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Barry Jackson sports buzz: New coaching names emerge if Ross can't land Harbaugh

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Oct 6, 2014.

  1. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...s-secondary-dolphins-wade-lebron-marlins.html

    Dan Quinn should be a familiar name, coached Miami's DL under Saban. Koetter I could do without.
     
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  2. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    not another no name please, its time to make a splash and i don't care if dan quinn is the DC of the seahwaks, every NFL position coach could make this D look good and Dirk Koetter i will just refuse because of his name, say hello to the new HC of the Miami Dolphins.....DIRK KOETTER.....how ****ty does this sound
     
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  3. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    "Wel-come Baaack"
     
  4. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What about Darrell Bevell?
     
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  5. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    The Dolphins going after big names and "making splashes" has historically not worked out well. I don't have anything against a big name, but there really are only a couple of them that should be considered. They should really just focus on hiring the best coach.
     
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  6. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There is a lot of interesting stuff in that article and you post the bs speculation part?

    How about:

    Pouncey took reps at guard and when asked said he perfers the position?
    or that Thigpen confirmed that the Pat's coaches do prod for intel, not that it should come as a surprise.


    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...lphins-wade-lebron-marlins.html#storylink=cpy
     
  7. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    I'm actually doing research right now on quarterbacks, coaches, and passer efficiency numbers and how they fit together. Dirk Koetter is one of the names I'm looking at and my initial reaction is that I'm kicking a hole in my television set if that's the best we can do. He is a total non-impact offensive coach.

    If we're going to grab a coordinator, I'd be far more interested in Hue Jackson. As long as Steve Ross doesn't die and leave Jackson to hijack the team mid-season, he's very intriguing. The only 2 seasons the Raiders have had in the past decade that weren't complete and utter garbage, Hue Jackson was the offensive coordinator and then the head coach. Those were the only two times they finished better than 23rd in scoring (6th and 16th) and he got 7.3 YPA out of Jason Campbell and then 8.4 YPA out of Carson Palmer. Definitely would excite me more than Koetter.
     
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  8. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    AMERICA!
    Ooo! Ooo! Ooo! Mr. KOETTER!


    [video=youtube;-cDAqrywsHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDAqrywsHE[/video]
     
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  9. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I may turn my fandom in if we were to hire Dirk Koetter...that's over-exaggerating, but I'd be so disappointed.

    I want Harbaugh. He's the best winner that will/should be available. If we can't land him, that's a major disappointment. I'm OK with Dan Quinn as a fall back. I've always like him. However, I worry about this ability to run a team and not a section or specific department.
     
  10. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    The Falcons offense is faltering this year. With Ryan and his weapons, there's no excusing it. No to Koetter. But I wouldn't mind having Dan Quinn back here. Did a solid job here under Saban and continues to prove he's an excellent defensive coach.
     
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  11. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    They're averaging over 30 points a game. I think that's part of why Koetter even gets brought up.
     
  12. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    I hate to sound simplistic, but I think that's due to Ryan and his weapons. If anything, I'd say Koetter holds them back.
     
  13. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    Harbaugh was a no name before he got his big break. Someone had to give him a chance, right?
    Todd Bowles is the next no name and we never really considered him to be HC and let him walk.Same with Jason Garrett.
    How many people thought Carroll would win a SB after his 2nd stint in the NFL?

    JJ was the biggest name out there when we hired him. What did he give us besides great draft picks?
    62-7 and quitting come to mind.

    There is no science to hiring the right HC whether it be a big name or not.
     
  14. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    Actually I'm pretty sure we should just figure out how to lure Dick Vermeil out of retirement at this point.
     
  15. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    In that case, isn't Dirk Koetter already our HC?
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I thought Carroll would be a good coach, however I never predict a superbowl for anyone. It is hard to do.
     
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  17. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    Seems like we have messed up every Head Coaching hire we've tried for the last 20 years doesn't it? No matter if they were the biggest name out there, the best coordinator available, the best college coach etc, etc. Please Santa Clause give us a coach or make Philbin suddenly better, Please!
     
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  18. jw3102

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    I have zero interest in either of these individuals if Ross can't sign Harbaugh. While I don't think Malzahn would want the Dolphins job, he would be someone Ross should be interested in if Ross can't entice Harbaugh to take the job.

    Unfortunately I just don't have any faith in Ross being able to hire one of the top prospects if Philbin is fired. So my expectation right now is that the next HC will be someone who has no other head coaching opportunities in the NFL, but he will agree to work well with Hickey and Aponte. That appears all Ross really cares about when it comes to hiring individuals for the Dolphin organization.

    As long as the HC, GM, and Aponte all can get together and have some fun, Ross seems to think that's all which is needed to have a winning organization.

    The reason I think the Dolphins have no chance of getting Harbaugh is because after his experience with the front office of the 49er's, Harbaugh would want to hire his own GM and I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to get rid of Aponte as a condition for taking the job.

    I don't think Ross is willing to give Harbaugh this much power and he would rather settle for another no name head coach who will accept the present power structure in the organization.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    LOL point taken but we're averaging 24 a game (for the time being).
     
  20. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The year Harbaugh was hired he was actually considered one of, if not the hottest head coaching name available. He was hardly a "no name". His pedigree as an NFL quarterback and son of Jack Harbaugh was well known, he'd already been a part-time coach with his father's Western Kentucky teams for like a decade during the offseasons while he was still an NFL quarterback, his desire to be in the NFL was not questioned since he had spent so much time there, there are still stories circulating about incredibly well he predicted some incredibly difficult to evaluate quarterback classes, he went to San Diego U and made them a winner then went to Stanford U (at a time when they were the joke of the Pac-12) and made them into a team that competed for championships.

    I mean truly he was a headliner among that head coach class. Even John Fox, who had won at the NFL level and had a 5-3 playoff record with Carolina, wasn't as hot an item that offseason.
     
  21. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    He might have been a hot name, but still a no name in being NFL HC worthy at the time. No one predicted what he would do at the time.
    JH did well at Stanford and panned out no doubt, but there are guys like Shiano and Spurrier that did the same thing too.
    One who took a lesser team out of obscurity and the other with greater credentials than JH ever had. They didn't do much in the NFL
    My point being, there's no science to knowing what your going to get. Whether it be a big name or no name. It needs to be the right person to HC this team.
     
  22. MikeHoncho

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    This. So much this.

    The article is great where there are actual thoughts supported by facts and corroborated with direct quotes from players/staff. Then Barry reverted back to hack-job conjecture.
     
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  23. CaribPhin

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    You could play the semantics game and try to be right. Or, you could concede. LeBron was a hot name in NBA Draft circles in 2003. He hadn't played a game yet but he was a big name in the NBA. The guy had a $90 million endorsement out of high school without playing a game in the NBA.
     
  24. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Harbaugh was a rock star in 2011.

    He had the NFL QB resume. He had the bloodlines. He had the college resume, turning programs into winners and rugged national powers. His sophomore QB was the sure-fire #1 pick, the best QB prospect in years. His name was all over the media. And his brother was currently excelling as a HC in Baltimore.

    Our power people -- led by Ross -- were slobbering all over him pregame at the Orange Bowl. A game in which his team slaughtered a Frank Beamer club on an 11-game winning streak. And then Ross desperately flew across the country to offer him the keys to the kingdom -- while he still had a head coach under contract.

    Harbaugh was going to be a rookie HC in the NFL, but he certainly wasn't a nobody. And he's done nothing to temper talk or expectations since!
     
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  25. Unlucky 13

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    I've previously started my opposition to Harbaugh, and I don't think that team needs to "make a splash" in any way. However, I do absolutely want to hire someone who's been a HC in the NFL before, and John Fox is a perfect example of the type of guy I'd look for. Been a HC for a while, had success, but team fell off mostly due to the poor front office. Smart, no-nonsense, but also good with the players and with the media. Plug him into a situation where the talent isn't being used the right way or maximized, which I think is the case in Miami, and he can take them to the next level. With Denver, the next level was a prolific offense and the Super Bowl. With Miami, that would be a 10 or 11 win season and the playoffs.
     
  26. Ludacris

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    Could possibly be a conflict of interest there with Quinn and Koetter being clients of Tannenbaum but as long as they do their due diligence they better get the right guy if it comes to this.
     
  27. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Disagree on Fox...he GAVE that Super Bowl to the Patriots back in the day...horrible game management.

    Maybe he learned from it though.

    But that ilk of a coach in general...sure.
     
  28. MAFishFan

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    All I know is if I'm Ross, I get on a plane tonight with Hickey and fly out to California to try and get Harbaugh.....wait a minute........
     
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  29. slickj101

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    If that was true then the 49ers wouldn't be waiting to dump him.

    Apparently there's at least a few people out there who don't care for his childish behavior or undisciplined roster.
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It is pronounced "cutter". what is wrong with that?
     
  31. Alex44

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    I found this funny

    So either we really dont have any hand signals or Thigpen is a really cool guy :lol:
     
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  32. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm disappointed in Barry because he is generally better than that. His rationale for the speculation on potential coaches doesn't even make sense. It's literally a game of six degrees of bacon. Ross consulted with Tannebaum, Tannebaum's company represents these guys ergo they would be candidates for the Miami HC position. And if we followed Barry's logic here and hired one of those two prospects wouldn't we be right back to where we were last year trying to force an inexperienced HC on a GM?
     
  33. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Why no mention of Adam Gase?
     
  34. heylookatme

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    You'd think that after our experience with Joe Philbin, this team wouldn't be stupid enough to hire Peyton Manning's personal secretary.
     
  35. LBsFinest

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    Hey at least Gase is the playcaller. You could've criticized Mike McCoy the same way, and he's turned out to be an excellent coach.

    Philbin was just an insanely stupid hire to begin with.
     
  36. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I'm not sure how any of that relates to the text bolded.

    He's still one of the most talked about coaches in the NFL. And his teams are expected to compete for the Super Bowl.
     
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  37. Fin D

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    What does calling plays have to do with being a HC?

    Insanely stupid?!?!?!?!?!?! Hyperbole much?
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    If this thread is about discussing coaching candidates that aren't named Harbaugh, then I think Northwestern head coach Pat Fitzgerald deserves mention.

    He's long been respected and even coveted by NFL teams, but he's resisted moving up and has stayed the coach of Northwestern.

    Guy was a 2x Bronco Nagurski and 2x Chuck Bednarik trophy winning linebacker at Northwestern, also a 2x Big Ten DPOY winner. He's in the College Football Hall of Fame. Yet he wasn't even drafted. The Dallas Cowboys gave him a chance in 1997 but after a year he decided coaching was his thing.

    Northwestern has been to only 10 bowl games in the last 50 years, and 5 of them were coached by Fitzgerald during his 8 years (this is his 9th year and at 3-2 it looks likely they'll go to another bowl game).
     
  39. slickj101

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    Well if he's gone from a coach that was in high demand from all teams to one who's current team can't wait to get rid of, then I'd say expectations have certainly gone down some, at least from one team.

    He's also one of the most talked about coaches bc he and his team have been the center of plenty of drama.
     
  40. cuchulainn

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    You'd prefer Dirk Diggler? :shifty:
     

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