I know how he can retain "a" job, not necessarily Head Coach of the Miami Dolphins. That is to not poach personnel from the GB Packers so he remains in good standing there and can return to duty. Oh wait.....he already did that.
Reaching the playoffs isn't enough for me, that's how you end up in the treadmill that the Bengals have been in. Regardless, it's not possible that he reaches the playoffs, so we don't have to worry about him next season.
I think if he reaches the playoffs Ross keeps him. Me? I'd have fired him after that bully gate nonsense last year and let a new GM hire his guy.
I think he's getting fired regardless of the poll results, but for me, he'd have to make the Conference Championship Game. There'd be nothing fluky at that point.
Honestly, I have to divorce the result from the coaching job. Are we winning more BECAUSE of him or in SPITE of him? That's what would determine whether I fired him.
Voted fire him regardless of what happens. At first I wanted to vote for "reaches conference championship game," but the truth is that if we somehow win a playoff game, it will be because Ryan Tannehill and Cameron Wake are playing out of their minds, not because of Joe. The last two weeks have really opened my eyes about how and why Joe Philbin is a poor head coach. He seems to have absolutely no ability to intuitively grasp the importance of a big situation on the fly. When reporters are asking him who his starting quarterback will be in the next game, he does not understand -- even as the reporters are making it clear that this is a potential controversy -- that he is creating a potential distraction for his football team. Instead, he only considers that he has his own personal policy concerning what he will tell the press, and he'll be damned if he's going to break that just to nip a big, national controversy in the bud. Likewise, when he calls a timeout with time ticking down in the 4th quarter, he doesn't do it because he thinks it's the right call at that moment. He does it because it is his personal policy to 'Kodak' in that situation. I hate to be a jerk, but it sounds to me like he's just making crucial coaching decisions off of a flowchart he devised during his downtime when he wasn't looking at film or coming up with rules to follow to make sure he's as evasive as possible when talking to the press. If you're an investor and you follow what's going on in American business, this is historically about the single worst sort of person you can have in charge of your enterprise. Joe Philbin is the Bob Nardelli of professional football coaching. You know he's out of his depth, you know he's a problem, and yet you're stuck with him and going through the motions before you finally declare bankruptcy and he's put out of his misery. Factor in that we've basically had a player mutiny two years in a row (remember that before Bullygate, Richie Incognito, Mike Wallace, Pouncey, and others were blasting Sherman pretty much publicly?), that the coach himself admits that he spends too much time watching film and not enough time managing his players, the Mike Sherman and all his rowdy friends staff that did a piss poor job on the offensive side of the ball, and the beat goes on. Mike Wallace comes out and says, "Yeah, he's a pretty boring dude." I think that sums it up. Your player is being interviewed about you for a puff piece that will go up on the team's official website and the nicest thing he can say about you is "He's okay, but he's still a pretty boring dude." At this point, I don't care what the results are at the end of the season. Joe Philbin is a bad head coach and we should move on as soon as possible. To me, keeping him around if he wins ten games is like keeping Wanny around because he won 11 games and juuust missed the playoffs. To go back to the corporate comparison, it's as if you have a division in your company that is performing pretty well and making money, where some other divisions are performing poorly and losing money. You keep getting complaints about the head of the division, and they're the same as the complaints you've heard about him when he was with the company that fired him previously. Maybe, just maybe, it's the workforce and not the manager that's getting you good results, and maybe you need to realize that before things get really bad. Of course, this could be summed up in short as "He is 17-20 as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. Next."
As much as I so want him fired today, if we pulled off a miracle run and reached the AFC championship, you can't give the guy no credit.
I only just saw this but Bill Lazor called Joe Philbin out when asked about the "queasy" call. That's as close to calling a fellow coach gutless as you'll get from someone not related to Buddy Ryan. And it sure looked to me like he wasn't just talking about that particular call. Note that he talked about "taking a knee".
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first of all it depends on the availability and desire of certain coaches, if that availability and desire is not there, then make the playoffs and were good.
Not at all surprised. I saw this coming with Lazor's presser after the Buffalo game where he clearly (if you can read people) was NOT happy at ALL with Philbin for tucking his balls away before halftime in Buffalo. I expected that rift would worsen if something like that happened again. Honestly, my greatest hope is to see Philbin sacked and Lazor retained. I think Ryan Tannehill and this offense do far better with the restrictor plate (i.e. Philbin) removed from the engine.
I said before the season that Philbin needs to get this team into the playoffs to save his job. I believe it will take at least 9 wins and probably 10 wins to get into the playoffs as a wild card this year. So all Philbin has to do is coach this team to victories in at least 7 or probably 8 of their next 11 games. If he can do that and this teams makes the playoffs, I will have no problem with him remaining the HC of the Dolphins. Anything less than the playoffs and he won't deserve to remain the HC.
There's enough evidence to put together that Philbin is unfit as a head coach at this point regardless of a surprising stab at competency.
If he would call in a successful unmanned drone strike on Monsanto HQ, then he could be the Dolphins coach forever as far as I'm concerned.
I get what you mean: The cure for losing is going out and aggressively getting wins. Preventitive measures, to me, means playing not to lose. That is Philbin's core problem, as it was Wannstedt's. All people in all human endeavors who are in over their heads play not to lose. This has to be obvious to someone like Ross. We have to stop hiring NFL coordinators and college coaches with no NFL head coaching experience and hoping for the best. We need to hire people who have recently proven that they can do the job at the NFL level, not only successfully, but dominanty, and give them whatever they want to come here and stay here. That was the winning formula in 1969.
I voted if he reaches the playoffs. However, I think this team's ceiling is getting the last Wild Card and losing that game. I think the talent on this team is better than that though. I want Philbin gone, whether they reach that ceiling or not. This team continually plays under it's talent level. But, I don't see how Steven Ross would fire Joe Philbin if he brings the playoffs.
I think there's no question Ross would keep him if this team makes the playoffs. I doubt there's any danger of this, though.
I voted "Fire him regardless of result this year". He has proven over and over, that the first four options are a physical impossibility with him as head coach. Fire him regardless, because all other options are moot.
Serious question. Do you think Ross will be fed up enough with Philbin to actually fire him? I put this out here because Ross has shown loyalty to people, despite poor/mediocre job performance, (ala Jeff Ireland). Reports I hear of late, (more like rumors) are so conflicting. On the one hand, you hear that Ross was pissed over the comments Philbin made prior to the Oakland game in not naming Tannehill the starter, and on the other, you hear how much respect he has for Philbin. I have a sick feeling that even if we sputter out, or have another average season, Philbin will be around for another year. I pray I'm wrong about this.