http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/0ap3000000401211/Playbook-QB-or-not-QB Kind of sad, but as of now, unfortunately, true.
This is very similar to what Sterling Sharpe found last year. Start at the 2:50 mark here: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/0ap2000000269528/Playbook-Dolphins-vs-Patriots
Wow Sterling sharp sees the same thing two years in a row. We see it, Ryan T. holding the ball, not releasing it at the right time. I'm constantly yelling at the TV get rid of it.
It's like he's playing a video game with the difficulty level set too high. He could get a bit better in the new offense with repetition. Will that happen soon enough?
The other problem is that on plays where people aren't open right away (in contrast to the ones in the videos in this thread), he doesn't move out of the way of pressure, extend the play with his feet, and make throws downfield. And that's a pretty rough combination. When people are open you don't throw it to them enough, and when they aren't, you can't extend plays with your feet and make throws downfield. That leaves you with a much smaller percentage of plays than the typical QB in which a play can be made. It's little wonder the team has trouble moving the ball and scoring points.
Actually what it looks like is something that's explained very simply: a player who used to play a different position, who was moved to this position because he has some -- but not all -- of the skills required to play it effectively. Tannehill to me is similar to what you'd have if you put Usain Bolt at wide receiver in the NFL: a guy with great speed who can run around very fast on the field, but who would have nowhere near the ability to play the entire wide receiver position well enough to be effective. Similarly, Tannehill has an arm, but nowhere near enough of the diverse skills or abilities to play the entire quarterback position effectively. He's a square peg in a round hole.
Watch him have great game against a bad team and we will be back on the band wagon. If not the tents fold up till next season...
I remember chad henne had about 3-4 bad games and the realistic people started bashing him rightly so.Well next thing you know he pulls a good not great game out of his *** and all you see is how all the bashers have to eat crow.Well we all see how that ended up and it will hapen again because sooner or later he has to have a good game right?
You have to wonder if the constant pressure from having crappy offensive lines has him thinking too much. He does need to start checking down and getting rid of the ball, he holds it too long. He doesn't seem to move up or move very well in the pocket either, a lot of Qbs side step and get out of sacks that Ryan takes. I think the point Sterling makes about Ryan "not seeing or not trusting what he's seeing" is pretty spot on, he just is oblivious to check downs or open guys on a lot of plays. We need to do him a favor and run more and his receivers need to stop dropping the ball, he's been victimized by some terrible drops at times too so its not all him.
He could throw for five TD's and 500 yards against the Raiders and I would still question if he is the long term answer for the Dolphins. The Raiders are the absolute worst team in the NFL and the Dolphins offense should be able to move the ball and Tannehill will probably play effectively against this poor excuse of an NFL team. It all comes down to how effective Tannehill will be over the last 12 games for me. If he plays like he did in the first three games, he will NOT be the starting QB next year under a new head coach.
For some reason he's just too lackadaisical when the game isn't absolutely on the line or its time to go full throttle. I would bet if all of the above plays were the last play of the game or even in the 2 minute drill he'd actually pull the trigger on time. Its funny how much more effective he, and the entire offense, looks during the 2 minute drills.
took too many hits last year. seeing ghosts on the field, hearing footsteps behind him...thank you, Philbin. will he shake it off & begin to fulfill his potential or fade away like so many others in the past? I think game four is turning point one way or the other. this is the type of thing that you either suddenly come back from after a few games or it destroys you. either way we'll know after they play the tomorrow.
Game 3 probably had more emphasis on it than it should. Because there is such a huge difference between 1-2 and 2-1. All week fans have been destroying Tannehill, Lazor, and Philbin. I've though that Coaching was the problem with game 3. Game 2 was on the D and special teams. Both games Tannehill has been sub par but not the primary reason for the losses.
Obviously I hope they win tomorrow and that he plays well, but I think game 5 during week 6 will be interesting after two more weeks (although limited by CBA) of practice in the new system. If we can get our **** together there are many winnable games after the bye.
In games 8 through 14 last year, it looked like he'd turned the corner, so it'll be difficult for me at least to perceive that anything is different on the basis of one good game. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/gamelog/2013/
Yeah, Danny was a master at that or taking those one or two steps up. Most of the great QBs have that ability.
I don't see recognition, and to me that's why even though he has some speed he doesn't run, cause he doesn't recognize.
And I should amend what I said above based on what you said here. He has the diverse set of skills to play the position effectively, but he doesn't seem to have enough command of the position to put them all together in such a way that he can play it effectively. Contrast that with Russell Wilson, who has roughly the same physical skills, but who seems to play the position with such command and with such a second nature feel for it that he plays much more effectively. Again, though, isn't this what you'd expect from someone who was moved from wide receiver to quarterback? Contrast that with Wilson, who had more than double the number of pass attempts than Tannehill at the college level.
Right, but Wilson's trajectory is pointed upward, whereas Tannehill's is heading the other direction as of this year, even though Wilson started his NFL career playing at a much higher level than Tannehill. Wilson has less room to improve, yet he still is, whereas Tannehill has a whole lot more room to improve, but is regressing.
Ok but, what are trying to say then?, that lets be patient with the player because it will eventually come?
I have no idea whether it will eventually come or not, but I know there are players at all positions who have the skills to play them, but who for whatever reason don't pan out, and I'm not seeing any indication from Tannehill that he won't be one of those players. I certainly don't think we should expect him to pan out.
What if it's an interaction among the newness of the offense, the type of offense it is, and his individual ability? If it is, then I think we have to ask ourselves whether someone with greater ability wouldn't be doing better under the same circumstances.
The sample size is too small to make any judgment. We also don't know whether the newness of the offense is responsible for his decline in his performance, rather than perhaps an increase in the complexity of the offense. I think the safest explanation is that it's a combination of the newness of the offense, an increase in its complexity, and his own ability. And if it is that combination, then the possibility exists that someone with greater ability would be doing better under the same circumstances. Nick Foles, anyone?
Right. If you isolate the last two games of last season you'd think he's the worst QB in the league. Yet he had a good improvement from year one to two. So why isolate just a few games so far this season? He may regress but lets see it over some time.
Philly started off last year much like the Dolphins have...and they had FAR more weaponry....they were 1-3 their first four games. Try again. Edit: In fact, they really didn't get it clicking until their 9th game...Arians says hi.
Since we're only at the "what if" stage, I see no sense in panicking over it. If by the end of the season no real improvement is made, THEN it may be those things, but game 3 of the first new offense he's played in since high school, I see no reason to speculate especially considering he improved from Year 1 to Year 2.
They started the season 0-2 in games in which Nick Foles had four or fewer pass attempts (1 in the first game, 4 in the second). They then proceeded to go 9-2 in the games in which he either started or had at least 25 pass attempts. Foles's adjustment to the Eagles' new (Chip Kelly) offense as a young and relatively inexperienced QB is what we're talking about here, not the Eagles' performance as a team prior to Foles's involvement.
Not sure what that means here. Sure every offense has bad games, I never said we were hopeless. I said our slow start isn't the same as theirs at all. 33 30 16 20 In their first four. I guess we can do something fairly similar with a good game.