not good enough. He's not the answer. I wish nothing more than to be wrong here, but, unfortunately, I'm not. He's not the answer.
and I do think there is validity in that statement as well.. I mentioned last week after his post game presser that he wasn't sure of himself..he looked and spoke nervously, he looked overwhelmed today.
It is indeed time to face reality. NE is winning the division, as usual, and you guys will be fighting in week 17 just to get into the playoffs.
Did you all see the way Wallace fought for that ball? Where are the props???? At least he's improving.
I started this thread because it is a legitimate concern that Ryan may not mark the necessary jump. It wasn't an overreaction to a week 2 loss in which MANY Dolphins players played bad, it was me watching Ryan labor to make NFL throws the past 4 games. I'm hoping one solid performance snaps him out of his funk and he regains his confidence. The Wallace deep ball issue is no longer my greatest fear as far as his career. I fear we have a younger version of JP Losman and not Matt Ryan, we have the rest of the year to figure that out but it's not off to an encouraging start.
I'm not suggesting we pull him---we don't have anything better. I'm just saying odds are, given his performance thus far, he's not a star QB and we will have to continue the search in the offseason.
I am glad someone else saw that too. Utterly embarrassing! The most animation the HC showed the entire game. We have come out FLAT both 1st halves of our 1st two games. To literally sitting on the ball before the half...to showing all that emotion on a missed FG(gm was over already), spoke volumes to me. First and foremost, these flat performances are on the players. But I have just about given up on Philbin. His lack of confidence in his team and RT, just about turned me against him. Hate to say it but I saw it as gutless and weak.
As much as I want to believe in Tannehill, I don't see any improvement from Las year. I'm casting my final vote, he's not a franchise QB. I had high hopes for henne too. Smh. I hope Ryan can get his act together because I'm tired of people making excuses and being all positive when your being fed **** pie.
I think the main problem is not having the confidence that your Qb can make a play when you need a play to be made, and that lack of confidence comes from a large sample size of reps, there's something missing in the transition process, from reading a defense, to nothing else engages..meaning the physical body, nor the improvisational instincts can kick in when he's reading a defense.. Just doesn't see a lot of the field and the footwork is slow.
Gannon did not begin to play at a high level until his early 30s. Is that what we can expect with RT?
Actually, Rizzi was hired by the previous regime. Philbin just chose to retain him. I think generally speaking, he is a good STs coach. He sure did not teach Landry how to muff a punt. I am sure he told Williams to not let the rusher get inside when blocking for the punter. We probably had some new guys on the kickoff team due to Trusnik and Jenkins being elevated to starters on defense. Also, Spiller is as good a a kickoff returner as there is in the game today, so I guess we should give him some credit for being a flat out stud.
Luck looks like Ray Romano to me, and I have never found Ray to be very funny at all. So when I see Luck I think there is the QB who looks like the unfunny funny man.
Like I said, he doesn't have command of the position. It's a difficult position to play, and to be successful at it at the NFL level, you need to have command of it.
I know that we have to wait until this season but man..this is just heartbreaking. Yes, we have to wait until the end of the season but so far Tannehill is NOT the guy we've been thinking. I hope he prove me wrong. Otherwise we have to spend all those resources AGAIN to get a new QB.
I don't mind. We spent a 1st rdr on Juwuan, Dion Jordan, Odrick. It's not a big deal to spend "all those" resources on a QB. It's certainly better than tying up $15-20 mil on the wrong QB. Here's to hoping that does not happen, because there is a chance that will happen.
The series of decisions of hiring a fired college coach (Sherman) to install an offense, a first-time head coach who was our third or fourth choice (Philbin), a line coach whose oft-repeated qualification was that he'd been in the Marine Corps, the use of the eighth pick overall on a quarterback who played wide receiver for a good part of his college career, the bringing in of two linebackers who whiffed, and consistently bad drafts with a few individual exceptions are having predictable results.
I don't think the NFL has that kind of patience anymore. Tannehill would have to go via the same route as Gannon, top level backup with the occcasional start until he winds up in the right system that plays to his strengths.
while I agree that Tannehill is likely not our QB of the future, I think people are blowing yesterday out of proportion. -playing on the road, Buffalo's home opener where they are jacked up for multiple reasons already mentioned -playing a team that we match up VERY poorly against -emotional high we were riding from beating New England in our own home opener -it's only the 2nd game of the season. -If you look at the stats, Tannehill's completion percentage is better than Brady, Foles and Smith, all highly touted last season, and half a percentage point behind STafford. We're going to have a very up-and-down season that is going to drive us nuts. I predict we beat KC and Oakland to get everyone excited about going into the bye week 3-1. but I think we finish either 8-8 or 9-7 (if we can get healthy). Philbin will get fired. Lazor will get promoted. So, Lazor has this whole season to evaluate whether Tannehill can grow into his system.
I actually felt RT played fairly well under the circumstances, he was under constant pressure pretty much the whole first half, took some nasty hits and did not turn the ball over. Add this to a zero running game! I do not think any quarterback would have faired much better. Look what happened to Brady last week or Rodgers at Seattle. While I have my concerns with leadership skills, I do not think this is a good game to measure RT's progress or lack of. This game was lost due to Special Teams our defense's inability to apply like pressure, dropped balls and poor coaching. To pin this one on RT is blatantly wrong on numerous accounts. I do not understand that when they get in these situations why they do not roll him out, use screens reverses. The other thing why did they have to wait to the half to sort out the offensive line aren't all the coaches on the sideline!!!
I do believe RT deserves SOME blame (though not as much as a lot of people this thread are giving him). But I agree with everything else.
If Hartline catches that TD, and Miller. .his stats would've been great...not a solving anything, just pointing that out.
We have seen this before. He can make some really good throws and win some games but no pocket awareness, horrible deep ball, inconsistant. Chad Henne 2.0
Disagree, Wilson has made a living off of hitting WR's with 4 yards of cushion who turn those dink-and-dunk passes into big gains. His success is mostly system driven IMO. Last weekend he threw 2 TD's for about 50 yards. About 6 of those were in the air. SEA gets play makers and game plans well to get them open, so when they get a chance they make big plays. Wilson to his credit makes the right reads but he's hardly ever asked to make tough throws. When he does he seems to have the luck factor, like bouncing balls off of defenders helmets that the WR can catch and take to the house. It's weird **** no doubt, but he's no better than Tanny IMO. And I'm not an enormous Tanny fan.
Tannehill has played a number of good games over his first two seasons. He also owns a stretch of 14 out of 16 quarters of real nose holding. I did not get to see this game yesterday but I was following the action on the NFL Play by Play app. We knew going in this game was going to be a real test for us. Buffalo was not only jacked for that game, but seems to be built to beat us. They just match up well against the Phins. Still even with that in mind Tannehill has to hit his receivers better. I'm not gonna be that guy and start calling for the backup, but if Thill doesn't improve by mid season what choice are they gonna have.
This was no test. They scored 10 points on Dolphins turnover in redzone on ST, and with Spiller return on ST. Thyeb asically score 19 points, and even those they scored because we did not move the ball at all in the first half. And the reason we did not move the ball was the offensive gameplan and playcalling. Coaches failed, and ST failed. If we did our thing, there is no test. We win this. We failed ourselves in this game.
Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley 1h Stat of the day (maybe the month): On passes thrown 20+ yards, Tannehill is 1 of 7 for 22 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT. Passer rating: 0.6 (!!!!)
If Dion Sims doesn't drop that perfectly thrown TD last week, then the stats go to 2-7 for 62 yards 1 TD, 1INT. still not very good, but not as awful either.
Long time dolphin fan from Canada here... Grew up watching Marino in his prime, and have been stuck a phin fan eversince (what a sad thing it has been btw). Yesterday irked me in a number of ways... 1) Offensive line - Just a disaster. The first half especially was almost funny to watch. The dolphins just didn't have any answer, as the bills d-line was penetrating and breaking down any kind of protection at will. 2) Crappy coaching - Phiblin seems so lost at times. I didn't get to watch last week's game, but was shocked to see that a dolphins team under his watch could actually come out after halftime with a game plan that may have been adjusted based on the first half and pull out a win as a consequence. Watched yesterday, and just same old same phiblin. i hated the play calling especially from the start of the game. RT (will pose my opinion in the next point) is a young qb who i think needs to get some early completions in to get some confidence to build off. The bills were coming, and coaching/coordinating staff had no answer in their game plan to try pushing the run, misdirection, draw, screen plays to try to offset the overly aggressive bills d. The exclamation point was wiht the dolphins having possession, 3 time outs, and over a minute left before the half, and instead of trying to do ANYTHING positive with the possession, they simply ran out the clock. Shows how much confidence this group had in any facet of their offense. 3) tannehill - i have been a pretty big skeptic of his arm and throwing ability for a while now. I find that there are times he can gun a pass into a tight window (mainly on some crossing routes) but other than that has a very very inaccurate throw. His passes are so often too short, behind the receiver, or heck no where close to the target (that's with or without pressure mind you). I loved that CBS really called him out on that deep ball down the middle to wallace early in the game. 1 on 1, wallace has a step, and there's no safeties anywhere, that has to be a gimme. 4) Special teams - let's not even talk about it Not a negative: Defense - i know the d gave up some big plays, mostly off yards after making a short catch type plays mind you. However, hats off to the group in my opinion. The game really should have been in the realm of 21-0 at halftime, but thank the d for keeping the game under double digits. i think most fans would prefer stepping back, and looking at the current situation as the phins came out after playing their 2 big division rivals, and being 1-1 is an OK outcome. I'm fine with that to an extent. But man, it's the way they lost. Going back to last season, how embarassing have these games against the bills been? I'm all for not getting too caught up in rivalries, as in the end, it's just an W or L, but miami offensive group was humiliated in the first half in every facet of the game other than the score. It sure feels like another one of those "stuck in mediocraty" years for us dolphin fans. Come out and beat down a strong team like the pats, and the next week completely stumble against a team like the bills that should be in the same realm of quality as the dolphins. There isn't any point in sitting tannehill this season (unless anyone think that the rest of the offense, and defense are playoff grade). It's sink or swim time, so give him the leash to control his own destiny. At he end of the season though, make the hard decision on phiblin and on tannehill, this mediocracy is tiresome to watch.
Because, Rizzi has not been super inconsistent. One bad game is one bad game. RT has been like a yo-yo in most games in his career. And, there have been big question-marks in his play for two years. We're still waiting. He still is a problem.
