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Post Jimmy Johnson Coaches - Rank the Ineptitude

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by GARDENHEAD, Sep 22, 2014.

  1. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Here's my list of the most inept coaches since Shula (not counting Todd Bowles or Jim Bates since they were interim guys):

    1. Cam Cameron (2007). When you go 1-15, you gotta be the number one guy.
    2. Dave Wannestedt (2000-2004). I don't think a lot of people will agree with this one, but this team was STACKED with talent and consistently got outcoached.
    3. Joe Philbin (2012-2014). Clueless. Utterly clueless. No idea how to motivate football players. No control over the team.
    4. Nick Saban (2005-2006). Lost more games than he won, but he acted like he was a GOD. Bonus ineptitude points for that wimpy pump-fake challenge flag throw.
    5. Tony Sparano (2008-2011). Another example of a guy just not ready to be HC. His teams completely lacked talent. But, he (and Pennington) won the Division. Gotta get some props for that.
     
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  2. vt_dolfan

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    Why in the world would I want to spend time....trying to rank those knuck knucks? They all suck. Hows that
     
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  3. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    That's about how I see it, but Philbin is very quickly approaching the 2nd worst.
     
  4. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    I like your list, but I would flip Saban with Sparano. Saban was a decent coach who made terrible personnel decisions.

    I also agree that Philbin is sneaking up on the Wannstache. Right now, Dave Wannstedt's "Let's keep it close and win it in the 4th quarter" spoken during halftime of a game his team is leading by 10 points is exactly the kind of nonsense I would expect to hear from Joe.
     
  5. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    The walking over the convulsing Jeno James means Saban is automatically worse than Sparano. That's such a horrible moment that it should put him at 2nd worst on its own, were it not for the ineptitude of the other two.
     
  6. Unlucky 13

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    No one who's been the head coach of the Dolphins has ever been an NFL head coach afterwards. Kind of cheating to say that since Shula was here 25 years and Jimmy retired when he could have coached another decade, but every hire this century has been a dud. I was against Cam, Tony and Philbin from day one, and felt that we were doing a deal with the devil bringing in Saban and Tuna.

    15 years. Five head coaches. Not one that I was excited about.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Philbin makes me wish for Cam Cameron.
     
  8. Kud_II

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    It would make me feel dirty to list one of those guys as the best(of the worst) even.

    Why not rank the QBs since Dan too.. I'll give it a whirl.

    1. Pennington (FA)
    2. Fiedler (FA)
    3. Moore (FA)
    4. Tannehill (1st rd pick #8)
    5. Henne (2nd rd pick #57)
    6. Frerotte (FA)
    7. Green (Trade 5th rd pick)
    8. Griese (FA)
    9. Harrington (Trade 6th rd pick)
    10. Feeley (Trade 2nd rd pick #35)
    11. Lemon (Trade Feeley + 6th rd pick)
    12. Lucas (FA)

    Went with those who played at least 5 games in Miami.
     
  9. jw3102

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    Wannstedt's biggest area of weakness as an NFL HC was the fact that he wanted to be involved in player personnel decisions, which he was terrible.

    As a HC, he was a success in regards to winning teams his first four years and it all fell apart in his fifth year because of the bad player personnel decisions he made as the teams HC.

    He did inherit a quality defense from Johnson, but the offense was average at best. Yet he led them to the playoffs twice, with Jay Fielder as the starting QB.

    If you were only rating him for his ability to select talented players in the draft and in free agency during his time as the teams HC, he would rate at the bottom with Ireland.

    As a head coach who was able to get the most from his team on a fairly regular basis, Wannstedt was certainly a far better HC than all the other head coaches this team has had since Johnson retired and it isn't even close.

    The Dolphins as a team were never as STACKED and talented as you suggest, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Perhaps you forget that the team Johnson left Wannstedt was blown out of the playoffs by the Jacksonville Jags 62-7 in Johnson's final game as the head coach. A team stacked with talent doesn't lose a playoff game by 55 points.
     
  10. Vertical Limit

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    You know what gets me crazy, Todd Bowles' defense in Arizona is elite lol Maybe he should have been our head coach..
     
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  11. emocomputerjock

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    Too hip-hop.
     
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  12. schmolioot

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    Saban the coach was actually good. He turned Taylor from a good player into a Hall of Famer when he switched him to OLB.

    His failing was personnel. If he goes with his gut and chooses Brees over Culpepper he's still here and we would have won a Super Bowl by now.
     
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  13. Boik14

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    Worst from top to bottom....

    1. Cameron - Never wanted him and it was apparent he would be a disaster from day 1.
    2. Philbin - Again, hes just clearly overmatched. Im not sure if it was his son dying when he did but this guy is actually regressing as a coach.
    3. Saban - Schemes were ok, talent selections as GM were awful. And like emo said, the Jeno James thing showed what a turd he was.
    4. Wannstedt - Loaded teams, too much belief in a average QB. Still as bad as his D scheme was, at least we had meaningful December and January games....
    5. Sparano - Didnt have a lot of talent to work with but he got what a coach could get out of it. QB play hurt him after Pennington was done.
     
  14. jw3102

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    You are now the second person on this thread to refer to the roster Wannstedt inherited from Johnson as being loaded or stacked with talent.

    While I agree the defense had several high quality starters. The fact is that the offense was loaded with nothing but mediocre talent at best in 2000, the year Wannstedt took over as head coach of the Dolphins.

    Perhaps if you go on line and look at the players the Dolphins had on offense that year, you will realize that Wannstedt really didn't have much to work with on that side of the ball, yet he still led that team to the playoffs.

    Also while the defense was filled with several quality players. They certainly were never a great defense during those years and were not the type of defense that could carry what proved to be a very mediocre offense during the time Wannstedt was the HC of the team.
     
  15. Griese's Glasses

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    You really rank Moore ahead of Tannehill? Otherwise the list is spot-on.
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think both Frerotte and Green are ahead of Henne.
     
  17. Griese's Glasses

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    Come on. Henne is still a starter in this league, get real.


    There, there Chad....he didn't mean that.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Only because of injury and age.
     
  19. jw3102

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  20. Fame

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    Nick Saban is, and always will be, at the absolute top of my "most hated coaches" list. I know that wasn't really the question, but I hate Saban so much that I'll throw him at the top of the "most inept coach" list just because.
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do believe that good coaches don't quit on their teams
     
  22. Kud_II

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    Welp, Moore had an 87.1 QBR in 2011 over 13 games. Last year, Tanne's best season, had 81.7. Moore went 6-6 as a starter with a team that was on an abysmal 0-4 start.

    Certainly not suggesting he's the answer to our prayers at QB, but at worst he's been as good as Tannehill.
     
  23. 2socks

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    Ireland was a personal genius
     
  24. GARDENHEAD

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    wannestedt was a personal pizza.
     

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