I haven't been in total disagreement and maybe Sherman doesn't like his QBs moving around, but he certainly knows Tanne better than us and just maybe he knows that he was somewhat raw and knew he needed development in the pocket. With his 19 college starts and starting off as a WR and the vast difference between college and the NFL and being thrust into starting from day one, he may have realized that he really needed work on developing his fundamental and essential pocket passing, traditional skills. I don'y know. We don't know. However, we do know that he is showing very good development in all facets and whatever happened before has lead him to this point, which is what we are all psyched about. You yourself went on about how people were too impatient with Tanne and that a lot of great QBs needed time to develop and that he was coming along at a normal rate. Point is, we shouldn't be so angry at what Sherman did to him and be happy that he has developed, that he has learned from the past and shown vast improvements at the normal rate which you have so pointed out before.
They even had to shy away from designed runs, which would have no effect on pocket presence. Tannehill didn't know how to slide/protect himself.
That "with the same players we have today" kind of discredits your point. The approach you're keen to discredit is the one that got us to 8-6 no? Your what if is interesting, though imo RT has made slower more incremental improvements over his career. I expect he'll continue to do that.
In the grand scheme using last year to develop RT as a pocket passer was imo more important than making a 2008 style playoff berth. We aren't going to challenge for AFC supremacy vs the likes of Brady and Manning with a QB who struggles to make plays from the pocket but is really good with the read option and at scrambling for a couple extra first downs.
Yeah like Fin D said you don't not use his strengths so you can develop his weakness, especially when your competing for a playoff spot.
that would be all fine and dandy now in hindsight, but you're forgetting that just a few weeks ago people were calling for Matt Moore and were essentially proclaiming Tannehill a bust. What DJ is saying directly ties to that. Not to mention, just because Tannehill looks great now, it doesn't mean he couldn't be playing even better or that he couldn't have reached this level even sooner if Sherman were replaced by Lazor last year or the year prior. Learning how to feel and evade pressure isn't small potatoes. The NFL is all about pressuring opposing QBs, so much so that Tannehill was pressured on 34% of his drop backs last year, which isn't an insane percentage as it ranked 15th. So, a QB gets pressured on 1 in 3 drop backs but that's not enough reason to let him develop his instincts and ability under duress? That equated to 200+ reasons last year. When Andrew Luck was at this stage in his development at Stanford, did Harbaugh coach him to stand cement-footed on a spray painted X in the face of a potential sack or an imminent one? Tannehill learning how to use his feet during the many times when they need to be used doesn't preclude him from developing as a pocket passer or learning how to go through progressions. He should've been encouraged to develop that other 30% of his game all along, only do so via a pocket first mentality just like he's doing now..... but no, he's in his third NFL year and is finally getting to this critical part of the game. Please don't twist my words by the way. When fans were calling for Tannehill's head, I mentioned how his play at that point isn't uncommon, and I pointed out how it's common for organizations to give their young QBs the amount of time that some of us wanted Tannehill to be given. I never suggested that he was developing at some sort of astonishing rate that merits Sherman getting a pat on the back. I just said Tannehill was developing. He's a highly talented top-10 pick with brains, athleticism, good size, and an NFL arm, so with any work ethic and dedication, he should be developing in the NFL, even with a fired Offensive Coordinator like Sherman. It's a different scheme, different routes, different progressions, some different reads, a sudden improvement in mechanics, and an opportunity to finally use his feet, so you'll have to excuse me if I don't feel like loftily crediting Sherman for Tannehill's recent surge in development.
He did run the read option some last year, just not nearly enough but when he did he had his best games!!
....And took some unnecessary shots. Like the saints game when he sprinted for 40+ and decided to go down in flames.
In his first two years he passed the Los 2.5 times a game, I would think half of those were of the scramble and run for your life variety..so with about 40 carries I would say about 15 of those would be scrambles, so let's figure this out, just guessing here, he averaged about 1 read option per game and 1 scramble per game...lol...that's farkin ridiculous with this type of skill set and that porous of an oline in front of him.. We'll see how Ryan looks in this dept the rest of the season, I just feel like he may of been coached to turn off that instinct entirely and that's what led to an unprecedented athlete (switch from big time college receiver to pro Qb has never been done to my knowledge) looking like a slow clumsy snail when pressure was bearing down. Here's to hoping Sherman was that stubborn.
Learning process, practicing, I'm sure Sherman wasn't teaching him the sliding process..Ryan will eventually find that line, but he's usually pretty good as to knowing when to slide and when to go for that extra...
I agree. The only thing I think he needs to do better is securing the football when running. Even dating back to his rookie year when he's on the run, whether it is designed or when he's scrambling, he's fumbled the ball semi-frequently. Some of those have come near the sideline and it hasn't mattered, some have come in the middle of the field and Miami's been lucky to have someone fall on the ball, just as we saw last week against the Chargers.
Lazor said it himself..he was asked about if there was any correlation between Ryan running and plaaying better Qb..I'm paraphrasing here but his response was, I guess there is, it seems to get him to find his rhythm, opens things up for him.. His attitude was that of someone who didn't quite understand it but was starting to embrace it..I don't think its a coincidence that Ryan playing better is because he moving around more and running more read option. I think there's room for the average to go up one more to about 5 a game, and I would def like to see his boots and rolls go up to about 3 to 4 game. If anyone just looks at his reps against san Diego, he was absolutely brilliant on all his throw when he was outside the pocket running..
As long as that boy gets his butt on the ground or out of bounds at the first hint of a hit. I'd rather him give up the chance of a first than take a big hit.
Did you see the play where he fumbled? Lol Is he playing better Bc he is running or is it the other way around? I don't think there's any definitive way to answer that.
your not making sense to me, like what are you laughing at? ......what do you mean '' is it the other way around? be clear on your stance because during this whole thread I still don't know where you stand?
sure, but you just have to be careful not taking away his spirit to run nor the coordinators spirit to call the plays. im excited for the commitment to him being what he should of been all along..dual threat, and a very unique one at that, dare I say the new prototype?
Not trying to argue bro, I'm just pointing out some alternative view points. You're saying that he's playing better Bc he's being used properly, ok, there are other factors though. Better OL, more effective run game, he's also faced some pretty bad defenses over the past few weeks. I still don't see what's so controversial about keeping him in the pocket last year. 58 sacks, countless hits, it should be obvious why Sherm may have been hesitant to use him more as a runner. Is RT finding a rhythm Bc he is running more or running more Bc he's finding his rhythm. You're assuming it's the former but imo there's no way to know. He was fantastic both inside and outside the pocket vs San Diego, again, they suck on D so I'm hesitant to draw much of anything from that. Facing Detroit, Buffalo, Denver, NE down the road, that will be the real test. I wouldn't be opposed to running him or moving the pocket more but it's more of a risk vs reward, give & take scenario than you seem to acknowledge. The staff is doing a good job of using it as a change up and I'm sure they will adjust the dosage based on how the things go. There are elements of the read option game they haven't even shown yet, I hope they're rolling it slowly and pacing themselves. You just need to be patient and stop calling for the team put all their cards on the table prematurely
I want them to put the cards out on the table ( I.e move pocket more, more read option, more Qb awareness to run,to avoid losses, like today, and missing out on playoffs, again)
Have you thought about anything past move the pocket, like, move the pocket and then do what exactly?
the athletic qb refuses to run for a first down of his own free will and isn't executing the deep part of the passing game..we know these as facts, now we have a coordinator who isn't willing to move the pocket for the athletic qb...lol..fu## man.. I can't win.. thursday can't get here fast enough..need to get back on track doing what we know were good at, ryan needs to wake the fu## up, and threaten the defense with some improv runs..period.
If it were that simple they'd already be doing it. Trust me. Btw RT did run for a 1st, he shook off Suh, who was grabbing his face mask, got the 1st and the extra 15...
Tanny STILL needs to learn how to scramble from an collapsing pocket. He needs to see it happening quicker and get the heck out of there.
all you want is him to stay in the pocket and not run and not run the read option..throwing out random rare occurrences is funny..I know where you stand, you have been clear, I disagree, to get the best performance out if this player, he needs to be a dual threat presense. And both need to embrace it..and most importantly he needs to run when he sees an open lane, the fact that he doesn't do this is alarming.
Tell you what the qb and the coordinator,better not listen to you this week, like they did last week. Whatever it takes..
