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Kurt Warner is a *** he disses Marino

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rosco 35, Oct 23, 2014.

  1. Rosco 35

    Rosco 35 New Member

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    watching the nfl network and Kurt Warner was putting Brady ahead of Marino he took Dan out of the top 10 qbs' because he loves Brady . I am sick of the media and their snubbing of Marino why doesn't any former dolphins work for the networks ? I guess I am just tired of the dolphins not being relevant .


    in the NBA they refuse to address the Miami HEAT and they constantly put the LAKERS BULLS AND CELTICS as the can do no wrong clubs . do anyone else get tired of the media playing favorites ?
     
  2. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    F*** Kurt Warner...he's lucky he's not bagging groceries again...
     
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  3. Not So Fast

    Not So Fast Well-Known Member

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    Focking NE media bias.
     
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  4. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I would really like to know 10 QBs who are even in the conversation.

    I can only come up with 5. Favre, Peyton, Montana, Brady, Elway....who else can even possibly be in the conversation? Who are his other 5?
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    national media does not like miami markets, because their fan bases do not support how they think a fan base is supposed to support, sports teams pay the price.
     
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  6. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I'd put Rodgers in there too...I wonder if Kurt put himself there also? Fkn dolt.
     
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  7. Rosco 35

    Rosco 35 New Member

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    Kurt had Rodgers and Wilson in the discussion but my phone rang while they were talking about the other qb's damn Telemarketers they keep interrupting football games.
     
  8. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    I wonder how many championships Marino would have had won if he got to play under today's rules?
     
  9. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    I don't even know what to say about that. I am floored.
     
  10. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    Rodgers is on his way to being in the conversation, I wouldn't throw him in there quite yet.
     
  11. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    His 1984 season would've been 7k yards in today's game.
     
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  12. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Doesnt matter..ask Joe Montana..Steve Young...where Marino ranks they will tell you.
     
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  13. MikeHoncho

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    I dunno but I'd add about 100 TD to his career tally.
     
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  14. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    How could you not have Dan Marino in your top ten QBs of all time discussion?
     
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  15. Unlucky 13

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    Warner is awful. But then again, almost everyone on NFL Network is. I used to watch Total Access all the time and never do anymore.

    How any reasonable discussion of the top 10 Qbs would leave Marino out is laughable.
     
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  16. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    seriously, who gives a damn ? you have to win in sports to get credited by the media.....and no one has talked about the celtics in a long time btw.....
     
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  17. Phinfanjt

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    Are you serious? ESPN was all Lebron, all Miami Heat for 3 years. They had some stupid segment for an entire season called the Heat index... And I think the fact that the Lakers and Celtics having 33 titles between the 2 of them may have earned their kudos
     
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  18. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Complaining about the media is for morons.
     
  19. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Actually all they did was bash the Heat and talk about where Lebron was going next from the moment he signed with Miami. We "didn't deserve" LeBron according to the national sports media narrative. Miami is not New York, Boston, Philly, Dallas or LA so we're never going to get respect from them.
     
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  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Usually, you are spot on, but that is pure hyperbole.
     
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  21. CaribPhin

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    Rod Woodson, a defender who played opposite both guys was floored when Brady and I think Manning too was ranked ahead of Marino on the NFL Top 100 of All Time. Said having played against both, Marino was clearly better.
     
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  22. The Finest

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    Would marino be great against the speed of today's defenses?
     
  23. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    its the same with Michael and Kobe, how Kobe would have done in the Jordan Era, a period where there was like a handful legit defenders going up against Jordan, actually there was one, Joe Dumars and the rest where physically limited victims, anyways its a moot point, we will never find out
     
  24. DPlus47

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    With his release and pocket footwork, I don't see how this is even a question. I think he'd be better against today's defenses than he was in his own era because they're not allowed to tee off on a QB (or even tap him on the head) and the DB's aren't allowed to play much defense at all. Not getting hit so violently might have lengthened Dan's career, and not having people actually playing defense against his WR's definitely would have increased his numbers. Marino was exceptional at getting rid of the ball quickly, and he was also exceptional at sidestepping pressure when it was there.

    Does anybody here remember the dirty hit Greg Lloyd put on Marino back in the day? How many of those hits does a QB face these days? It's a different game. I'm not saying it's worse (complaints about pass defense aside, because it's definitely worse with all the ticky-tack flags), but these QB's are playing with a lesser degree of difficulty, even if the athletes and schemes are better.
     
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  25. heylookatme

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    Marino would be incredible in today's game. Woodson and other players who played with and against him all pretty much agree on that point. Imagine how good he would be with today's illegal contact rules, a 'strike zone' where players couldn't hit him, etc.

    Of course, I'm firmly of the belief that players like Fran Tarkenton and Johnny Unitas would blow players like Rivers and Brees out of the water in today's game, as well.
     
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  26. DPlus47

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    The vast majority of historical rankings, etc. are moot points, obviously, but it can still be a good time to think about.

    As for moot questions, one of my favorites is this:

    How would Michael Jordan have done going up against a hostile press and a 24-hour news cycle? I think his game would be just as dominant today, just as Kobe could have done a lot back then, but I wonder what would have happened to the global brand that Jordan became if he hadn't been so protected.
     
  27. DPlus47

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    I haven't seen much of Unitas, but Tarkenton was ridiculous, and he belongs in any top QB conversation. Wasn't the term "scrambling QB" invented for him?
     
  28. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i was only a kid when dan played in the mid 90s but i remember bruce smith planting marino many times in a fashion that would have been 15 yard roughing the passer in todays game.

    i just love how people talk about football being the ultimate team game and then hold it against one player(in this case marino) for not winning a championship. dan didnt win a superbowl because the teams he was on were mediocre teams, its quite astonishing he got the dolphins into the playoffs with some of the teams he had. any qb list that fails to mention marino is invalid.

    i think tom brady is a great qb but the guy won superbowls in the early part of his career because he had a dominant defense, a running game and good receivers. when the talent on the defense slipped and the running backs were no longer all that good, he has won jack ****.

    if shula would have delivered the players for marino, and the drafts werent god awful year after year, marino would have had rings.

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  29. VManis

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    Are you talking about the play where Danny grabbed Lloyd's jersey while he was still on top of him and start jawing him out?
     
  30. jw3102

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    I have no idea why anyone would be upset with how the media reports on the teams in South Florida.

    Other than the Heat, the rest of the teams in South Florida have basically been irrelevant for the past decade. If your team isn't located in one of the top media markets, your team isn't going to get much notice from the media unless their winning games.

    The Seahawks were hardly ever mentioned in the national media until they started winning and making the playoffs. Personally I don't think the national media has a bias against South Florida teams. They just recognize that the teams in South Florida, (other than the Heat, when James was with the Heat), don't generate a large viewing audience for their games and therefore they obviously don't feel that giving much time reporting on the teams makes much sense. If the local fans don't want to attend the games or watch them on TV, why should the national media spend much time reporting on these teams?

    The Dolphins have had local TV ratings in the bottom five of all NFL teams over the past three years.

    Once the team actually becomes relevant again by becoming a winning team, I have no doubt they will receive plenty of positive press from the national media. Until then, they will continue to be an after thought in the national media and that is the way it should be, based on the fact they can't even draw a large TV viewing audience in their own back yard.
     
  31. Boik14

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    Nah Rodgers has 1 stat that really bothers me....hes 4-26 in games where hes trailing in the 4th. Hes a top 5 QB in todays game but hes got some serious lifting to do for me to call him an all time great.
     
  32. argos31

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    1. Peyton 2. Dan 3. Rodgers, but he will be #1 soon
     
  33. Fame

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    They say these kinds of things just to get people riled up. If everyone had the same list of top 10 QBs, as if that actually means anything, that would make for boring TV.

    So basically, just ignore them. Their opinion means nothing.
     
  34. Bpk

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    Unitas. Graham. How are these greats not in the discussion? And how do rule changes and additional games in a season not come into play?

    Ive always felt stats per game played should be how you compare the top guys from different eras, not seasonlong stats.


    My two cents via iPhone.
     
  35. Vertical Limit

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    Um, Boston, LA, New York, Chicago and even Dallas have their own section on ESPN. Don't know how that's relevant. And guess what, Miami has been to more championship games than any of those cities ALL sports combined the past five years.
     
  36. Finatik

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    One thing I will say is that Miami travels well. Since I'm on the Left coast I go to away game (SD, OAK, SF, PHX) and there are ALWAYS a lot of Dolphin fins in attendance. That's why I was a little pissed that the Raiders game got moves to London since I would have been at that game. While we may have bad TV ratings, the fans show in in droves to games that I've attended.
     
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  37. jw3102

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    They don't get a mention simply because most people on this forum are too young to have seen them play or even know anything about their careers.

    I was born in Maryland and was a Colts fan until the Dolphins franchise came to South Florida. I watched Unitas during his most productive years and he was just as good as any of the top QB's of the last three decades. He just played in an era where the passing game wasn't used the way it is today and WR's actually weren't allowed to just run free all over the field, as they are today.

    If the rules had been the same during Unitas's career, he would have had a couple of hundred more passing TD's. I would easily put him in the top five NFL QB's of all time.

    As far as Graham goes, I'm not quite old enough to have seen him play. Yet I do know that he was the top QB of his era and based on the comments of those who saw him play, I would think that he too should be listed in the top ten QB's of all time.

    The game today is very different from the game it was before all the rule changes. So when lists are made to rate the top 10 players at any position in the NFL. Perhaps there should be a timeline separating the players who played when the game was real football, and not the slightly better than flag football, which is being played today.
     
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  38. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    All the cities you mentioned are considered BIG TV markets. So it only makes sense that the teams in those areas would get the majority of the air time. Miami is still considered a small market, compared to those cities and the only way the teams in Miami will get similar type air time is if they are winning.

    The Miami Heat received plenty of media coverage during the time Lebron was a member of the team.

    TV is all about ratings. ESPN and other sports networks attempt to reports on teams which bring them the largest viewing audience. Obviously that means they will report more on the teams which are from the bigger TV markets.

    The viewing audience for sporting events and sports networks is much lower in South Florida than in most other cities with professional sports teams. So sports networks really don't have any economic reason to spend a lot of time discussing teams from an area where they have a small viewing audience. Especially when these teams have been mediocre or worse over the past decade.
     
  39. DPlus47

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    I don't remember that part, but it sounds like Marino, all right. If it's the hit I remember, I'm sure I was too mad to even see the aftermath.
     
  40. DPlus47

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    Nice post. My bias is definitely out in front: my first live NFL game was Miami at Indy in 1984.

    I quoted what I did because I think it gets lost in the "great QB's" debate a lot: since the Patriots have been built around Brady and not their defense, they have not enjoyed the same success. Sure, there was a miracle catch SB 42, but if the Patriots had won that game they would have stolen one from a team that dominated them for most of the game. That was Brady's best shot to win one as the man with the team on his back and he didn't get it done. That shouldn't remove him from the "all time greats" discussion, but Marino was the man with the team on his back pretty much since his first start, and the fact that he didn't get it done should not remove him from that same discussion, especially considering he played without the rules that benefit today's QB's. Dude did things that nearly every QB who has played since would love to be able to do.
     
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