Here's one way of looking at it, from the following page: Correlating Passing Statistics with Wins Ryan Tannehill's adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) today against Oakland was 8.81, which compares very favorably here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_adj_net_yds_per_att_career.htm ...and here: http://www.pro-football-reference.c...pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y In other words, Ryan Tannehill's ANY/A today was higher than the career ANY/A of any quarterback in history, and higher than that of any quarterback in the league since 1994, when the five-yard chuck rule was implemented. Obviously other quarterbacks have had similar or even better single games in this regard during their careers, but when we compare Tannehill's performance today to his performance in the three games earlier this season, we see just how much of an improvement it was. Against New England, his ANY/A was 4.97. Against Buffalo, it was 3.49. Against KC, it was 4.49. In 2012, his ANY/A was 5.23. In 2013, his ANY/A was 5.00.
While I appreciate the post, I just can't get into the metrics that give bonus points and penalties. Why can't we grade a QB on exactly what he did?
I thought what he did best outside of running the ball, was leading his receivers. I only remember the one pass to Simms that was not a leading throw. Perhaps I am wrong, I was in the back of the bar...
Either way, but mainly with what we saw on the field and on the scoreboard. For example, he looked great today but he was also the 9th best overall for the week (going into the evening game) with a 109+ rating. His official stats were 2 TD/1 INT, but none of that tells you anything about how he actually played. It doesn't tell you, for example, that a holding call negated a 3rd TD pass or that his INT hit the receiver in the hands and went sailing. It also doesn't tell you that he completed 14 straight passes or so much more of the game that creates the overall picture of his performance, and we don't need some fancy formula that a "football guru" created to make himself feel more special. By the way, I've been against Tannehill starting from day 1, so don't think I'm saying this because I'm one of his "rah rah" fans. He simply had a great day with extremely accurate throws, it it doesn't need to be cheapened by more silly formulas that say how great he is. Because if I remember right, we had similar stat guys here trying to show how great he was in week 1-2, even though he was one of the least accurate QB's in the league at that point. All I'm saying is that if you see a guy play well, it doesn't have to be justified with a complex formula to prove it.
In DUs defense...he usually breaks down QB performance with statistics like these..and he does them if bad...or good. I think the single biggest thing we have to see is consistancy. Not one great game two bad. If he does that...everyone will be happy I think in order for statistics to be useful...and they are..it has to be large enough in sample size and be historical in nature..something we can compare it to..
going into this week the chiefs were ranked fourth with nine sacks and the bills were ranked seventh with eight sacks. our offensive line cant handle those types of defensive lines. the patriots are ranked thirteenth with seven and the raiders were ranked twenty third with four. our offensive line can handle these types of lines. It seems to me going forward anytime we play a top ten defensive line we are going to be abysmal on offense but when we play anyone outside of that our offense will put up points. next year we once again will have to invest draft picks on offensive line. the key to our future is not tannehill's development (he's already good enough) it's finding a GM that can build an offensive line. until we have an offensive line that can at least play to a stalemate with top ten defenses we will never have a shot at the ring
very true. thanks for the reality check. i agree 100% Pouncy will make a difference but he can't take on talented defensive lines by himself. i think we need to use our top 3 picks on o-lineman and pick up a couple in free agency just to be safe. i'm sick and tired losing and adding pieces to our o-line every year.
Main difference was, coaches put on his plate exactly what he can handle, 31 attempts, 10-20 yard throws, and they mixed in some zr runs but those were not difference makers. Bubble screens worked today but i would not count on it in the future. He can handle that.
the Raiders are horrible but Tannehill's accuracy today was impressive, save for that one throw behind Dion Sims that popped up in the air and got picked off.
I'd agree if I didn't attribute half the sacks allowed on those games to either Tannehill or coverage.
I believe that was on Sims. Looked like the Raiders were in zone and Sims was supposed to sit down in the soft spot. If you want a bad throw, look no farther than the one on the first drive to Hartline that sailed out of bounds.
Great point. Could just as easily have been poor/wrong route running on Sims part. Either way he should have caught it.
Simply put: It was the best performance of Tannehill's career and one of, if not the best performance of any QB this year.
Last year I would agree 100% with you but this year Pouncey has Albert and James manning the edges so its no longer him against the DL. With three solid pieces to the puzzle and a better OL coach, I'm a lot more confident that we can use schemes to hide deficiencies.
Here's how it compared to other QB performances so far this year: http://www.pro-football-reference.c...4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_adj_yds_per_att
When you look at attempts only, there was little if any correlation in 2013 between Tannehill's number of attempts in a game and his QB rating or YPA. He didn't play any better as a function of throwing the ball fewer times in a game, or any worse as a function of throwing it more.
incase your actually serious.... Ryan has had better peformances against defenses twice as challenging, and it wasnt even close to the best QB performance from the 1:00 time slot this week, let alone the whole month.
Tannehill had an excellent game yesterday. No one will debate that, but he was playing against what is probably the worst team in the NFL, who looked like they would rather be back home on the West Coast, instead of in London, England. I am certainly willing to see how Tannehill plays over the next 12 games before forming my own opinion as to whether or not I think he should be the long term starter for the Dolphins or not. Hopefully he and the rest of the offensive players are adjusting to the new offense and thier play the rest of the season will be more like it was yesterday and not during the first three games this year. I would love nothing more than to see Tannehill develop in a quality NFL starter. This would allow the Dolphins to use their early round draft picks to shore up other areas of the team, instead of having to draft another QB in the first round of the 2015 draft. If he can play the rest of this season at the level he played yesterday, he obviously will have proved he's the right man for the job. Of course the Raiders are not on the schedule the remainder of this season. So Tannehill now has to play at that level against defensive players who actually deserve to be on an NFL roster.
Come on now J Dub...give the Raiders a little credit anyway...they came into that game #12 in the league in points allowed, and top half of the league in yards allowed...they weren't quite the dumpster fire we made them look like.
I give the offense and Tannehill all the credit in the world for the game they played yesterday. I just realize that the Raiders played the Patriots the week before and headed to London directly after that game. The Raiders, who really are a bad team, just never appeared to to show up on the defensive side of the ball. Hopefully it was because the Dolphins offense and Tannehill have finally adjusted to Lazor's offense and it wasn't totally the Raiders playing poorly yesterday. I said after the first three games that I wanted to see how Tannehill played over the entire 16 games this year before forming my own opinion on his future with the Dolphins. He has now played one very average game against the Patriots and two below average games against the Bills and Chiefs. Yesterday he certainly played an outstanding game, but like it or not, it was against a bad Raiders team, no matter what what their defensive stats might have shown before the game. Tannehill has the rest of this season to show if he deserves to be the future for the Dolphins or not. I hope he proves he can be the long term answer. One very good game against the worst team in the NFL is a start, but he will be going against far better defenses the remainder of the season and that is where he needs to show that yesterday's game wasn't just a fluke. I'm pulling for Tannehill because I think he can be a quality starter in the NFL. He just needs to prove it week after week, over the next 12 weeks.
In terms of accuracy, his pocket presence and command of the offense, it was his best. He was on fire. And yes, I know it was the Raiders. I don't think it mattered.
Greg Cote is such a putz..we were demoralizing the Raiders..both teams pretty much went into cruise control much of the second half...the Phins could have put up 60 if they wanted to...but whats the point
This was the main difference in my view. It looked like he had command of the offense for a change, rather than being commanded by what was going on around him.
I agree with HardKore here. Numbers wise, it wasn't his best performance, but he was putting on a clinic yesterday. It was staggering how great he was. He was doing everything well, including using his legs.
The strength of the Raiders team was their pass defense, where they did come in playing like a quality NFL team. Their offense as a whole is a league-worst horrendous, and maybe that's why we won a blowout. However, "playing the Raiders" is not an excuse to dismiss Ryan Tannehill's performance as "apples against oranges".
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