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''cause culture wins football''

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Oct 15, 2014.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    chip kelly.

    ''cause culture will beat scheme every time''

    both quotes made me stop and think.

    he was saying this after they had beat the pats on the sideline to his assistant coach.

    i don't even know where to begin with this.
     
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  2. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Its the truth. The schemes are all fairly simple, and not very unique. You win with execution.
     
  3. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I read that as buying into the coach's concepts, fundamentals, and discipline.
     
  4. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Can anyone tell us what our culture is?
     
  5. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    It's tied to Philbin :(

    Just watch him close and you can see the direct correlation to how some of the games go in crunch situations.
     
  6. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    We are very good at making sure all of our shoelaces are tied and that there are no gum wrappers on the field...
     
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  7. byroan

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    Being queasy

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  8. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Playing scared.

    Too many obvious reasons from the run on 3rd and 9 to Finnigan not charging Adams to make the tackle sooner or not forcing Adams inside so that he could be tackled in bounds, he used the sideline as a crutch and it cost us the game.
     
  9. WhiteIbanez

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    :sad: It is a great question. No identity. :sad:
     
  10. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

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    The lack of balls is really pissing me off...he didn't give the offense a chance to close it out that third down run call was cottonball soft. He told the players to play loose and when it came down to it he showed no faith..gutless and I'm not one to place blame on coaches.
     
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  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think he meant something different..." Cause culture will beat scheme"??

    So your saying if you do the little things right it will always beat the fancy play calling?
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    our culture losing identity is in large part because of our venue...for two programs..

    Our identity, we need special type players to win in this town and in that stadium..
     
  13. cdz12250

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    This sounds life Fail Forward Fast. We need less philosophy and more common sense.
     
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  14. vt_dolfan

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    I think he was trying to express something non of you will find in a stat book.

    When you hear the song October Wind..thats what hes talking about. Its about every player and coach putting everything they have into their craft..and trusting that each is doing their part.

    Culture is a belief. Its a belief that on this day..I cannot be defeated.

    The Patriots have a culture.

    Miami had a culture when Shula was here.

    Ray Lewis brought that culture to the Ravens.

    Its about..take all your numbers..and all your stats..and shove them up your *** because the only stat that matters is the W and somehow..someway..every player and coach on this team will get that W at the end of the game. Its believed.
     
  15. Roll Tide

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    Tannehill mentioned in interviews yesterday that it seemed to him that there was more urgency and determination this past week. Pouncey mentioned the way the team plays in the second half and buying in, making it happen in the first half. That is the "cause". Once the team gives in to what the coaches want them to do, and do it well (QB) from start to finish they can be great.
     
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  16. DePhinistr8

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    Perhaps he was being a smart-*** about "The Patriot Way". You can have all the culture in the world, but if your schemes and execution aren't up to snuff than culture means jack-squat.
     
  17. VManis

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    You lost me with this one, did you mean Ray Lewis?
     
  18. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I disagree completely...without culture..your schemes and execution will be jack ****
     
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  19. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Omg..I cant believe I wrote Ray Rice..yes..Ray Lewis
     
  20. DePhinistr8

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    I think we'd have to hear him say it with our own ears to determine one way or the other.
     
  21. adamprez2003

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    Doesn't chip kelly actually have to win something before he can make statements about what it takes to win in the nfl? At this point we might as well take philbin's idea of what it takes to win...."To win in the nfl, it takes having a set of beady eyes, a cold fish personality, a preference to watching film than talking to human beings and playing like a scared chicken when crucial moments of the gm come up"
     
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  22. vt_dolfan

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    It doesnt matter. Its the foundation for any succesful enterprise. What happens all to often, is its just words. A head coach can say.."We have a culture of excellence" but what goes into excellence and how do you get each athlete to reach their peak potential? A great coach recognizes that question has many different answers..because each person motivates and is driven differently.

    You cant say..."We are an aggresive hungry football team"...then turn around and run on 3rd and 9 because you got quesy..remembering a game a year ago. The message you just gave your team as their leader..was Im scared..I dont know what to do.

    You cant say.."We are a team"..and then say Lindbackers should be able to cover TEs...and put your worst covering backer on a TE with 4 secs left in the game..and a Hall of Fame QB drooling at that decision.

    The next time the team faces adversity..they will have no faith the coach will make the right call. Instead of focusing on winning..they are focused on..damn I hope he doesnt do this...
     
  23. djphinfan

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    maybe he was seeing the results on the field from the implementation of the culture he instituted when he took the position...being the best physically conditioned team, changing the whole teams nutritional program, certain rules and regulation guidelines.discipline
     
  24. Stringer Bell

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    Chip Kelly is 15-7 in his NFL career.

    Joe Philbin is 17-20 in his NFL career.
     
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  25. Stringer Bell

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    I'm saying that there really isn't any 'fancy play calling'. What Chip Kelly is doing schematically is being done by other coaches. The difference is how well you execute. How focused the players are. How motivated the players are. How prepared they are. How efficient they are in their movements. How they make adjustments. How they make decisions. How they communicate. I'm not sure if these are the "little things", but those are the important things.

    People place way too much importance on schematics IMO. Football is like an orchestra - you need everyone working in concert.
     
  26. jw3102

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    I think it is obvious what the Dolphins culture has been under this ownership. It has been a culture of mediocrity and nothing has changed this season.
     
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  27. vt_dolfan

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    I dont think that can be said enough. An football offense is its own living breathing thing. The entire thing needs to work in unison consistently to be a very good offense. Such a great point Stringer!
     
  28. Stringer Bell

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    "Culture of mediocrity" is just an illogical statement. I'm not sure you understand what culture entails.

    A good characterization of the Dolphins culture would be one of lack of accountability, shifting of blame, and poor communication.
     
  29. roy_miami

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    People say things like this every time Philbin seemingly does something "stupid" and so far they have been wrong every time. Its inevitable that they will be right eventually, because when you aren't winning it wears on every member of the team. Where the fault lies on why we aren't winning is where we disagree, but at the end of the day all that matters is we're not winning.

    The "queasy" thing isn't that difficult to recover from, because in a way he's taking the blame for the loss. "That was my bad guys, I should have trusted you more."
     
  30. KeyFin

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    An in-house disco, celebrity owners and a head coach that doesn't trust his QB to make a clutch throw on 3rd and 9.
     
  31. LI phinfan

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    Where in Philbin's queasy comment did he ever take blame for the loss...who, besides yourself, took that as "that was my bad guys, I should have trusted you more"? Where and Who? Talk about trying to put a positive spin on an awful comment.
     
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  32. vt_dolfan

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    Heres an interesting question;

    Who's responsibility is it to create a winning culture?
     
  33. Stringer Bell

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    Everyone's.
     
  34. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    I think Chip got lucky in a lot of ways. I don't think in his wildest imagination would he have ever believed a big lumbering slow poke like Foles could thrive in his system. Vick was his starter and he went ahead and drafted his own guy. Vick was 2-4 and had he not gotten hurt a few times I think the narrative on Kelly would be much different right now. Foles is probably a lot better than he gets credit for and maybe the system is a great match for him.

    I hesitate to say this because I think I might have seen one Cards game under Ariens but he seems to be the real deal, and it doesn't even seem to matter what crap he has at QB.
     
  35. heylookatme

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    I liked the exchange they caught on camera when Riley Cooper (I think?) went to Chip Kelly on the sideline and asked him what his plan was for the next series. Chip Kelly replied, "What's my plan? Score ****ing points. That's my plan. Why, what's yours?" How would an interaction like that go with Philbin?
     
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  36. vt_dolfan

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    Well..it is luck..in a way..its not like he kept throwing resources at it for multiple seasons..they had Foles pan out year one right?
     
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  37. Stringer Bell

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    They held on to Vick at a pretty hefty price after drafting Foles. Also drafted Matt Barkley.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    i see a disconnect in your response to the subject I'm thinking he was trying to convey.

    of course all the things matter that you say in winning games, execution is the ultimate factor, but i correlate execution with good coaching, if he was talking about good coaching then just say good coaching, he said this phrase twice in a row.

    he started by saying to his assistant coach, " we have a bunch a good guys, culture wins football, culture beats scheme''

    I guess its pretty silly trying to interpret what he meant.
     
  39. PhinishLine

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    The Dolphins "culture" is a perpetual expansion team. We reboot every 4 years. There is no culture. We aren't the blue collar Steelers who will always have a strong defense....by hook or by crook. We aren't the lunch pale Packers who don't get cold....ever. We aren't the innovative hotbed that is the SF 49ers. Not the bad boys in the Oakland Raiders. From the fans, to the front office, to the team on the field....we don't have an identity. We don't have a fanbase like Cleveland or Pittsburgh who travels well and will support their team no matter what. Most fans self admittedly, "only support a winner." Pretty much the definition of fair-weather. We have an unknown coaching staff....a new owner....no success since Dan of which to speak of for longer than 3 minutes. There is NOTHING aside from 72 Dolphins....Don Shula.....Dan Marino to hold onto. If you wanted a culture created, you don't hire the most vanilla...most un-interesting man on the planet to generate it in the most empty unmotivated stadium....filled by the most conservative, ADD having, disinterested fans to create it. The entire franchise is TOXIC.

    And its not, "Just win baby" because there are franchises that lose but still have a good culture. The Cowboys and Redskins have strong cultures. Pittsburgh sucks...but it doesn't have a culture issue. Those teams start over....and reboot with the startup disk they've already used. Miami....we just throw some stuff together under media/fan/owner pressure and hope that the dice roll our way.
     
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  40. PhinFan1968

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    What does this do for culture?

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