The one area the Phin's offense hasn't opened up into is the deep threat. We all know that. And while it might not be "necessary" to develop it much, the thought of T17 being able to add that last weapon into his arsenal is a tantalising prospect. Can Tannehill do it? How could he do it? What does he need to get there? Essentially, is it a pipe dream or is this within his grasp?
My question with the deep pass is why does it always seem to be a route to Wallace where there's very little wiggle room to work with. Either right against the sideline, or into the back corner of the end zone? Why not let him run across the field and try to gain seperation from his man? Perhaps those route are just too well covered to try? I still don't see why we don't do more slants to him though, like the Steelers did. Let him catch it and run in stride.
I hear what you're saying. What we don't have is someone who can occupy the middle and take the safety away from wallace's side.
RT has put several deep balls right on the money this year...several have been dropped, receiver could've stayed in bounds but didn't, receiver didn't put forth any effort to make the catch (Hartline), a few PI calls (which were smart plays by the defenders...the catches could've easily been TDs), which skew the impression of his ability to hit 'em. He's missed his share of throws as well, but it certainly doesn't help when he gets it right and doesn't get to enjoy the fruits of it. The offense's confidence is building at a steady rate though...I believe we'll see some success there by the end of the season. I'm with y'all though...I'd like to see more slants to Wallace.
If he can get out of the pocket more on some scrambles, that's when it's gonna happen..make up their own timing instead of it being forced..remember Berger to Wallace.
I also remember the 50+ yards in the air he put on Wallace's hands in the end zone in game 1...while on the move.
I'm no football guru, but it seems to me that Wallace is just not that good at routes and/or adjusting to the ball. Tannehill has hit his receivers like Hartline and even Clay deep and in-stride....but not wallace. Tanny has also hit ALL his receivers in-stride on his short and intermediate throws, but again.......not Wallace. He just doesn't catch it cleanly no matter where he is on the field. I could be way off base here but, I think this is a Wallace problem and not a problem with Tannehill.
Let him gain confidence and the deep ball will come, there's been so much **** about it that I'm sure RT is second guessing himself when he throws it, specially to Wallace.
I agree I think we should trade wallace and his salary and get a high draft / position of need filled. Wallace just inst going to good in our offense.
Depends what we're counting as a deep ball. PFF does it over 20+ yards beyond the LOS. For his career he's 52 of 141 accuracy-wise (37%). That includes catches and drops. In 2014 that percentage would be right around the middle of the league among quarterbacks. But I think it's notable that his accuracy for his career is 11 of 49 with Mike Wallace (22%) and 41 of 92 (45%) with everyone else that he's played with. Over the long term, that latter percentage would actually rank him pretty high. So once again I state that the deep ball "problem" is a Tannehill-Wallace problem, not just a Tannehill problem. And no, it's not just completely up to the quarterback to place the ball perfectly on the long ball. The receiver's got to meet him halfway.
RoFL.. Come on dude..do you drink a few screwdrivers after brushing your teeth in the AM. Serious..you cant be sober when you post **** like that.
Not sure if serious. Wallace is on pace for 70 catches, 936 yards, and 10 tds. He's also averaging almost 14 yards a catch. I do agree that he may not be living up to his crazy high contract, but, he's also playing pretty well in our offense right now.
Steve Palazzolo @PFF_Steve 8m8 minutes ago Not all drops are created equally, but the Dolphins' early-season drops really hurt. Dropped TDs, 3rd downs, etc. Made a big difference
He's also become a big leader in the locker room. Their are things Wallace does that can't show up in the stat page.
I think he needs to see the receiver get open, which is a problem in itself, but the bigger problem is when he throws it the ball goes where he's looking, which is at the receiver. So the ball goes where the receiver is rather than where he's heading. Trying to a moving target is not natural, in most other sports whether it be shooting a puck, punching somebody in the face, throwing a baseball, shooting a basketball, etc, etc you are always wanting to hit a stationary target, which is a natural thing for us. Look at golf, here's the reason we have so many bad golfers: when somebody says "keep your head down" what this means is you are trying to look at what you're trying to hit, the green, instead of what you should be looking at which is where the ball is before hitting it, and where the ball was after hitting it. When Lazor says we're trying to get him throwing to spots I don't think that's something unique to our offense, I think its a flaw he's trying to fix and akin to a golf coach saying "keep your head down!"
Of course, throwing to a spot is dependent upon the receiver getting to that spot when he's supposed to. Now, let's theorize for a bit...what if the receivers aren't running good, consistent routes, and thus aren't getting to the spots when they are supposed to. Do you think that perhaps the QB is going to struggle to continue throwing to the spots? He just may. Now, this isn't to say that Tannehill hasn't had to work on timing/accuracy/etc, but if the reports of receivers running wrong/lazy routes were true, it would explain alot about how out of sync everything looked. Everyone wanted to blame Tannehill...yet more than likely it was the TEAM that was playing poorly. And again, what CK has posted over and over again, yet is completely overlooked all the time: Tannehill deep to receivers NOT named Wallace is actually really good.
Keep in mind Steve Palazzolo is in full "defend the brand" mode. PFF took a LOT of criticism (rightly so) for grading Tannehill as like the 3rd best quarterback in football despite having games where he had clearly been struggling. So now that Tannehill is performing better, this guy is going to try and say that it isn't Tannehill that is actually performing better but rather it's just random circumstances...hence they were correct all along.
I totally agree with you on this, we need Wallace to use his speed and run some long routes, like a post corner or a corner from the slot to the far corner. This would give Ryan a bigger area to target. With more space for both of them to succeed.
It makes sense that it would be easier to track Wallace's speed laterally rather than vertically. It would be incredible if something so simple could see the success increase and connection develop.
In today's era of zone coverage I wouldn't call it simple to switch a Mike Wallace from challenging defenders vertically to challenging them horizontally. Challenging a guy vertically you're really challenging him in a very physical way. If you're going horizontal through the zones you're not challenging a defense physically so much as you are mentally. But deep crosses are usually a good idea to throw in there, and Miami is doing more of that this year I think.
There's almost certainly a restructuring of the position at wide receiver coming this off-season, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the ability to challenge deep as a significant consideration of new talent at the position.
Yes...we can never give up on it as it is too important of a play when it creates quick easy scores. I agree that if we can get deep inside seam help to take away the safety over the top then that just might help as well as the deep crossing route. As long as the OLINE keeps improving and if Tanny is given the time in the pocket I think that he will start to hit some deep play action passes.We also do need to draft one of the big, fast, tall wideout in next years draft. I have not felt so good about our team in years and with another solid Hickey draft as well as UDFA's and we will be strong for several years as we are a young team.
the timing of the deep ball is off, so you have to try and complete it out of rhythm..I hope their working on routes for wallace when ryan breaks the pocket.
