MERGED-Dion Jordan Suspension Lifted; Then a Second Suspension Added

No his 1st suspension was not 2 games, officially it was overturned completely, just like Welker and Scandrick.

Plus, its all the same now...PEDs and other banned substances are all covered under same new policy...no longer different rules for different substances.

6 games indicates masking penalty of 2 games, plus other banned substances of 4 games = 6 games.

 

No.

 

What?

Of course they did something wrong and I am and was a huge Ricky fan. The put themselves ahead of their team and decided their desires were more important to indulge in than doing ( or not doing ) what they knew was against NFL policy . Plain and simple. Doesn't mean he can't change but this shows he is prone to being selfish and not making decisions for the betterment of himself and the team.

Blame goes to Jordan and to those that either ignored what probably were pretty evident signs or didn't do their due diligence to emphatically know the character of the player they moved up to #3 to draft. Jordan and the Dolphins did something wrong.

 

Jordan certainly isn't the first high draft pick to fail in the NFL. It really doesn't matter how many other teams wanted to draft him or whether or not there was a consensus on the Dolphins draft to trade up and take Jordan.

At this point he is what he is. That appears to be a player who is going to have a tough time making it in the NFL. I agree many people thought he was something special entering the 2013 draft. Obviously they were wrong, just as many people have been wrong in regards to college players entering the draft ever since it started.

Some times you hit it big when you have a top three pick and sometimes you don'T. Unfortunately for the Dolphins, Jordan appears to be one of those misses as a top three pick in the NFL.

 

You should never blow the third overall pick , unless it is an injury situation . You can't miss when you pick that high , fatal flaw for teams that do imo and the Dolphins have , we had the number one overall pick and while Long played well for a short period of time that was a terrible use of the premiere pick in the entire draft. No secret why we've been treadmilling it, hopefully Hickey changes that. We'll see.

 

Failed to date he has.

 

You are correct that a person should be able to decide what he or she wants to put into their body, as long as they are ready to accept the consequences for their actions.

Like it or not, there are specific rules in the NFL which prohibit the use of certain drugs and PED's. The player's association, which represents the players have agreed to these rules and therefore each and every player much abide by these rules or suffers the penalty if they don't.

While I support the legalization of marijuana, I haven't read any report that this was the drug Jordan tested positive for. Even if it was, the fact is that this is a drug which remains illegal in most states and its use is also against the rules established by the NFL and the players association.

If Jordan wants to smoke pot, instead of playing in the NFL, I have no problem with that. He can always retire from the game and move to Colorado, where he will be free to smoke as much pot as he wants to.

You can blame whomever you want to, but the fact is that the only person who deserves 100% of the blame for his four game suspension is Jordan. He made the decision to indulge in the use of a prohibited drug and therefore he has to suffer the consequences for his actions.

 

I agree you shouldn't miss on a pick that high, but it does happen. The main reason Ireland is no longer the Dolphins GM is because he missed on far too many draft picks.

I'm certainly not happy that the Dolphins wasted the third pick of the 2013 draft, and also a second round pick in the same draft on Jordan, but it is what it is.

Ireland is no longer around to screw up the draft and hopefully Hickey will prove to be a far better GM than Ireland ever was.

 

Yep...which is why I can't understand people that feel the need to keep posting stuff like, "Thanks Ireland" etc etc. He's gone...get over it...Hickey already looks like a major improvement IMHO.

 

We can spend days looking back at what the Phins should have done..but in the two years since..its all been said already.

Going forward..Jordan is on the team. Whats the best realistic way for the Phins to handle him IMO.

 

He's a POS keep him away from the rest of the team. Busted.

 

If he had been a mid round selection, he would just be considered what he is. A below average player who needs a lot of development just to be considered a mediocre player in the NFL.

As the top defensive taken in the 2013 draft, Jordan most certainly has been a bust so far. You expect a player taken as high as he was in the draft to come in and have an immediate impact.

His injury aside, instead of preparing for this season by learning the playbook and doing everything he could to prove he deserved to be the top defensive player taken in last years draft. He first took a PED, then an unknown drug. Putting these substances in his body has led to him being suspended for the first 6 games this year. He obviously doesn't have his priorities in order if he wants to be an NFL player. Therefore at this time you can only conclude that he is a bust as an NFL player at this time.

 

Definitive end of career bust? No.

Bust to date? Yes.

Traded up to third overall and this is the production we've gotten. No matter how it is presented it is a miss to date and a big one. Miss is on the previous GM.

 

No, these guys aren't slaves and they shouldn't be criminals either. You may want to watch that kind of game, but I don't and neither do a lot of other people.

 

Don't make assumptions about what I am or am not consumed by. I have my own opinions and they have nothing to do with the social media. I never thought Randy McMichael was a good player to begin with, so that's a horrible example. Brandon Marshall has emotional problems. That doesn't make him either a criminal or a bad person. Another horrible example. Perhaps you should concentrate on coming up with better arguments and leave the psychoanalysis to the professionals.

 

Ok. Then dont watch it.

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For where he was picked, yes he is.

 

I am somewhat amused that your tunnel vision is so narrow that you aren't seeing what is going on right now with the NFL.
In a short while, you'll be the one who won't want to watch it, given your position.

 

I mean....you can either not watch or hope a group of people allofasudden stop doing what they want to do. Good luck with the latter.

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Same thing going on in the NFL goes on in every profession. It just doesn't play out on ESPN.

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If they want to get paid the big bucks, they're going to have to put off their drug binges till after they retire. It's that simple. And if they beat up their wives and kids, they're going to be cut by their teams or suspended for a good long time without pay.

 

Other professions don't do their work on live TV in front of millions of people.

 

Why? Every other famous millionaire does as much blow and get in as much trouble as they want. What is it with you guys need for the NFL to be the boy scouts?

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Stop being so damned hyperbolic. No one expects them to be boy scouts, we'd just prefer they not be wife-beating drug addicts.

 

Perhaps you missed the part where the NFL has a drug policy, which was approved by the players association. Therefore since they have a policy, every player must abide by the policy or they will be suspended if they don't.

As far as your comment that EVERY famous millionaire does as much blow as they want to and also get in trouble. This obviously a bit of hyperbole on your part. I would have to suspect that very few millionaires actually do any blow at all or they wouldn't be millionaires for long.

Perhaps the high use of drugs by NFL players is the reason 78% of the former NFL players go bankrupt within five years of retirement from the NFL. Perhaps if they spent less time indulging in drugs and more time in making quality investments for the future, the number of former players declaring bankruptcy would be far less.

Personally I accept the NFL for what it is. It is merely a child's game which is played by adults for the enjoyment of those who happen to enjoy watching the game. For the most part, the players are individuals who have been given special attention merely because of their skill at this game. Many of them feel entitled because of this ability to play the sport better than most everyone else.

Since I played the game when I was younger, I happen to enjoy watching it now. While I respect the talent of any athlete who can play at the highest level of a sport. I certainly don't view them as being above the law or the rules they are required to follow as a member of a professional league.

 

I'm not sure what Marshall has, it's called BPD, I think he's just an immature hothead who lacked self introspection and needed to learn how to grow up, not sure though.folks from Harvard and sh&$ say it's when you can't control your temper, and emotional outbursts caused from anxiety and depression..

Sounds like the same thing to me.

 

I think many people just don't understand mental illness. If a person has a physical disability or an illness others can see or relate to, it seems easier for those people to accept someone had a legitimate issue they are dealing with.

Mental illness on the other hand is something most people don't understand at all. So when someone acts in a manner which appears to be against the norm, they are said to be weird, immature, hot headed, crazy. or various other descriptions.

Marshall obviously had mental issues he had to deal with and he deserves credit for being mature enough to seek treatment for his disorder. It is just too bad that we have so many in our society who don't understand that mental issues are just as hard or harder to deal with by an individual than the physical illnesses which all people deal with from time to time.

I think there are probably far more players in the NFL who suffer from some type of mental problem, but they prefer to self medicate, instead of getting the professional help they actually need for their problem. Perhaps if these players followed the lead of Marshall and sought help, there would far less domestic abuse cases and drug users in the NFL.

In fact this goes for society as a whole.

 

3rd overall picks since 2000.
2000-Chris Samuels, OT Alabama, Redskins
2001-Gerard Warren DT Florida, Browns
2002-Joey Harrington QB Oregon, Lions
2003-Andre Johnson WR Miami (FL), Texans
2004-Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh, Cards
2005-Braylon Edwards WR Michigan, Browns
2006-Vince Young QB Texas, Titans
2007-Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin, Browns
2008-Matt Ryan QB Boston College, Falcons
2009-Tyson Jackson DE LSU, Chiefs
2010-Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma, Bucs
2011-Marcell Dareus DE Alabama, Bills
2012-Trent Richardson RB Alabama, Browns
2013-Dion Jordan DE Oregon, Dolphins
2014-Blake Bortles QB UCF, Jaguars

How many of those would you say were worse picks than Jordan?

 

Yeah I'm not so sure, I've worked with lots of kids and adults with real mental illness..I don't know if he has anything different than a lot of us, just depends on how you figure sh@& out in your own sometimes..

 

As opposed to the great god damn george bush... who I guess Jordan resembles since he can't kick his drug habit.

And if that post is too far but his is okay, I will throw my monitor out a goddamn window.

 

So, you have any evidence whatsoever to back up the accusation that the former President Bush was doing drugs while in office or since? I think you should consider throwing your keyboard out the window instead, since that's where you're screwing up.

 

Im so glad you guys on this forum are learning new words and all, but we have about 10-20 grown men throwing out "hyperbolic," "strawman," and "red herring" casually.....on a sports forum. Im really happy for you guys broadening your horizons and all but youre becoming "that guy" who no one wants to share a beer with.

Anyhoot....yes the NFL has a drug policy like every other company. I dont have an issue with that, never did. I got an issue when people say the NFL has a problem like every other industry doesn't get high. Americans love their drugs, period.

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You can and do grade at intervals, the grade to date is a fail . Doesn't mean he can't make the grade a passing one or even a glowing one , but to date it definitely is a fail.

 

Not sure the point?

To date Jordan is an obvious fail , but he can change that of course. Whether other teams and other management poorly made selections isn't the issue ( and most of those players are plusses compared to Jordan presently ) , the issue is that this "may" be a poor or even terrible pick that the Dolphins decided to move up for in the draft. IMO you don't risk something as valuable as the #3 OVERALL PICK on a character risk , an immature player, one with serious challenges ( deep depression ) , someone who places his selfish desires ahead of what is right for the team. You don't go all in on someone you aren't virtually certain will repay your investment. You can miss with lower picks , not extremely high ones , think right now , this season , last season , we wouldn't be significantly better if we had drafted more astutely , more prudently for the #3 OA pick ? or let's go back to the #1 OA .

Of course you can miss on those types of picks if you don't mind missing the playoffs , continually at that. Good teams, well run teams , teams with plus management don't miss or waste those opportunities. We have new management ( thankfully , years too late though ) so we'll see if this continues or improves.

 

Perhaps they're new to you, but I've known them since I was in my teens. I'm surprised you think it's noteworthy that grown men know common words that any intelligent person should know.

I don't drink beer, I drink vodka or tequila. And even after a few of either, I would still be able to use hyperbole, strawman or any other of a number of common, everyday words without too much trouble.

I didn't see anyone here saying the NFL has more drug users than other industries. I see people saying that grown men who get paid a lot of money to play a kid's game should be able to keep their selfish desires in check for the few years that it would take them to get some good money and assure a post-playing job in broadcasting or coaching or whatever. It's not that hard. If they're physically addicted to a drug, they have the money and resources to get treatment. If they just like to smoke pot, well...they can NOT do it for a few years and earn millions of dollars. Otherwise, they're just self-involved, short-sighted idiots.

 

Bust? Not yet. On the road to it? Yes.