Cole: Philbin on fringe of losing locker room, not viewed as a leader

Don't be posting anything positive. This is the woe is us, the sky is falling, oh no we suck again, thread.

 

The problem isn't really that Miami lost, or that they are 2-3. Three losses at this point in the season isn't a big deal. What is very discouraging is that the Miami Dolphins just aren't very good passing the ball, and that is the most predictive thing we can look at.

 

And our coaches consistently making bad decisions.

 

We are inconsistent passing the ball. That's to be expected the first 6-8 weeks of a new offense. Let it play out.

 

Most of the lost, confused and clueless you mean?

 

Is that to be expected? How many teams have new OC's this year, and how do they compare to Miami? Is it fair to expect a passing game that is more efficient than the Raiders'?

I mean I'm fine letting things play out, but lets be honest here. The Dolphins passing game has been bad. Could it improve? Sure. But at this point its been bad.

 

You dont tank your season to advance your draft position. If somebody you want is going to go before your turn you trade whatever you need to so you can move up.

 

Is it really necessary for a head coach to be seen as a leader by his players?

 

I would say, most definitely. They don't need to love him, or hate him, but respect him as a leader. The problem is, it's kind of a quandary...a certain level of respect is earned through success...if you have an HC that repeatedly makes decisions that cause the players to say "WTF" and it DOESN'T result in success...ouch. If it works, whole other ballgame.

 

Yeah...but I really wish we had Andrew Luck.

 

I think it was Brian Billick who was saying it takes 6-8 weeks to install a new offense to the point where most players are comfortable. It doesn't seem like a stretch especially considering Tannehill playing in the same offense in both his college and pro career.

The passing game has been good and bad... Inconsistent.

 

what abou the NY Giants ?

 

Based on what? He's an average receiver at best.

 

The Giants are +26 in passer rating over 2013. They are much improved.

 

Let's just stop with Andrew Luck. The Dolphins weren't getting Andrew Luck. Of course we all would have wanted him, but it wasn't happening. You need to get over that. And why is it the last 2 QBs drafted have seemed to be handcuffed by their staffs. Why can't Philbin just "unleash" Tannehill and let him make mistakes. Let him run more, let him attempt to be a gun slinger. Same thing happened with Henne. If you want to see what any of these QBs are like, take the training wheels off and let them lead the offense.

 

I appreciate open mindedness and skeptical viewpoints against popular views, but Joe's interview today along with his coaches sealed it for me. Mid season changes are not generally good. But Joe should have exited with Irish. Any doubt of that is now becoming more evident. Joe is not a head coach. He is very good as an organizer. Not a game decision guy. He had an interesting role in Green Bay. I think we were so ready to get rid of the Tony and Jeff show that we probably overlooked how he was used in Green Bay. He was kind of sheltered in his role, and not given decision making power on game day. Smart yes, but not a guy for managing games. His interview today verified my concerns.

 

The Giants who just lost 27-0 to an Eagles team that isn't any good on D, those Giants?

 

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at the people who still think this team can make the playoffs. Doesn't it happen every year? Even the year we went 1-15?
The fact is, this offense is led by an inconsistent, mediocre QB throwing the ball to inconsistent WRs and undertalented TEs; and the whole team is led by a semi-competent, uninspiring schlub who should never have been anything but a coordinator. We are not going anywhere with this bunch.

 

Philbin doesn't get credit when, in the NE game, the team is down, they go into halftime when the coach addresses the team, etc and they comes out on fire and spank the Pats, When did the team start playing better this past game?....after halftime. That seems like good motivation. His players, for whatever reason, responded more than once. I think this Phlibin is not a motivator stuff is so overblown. The motivator thing, at this level, is way overblown, imo. Talent is also about consistency. The O has none. Tanne has none. We just get so pissed and look for anyone to blame. I am not completely defending Philbin. I certainly have my share of criticisms, but I think a lot of this comes down to talent, which. as I previously mentioned, also involves consistency. Look at freakin' Rodgers. I know he's one of the greats and it could be unfair to be compared to him, but the guy just makes plays from beginning to end. He's not an up and down, flash in the pan type player. Even mores so these days, you just need that type of player to great.

 

Yep, nevermind that Houston baltimore kansas and san diego are all better teams than ours and theyre likely not winning their division but they will be fighting over two wild card slots. After a chicago loss its over

 

If somebody told me Rodgers would play a near flawless game, the Packers would dominate time of possession and Tannehill would throw 2 INTs I would have said no chance we win. Just Rodgers playing great and the TOP part of it would lose the vast majority of the time but throw in average QB play on top? Its really incredible we even had such a great chance to win.

The Packers, especially Rodgers, played at a Super Bowl winning level and we kept pace. Hopefully that will end up being our toughest game of the year going forward and we make a run. There are good signs despite the gut wrenching loss to Aaron Rodgers, and the offense being markedly improved ranking 15th in yards per game despite poor QB play being chief among them. If Tannehill has the ability to take his game to the next level in him, and it happens sooner than later, we could get that yards per game stat into the top 10, and we haven't been in that territory since the Dan Marino era.

Just beat the Bears and give us a shot at 3-1 for the second quarter, go 3-1 every quarter and that still gets us to 11.

 

No.

But it helps.

Sort of like asking is it really necessary for a quarterback to have a strong arm, or to be fleet of foot. Not necessary, but it helps.

 

Aaron Rodgers did not play anything close to a flawless game. He had a few flawless drives. But overall he had Cameron Wake in his head nearly the entire game and it showed on a snap for snap basis. There were many snaps where he was feeling pressure that wasn't there, seeing ghosts. There were many snaps where he sat back in the pocket forever and couldn't find a receiver even though he had some options. The Dolphins pass rush had him rattled and that's why they held him to only 10 points in the first half, and 20 points prior to that final drive which should have ended pitifully on 4th & 10 if not for a stupid timeout called by the coaches due to a dumb policy.

 

TOP 3 PICK...HMMMM...Déjà vu

 

Direct quote from Philbin on why they ran on 3rd down:

Dude is straight up coaching scared! Terrified of past mistakes from a year ago! I DONT WANT TO HAVE THIS AS A HEAD COACH! This is the NFL! You can't do anything in life this way, let alone coaching NFL football. **** this! He lost me as a fan. Period.

 

philbin has given the dolphins a losers mentality. sad... we have elite talent and a coach that will cost us 3 games this season.

 

3 TDs, 0 INTs and I don't recall a single throw that was uncatchable or a single bad decision. The fumble was his biggest mistake all day. Rodgers is a great player and was playing great. Wake is a great player too and was playing great. If Rodgers was seeing ghosts how could he also be standing there all day? Where were the mistakes?

I know we've been spoiled with great QB play so the bar is set a little high for us right now, but to me, when every single throw is on target, that's not too shabby. Come on, surely you can at least give Rodgers a "not too shabby." Don't be a spoiled sport now.

 

No one said Rodgers played a flawless game. He made big plays and stepped up when most needed, which is what the great ones usually do. He extended plays, etc. Well, he did a lot of good things. You don't need to look at stats. You just need to watch the game. No denial.

 

what i got out of that post is if there ever was a time to end a game with rogers on the field, that was the play to do it, he is great and played great but there were times he was seeing ghosts {mentioned in the game thread} and coming off a sack and fumble the previous play, it was the right call to play thru..

on top of that the fans were at their apex..you simply have to ride with that type of momentum and energy..

 

Not to mention he had a few very in accurate passes as well.

 

Thats because Philbin has NO FEEL FOR A GAME. NONE. I mean...look at the guy...does he have a FEEL for anything?

 

They were there, whether you recall them or not.

 

OK..I'll rewatch and be sure to catalog all the inaccurate balls, I bet I won't be doing much writing.

Whatever you want to call it, just give me 19 performances like that a year and 18-1 would be a disappointment.

 

If you say so. They were a hair away from losing 24-20 to a team that really isn't all that good. So I think your "18-1" statement is a bit of an exaggeration.

 

No disagreement there, no way I call a TO in that spot. Still, it's impossibke to say what would have happened had the TO not been called.

Rodgers made a hell of a play, among several in the game. No QB on earth dodges pressure and throws lasers the way he can, just tip your cap and move on.

If the D brings it like that weekly there will be a lot of Ws coming soon.

 

Forget last year, Tannehill nearly got his head taken off twice on that same drive.

 

You've seen the light.

 

Stategically it is also stupid because he is giving an efficient offense a 2min drive which they get 4 downs instead of 3 to get a first down. Your solution to lasts years sack fumble vs the Bills is not to run in that situation but to use the entire off season to come up with a better passing play and practice over and over in converting 3rd and long. He's smug about preparing for situations like red zone, short yardage etc and he never talks about 3rd and long. It's too hard for him so he gives up.

 

He did miss quite a few throws and rushed them because he was feeling the pressure in the pocket all day. I think he's a good QB but I also think he gets the time he has in the pocket and to extend plays because of the amount of holding his OL is allowed. We should have had a few more sacks.