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Kurt Warner is a *** he disses Marino

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rosco 35, Oct 23, 2014.

  1. jw3102

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    I don't think Marino would have traded any of those players for the , "Mark Brothers". Clayton and Duper were the best set of receivers in the game during Marino's best years and they made circus catches look routine. I would take both of them in their prime over Wallace and Welker any day of the week.
     
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  2. jw3102

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    I don't think he would have won any championships under today's rules. As great as Marino was, he never had a complete team around him during his career. He never had the defense or the RB to help him get the team to the Super Bowl after 1984.

    With a quality defense and an effective running game, Marino could have led the Dolphins to a number of SB games. Unfortunately Shula was never able to put a complete team around Marino.

    I always felt Elway was every bit as good a passer as Marino, but he played in a different offensive system throughout his career. He didn't have the passing stats of Marino because the offensive system he played in didn't require him to throw the ball all the time.

    Elway wasn't able to lead his team to SB wins until the Broncos got a quality running back and a solid defense. Marino unfortunately never had the team around him to help him get a SB win. No matter what the rules are, you need more than a great QB to win a championship.
     
  3. jw3102

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    Since you didn't download anything to show Warner's top 10 QB list, I decided to check on the internet to see if I could find the actual list. What I found was Warner's list of the top 10 QB's in the NFL who are still active today. I couldn't find anywhere in which Warner listed his top 10 QB's of all time. Hopefully you can provide the list in which Warner excluded Marino from his list of all time great QB's.

    Perhaps you didn't realize that his list was only regarding QB's who are active in the NFL today. This list was as follows:

    1) Brady 2) Rogers 3) Brees 4) P Manning 5) Roethlisberger 6) E Manning 7) Ryan 8) Flacco 9) Rivers 10) Romo

    While Brady, and P Manning belong on the 10 greatest QB's of all time, only Rogers and Brees may eventually be considered from this list. The rest of the QB's on the list have had nice careers so far, but I don't see any of them belonging on the list of the 10 best QB's of all time.

    Unless you can provide another list by Warner where he actually named his best 10 QB's of all time, It makes perfect sense that Marino would not be on this list of still active QB's.
     
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  4. FanMarino

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    I have always seen, heard and read the plaudits regarding Warner and i see him as the poor boy that won the lottery. Lucky and totally overrated. Personally i think he is just p****d that the #13 he wore as an NFL player is synonymous with a certain Miami Dolphin QB that put up stats and wins that he could only dream about. To me he is nothing more than a lucky QB that got lucky that lived in Lucks Town, Luckyville. Kurt Warner? Get real.
     
  5. danmarino

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    Maybe over Wallace, but neither were as good as Welker. And I LOVE the Marks Brothers...
     
  6. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    True. If he had played on the same types of teams he most likely would not have. Only P. Manning and E. Manning have won Super Bowls with a defense ranked in the bottom half of the league. Even Brady needed the 1st, 2nd, and 5th ranked defenses to win it all.
     
  7. Muck

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    Welker is a great player, but he's a specialist of the modern game. Strictly a slot guy. More Nat Moore than Duper or Clayton. Guys who played on the outside. They were superior athletes. And Nat Moore was a damn good receiver with smarts and quickness as former college running back.

    Despite being similar size, Welker isn't jumping over anyone or making circus catches. And he's not scorching anyone over the top. Duper, Clayton and Moore all had significantly higher ypc and more TDs in fewer career games. Again, I'm a huge Welker fan. But he'd need to scale Nat Moore before he approaches the Marks Brothers IMHO.

    I think Nat Moore would also feast in Welker's role.

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  8. Section126

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    Take a peek at his W/L record, and his team's W/L record when he plays well. it's ridiculous.
     
  9. GARDENHEAD

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    Hahaha. Everybody ignored this post. No one even fistbumped the guy!
     
  10. danmarino

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    And when the Pats don't have Brady they go 11-5. Wins are not an individual record. This past Sunday's game should be enough to prove that. Brady, in his first playoff season, had 1 TD and 1 INT. His Super Bowl winning defenses were ranked 1, 2, and 5. I absolutely agree with Stringer...Brady is not top 5. I don't think he's top 10.
     
  11. Alex44

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    Well that is because he was an excellent passer who was excellent at consistently scoring points and getting the ball to his WR's.

    A QB is much different.....who am I kidding, I can't even defend this in a funny way.
     
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    Moreno. At least you could spell his name right if your going to cut him down.:no:
     
  13. keypusher

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    Probably as many as he won under the rules in effect during his career. Marino, Fouts et al. were the beneficiaries of the 1978 rules changes that did more to make the NFL a passing league than anything before or since. A better question would be how many yards would Bradshaw, Stabler, Griese, Staubach, etc. have gotten playing under Marino or Fouts' rules.
     
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    Marino is top 5. Warner is just another talking head these days. He's entitled to his opinion but in my opinion he's dead a$$ WRONG!
     
  15. GARDENHEAD

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    Before or since? Please explain.
     
  16. finyank13

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    I would agree but even that is skewed Sec, the guy has had roughly 5-6 gifted wins for over a decade now....
     
  17. JOHN_M

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    1. Marino
    2. Unitas
    3. P. Manning
    4. Montana
    5. Elway
    6. Luckman
    7. Bradshaw
    8. Stabler
    9. Griese
    10. Tarkenton


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  18. FinSane

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    1. Peyton Manning
    2. Elway
    3. Marino
    4. Unitas
    5. Montana
    6. Brett Favre
    7. Otto Graham
    8. Sid Luckman
    9. Sonny Jorgenson
    10. Ken Stabler
    11. Roger Stabach
    12. Tom Brady
    13. Fran Tarkenton
    14. Drew Brees
    15. Aaron Rodgers
    16. Terry Bradshaw
    17. Bart Starr
    18. Jim Kelley
    19. Troy Aikman
    20. Jim Plunkett
    21. Joe Namath
    22. Warren Moon
    23. Dan Fouts
    24. Bob Griese
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  19. keypusher

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    Sorry, I am way late on this.

    In 1977, NFL scoring reached a modern low. Some websites call it the football deadball era. The 1978 rules changes

    (I) allowed offensive linemen to hold their arms out while pass-blocking (basically, they legalized holding, in the opinion of old-timers)
    (II) outlawed bumping the receiver more than five yards past the line of scrimmage
    (III) reduced the penalty for offensive holding from 15 yards to ten.

    The effect of this on passing was pretty dramatic. I looked at average yards passing per team per game over time on Pro Football Reference. In 1977 teams averaged around 141 yards passing -- less than they averaged running. Joe Ferguson lead the league in passing yards, averaging just over 200 yards per game.

    Starting in 1978 average passing yardage per game went up every year, reaching 204.4 in 1981 -- an increase of about 30% over 1977 levels. Another way to look at it is that the average team passing yardage in 1981 was higher than the league's top-yardage quarterback in 1977.

    In 1980 Fouts really announced the new era with over 4500 yards passing; the following year he averaged 300 a game -- one hundred yards per game more than Ferguson in 1977. (The increase in gross yardage was even bigger, because the season also increased to 16 games in 1978.) And in 1984 Marino went over 5,000. Passing yardage per team per game stabilized in the low 200s, with the record of 220 being set in 1995. That record stood until 2010.

    That said, passing has gone up markedly in this decade. As in the late 70s-early 80s, new levels seem to be getting set every year, with the average topping 230 in 2012. So far this year the average is 244, nearly nine yards more than last year, though I suspect the average goes down over the course of the season.

    So, to sum up, between 1977 and 1981 average passing yardage per game went up about 30%. After that, things stabilized until this decade. Between 2010 and now, passing yardage has gone up markedly. But the game still hasn't changed nearly as much as it did in the years immediately following the 1978 rules changes.

    Also, "before or since" was probably hyperbole -- there were some rules changes in the 1930s that may have been a bigger deal, plus I think they made the ball easier to throw. But 1978 was pretty big.
     
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  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Without those rules changes on pass blocking, it boggles the mind to think how many sacks guys like Wake would have.
     
  21. Rosco 35

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    well if Keith Jackson was washed up why did Shula bring him to Miami ? you know something guys I am starting to think going 8--8 all those years is what kept Marino from getting back to a super bowl.

    if Marino would have had Ricky and Ronnie Brown would they be enough to get Marino there.

    you would think that having Irving Fryar , Clayton ,Duper and Keith Byars and OJ McDuffie Marino could get there

    If we couldn't keep those players then Shula should have changed his way of getting and keeping players. I mean we never seem to keep the better players and that is a reason for our failure to get Marino to the S.B.
     
  22. Fin4Ever

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    Where is Y.A.Tittle?
     
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  23. Fin4Ever

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    Daryl Lamonica was pretty good too..."the mad bomber"
     
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  24. Fin4Ever

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    I have to say that before we had the Miami Dolphins in our house we were Oakland Raider fans A.F.C. and Baltimore Colts fans in the N.F.C. We despised the New York Jets all the way back then!
     
  25. CashInFist

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    Elway better than Marino? I stopped reading right there...
     
  26. ASOT

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    AFC & NFC ? The Baltimore Colts were never in the NFC, but they were in the NFL and the Raiders were in the AFL. I am assuming this is what you mean.
     
  27. Fin4Ever

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    Yes, that is what I meant..Thank you for the correction.
     
  28. Puka-head

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    Its you isn't it! Its Ray Finkle. Get over it. You missed.
     
  29. Pandarilla

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    Dan Fouts is the most under rated on that list...400 yard games with the occasional 500 yarder sprinkled throughout the season. Anything less than 3 tds and you were like wtf?
     
  30. FinSane

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    Great QB, hard to leave him off my list.
     
  31. FinSane

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    Difference of opinion. To me they're about even though they were different QBs. I gave Elway slight advantage because he could run. Those two rings he got didn't hurt either. Sorry.
     
  32. FanMarino

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    And so could Terrell Davis. :shifty: I will throw i that 42-10 loss against the Redskins in the Superbowl. 55-10- against the 49ers....39-20 against the Giants. Sort of helps having a Defense yes? Marino never had one. At least not a Defense that cound get him to the big one more than once. Broncos obviously had a decent one to get to 3 losing Superbowls where their Franchise QB failed 3 times and it was not even close. I remember the AFC Championship games against the Browns...yes the Browns. Bernie Kosar came pretty close to being the QB God which is John Elway. Ive watched the documentary on his sell out regarding THAT Draft. He went automatically down in my estimations as a sportsman let alone his achievements.
     
  33. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Wow, a lot of hate for Elway. Hey I wish Marino could've won a ring too too, bit just because Elway had a better team doesn't knock his accomplishments and talent.
     
  34. CashInFist

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    I think Elway would tell you that Marino was a better QB than he was. Seriously...
     
  35. FinSane

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    Marino was the better passer. Elway was more athletic and versatile. But honestly IMO they're almost equal in greatness.
     
  36. CashInFist

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    Elway didn't do anything until he had an elite running game and defense. Marino took his team to the Super Bowl without either one. Even Bill Parcells will tell you today that Dan Marino is the only QB to ever lead his team to the SB with no running game and no defense whatsoever.
     
  37. Puka-head

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    If Marino had been drafted by the Steelers instead of the Dolphins he would have won multiple Super Bowls. Multiple. If he would have had Pitt's d to keep the opponent to less than twenty a game, which the steelers have done for like 30 yrs. OMG. I think our d was like 30 pts a game. Every game had to be a shootout. When that many rounds are flying around any body can get hit.

    Imagine Marino with Ricky. Or Ricky and Ronnie. Makes sitting down a little uncomfortable doesn't it.
     
  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Elway went to multiple Super Bowls but could not win, before he got the elite defense and ground game, like he had the last two times.
     
  39. FinSane

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    Exactly. Both QBs were psychically talented QBs who had crap around them until Elway lucked out.
     

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