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The Mike Pouncey Right Guard Experiment

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ckparrothead, Nov 11, 2014.

The Mike Pouncey Right Guard Experiment

  1. I like it, he should be our RG going forward

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  2. It's OK for now until we let Satele walk in the offseason

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  3. Kill it. Kill it with fire.

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    What are your guys' thoughts on this?
     
  2. DenverDolfan

    DenverDolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Don't like.
     
  3. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I said kill it.. But thats because I respect some others opinion on his play and they haven't been high at all on it.

    I just wonder if they move him back to center.. Then what?
     
  4. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd prefer to kill it, but that leaves us with an issue at RG. So... for this year, even though its not ideal, I think we're better to let him stay at RG. Especially now with Albert down, depth is an issue for us.
     
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  5. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the *** beating he took against Suh should be regarded as a pretty big strike against re-signing him. I want to see a better showing against elite talent from someone who is going to want big money. Especially when the player in question is an absolute dumbass and in danger of being suspended for any number of reasons.
     
  6. evz

    evz Feral Druid Club Member

    I haven't been thrilled with it, but i don't know who we have that's any better. But DPate makes an excellent point; he's not looking anywhere near worth the money he's going to demand...

    I'd like to kill it with fire, but not sure what to do in its place...
     
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  7. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    He's gone from a pro bowl center to a garbage guard.

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  8. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    I don't feel like I can cast a vote because I'm honestly not sure what the hell else we can do with our OL right now.
     
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  9. Boik14

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    Best line right now is going to be:
    LT James
    LG Colledge
    C Pouncey
    RG Smith/Turner
    RT Garner.

    It's not ideal but were going to have to make that work. Right side will need TE help pass blocking but should be fine run blocking.

    As for the question: I was never in favor of it. Kill it. Scrap it. Forget it ever existed. And pouncey needs to pull head from butt and play like the all pro he can play like.
     
  10. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    So if we moved him back to center, what would we be looking at?

    James, Smith, Pouncey, Garner, Thomas? Ugh.

    FFS...another year of O line suckage...looked at least slightly promising earlier in the year...yet its the #1 problem again. RT may have to take out some additional insurance on his career at this rate.
     
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  11. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Except Colledge is out, and Turner, for some reason, isn't seeing the field.
     
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  12. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Had not seen that regarding Colledge. Thanks.

    I'd probably have to go James-Smith-Pouncey-Garner-James while Turner and Satele will have to be backups. Hopefully Turner steals one Guard spot. That's looking ugly at Guard
     
  13. RoninFin4

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    I've wanted this killed since he returned and played as a G. He's better and appears was far more comfortable at C than he is as a RG.
     
  14. jw3102

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    His play so far leads me to believe that he returned from his injury too soon. He probably should have been placed on the IR for this season and come back at full health in 2015. He has played below average since his return to the playing field.

    Unfortunately the OL remains the biggest area of concern on this team and it only got worse with the season ending injury to Albert.

    Many people on this forum aren't going to like it, but the Dolphins look like they are going to have to use another first round draft pick in the 2015 draft to select another offensive lineman.
     
  15. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    Time for him to move back to Center
     
  16. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    I hear what you are saying but moving Pouncey back to C would mean Satele sits on the bench and we are already shorthanded in the OL.At least Satele and Pouncey are experienced vets.
     
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  17. vt_dolfan

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    Philbin is so stubborn..I have zero faith in him making a change for Pouncey back to center. In his opinion Pouncey is playing very well at RG.
     
  18. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I think Pouncey is playing RG out of necessity. We've seen several experiments at RG, all of which were major failures. Until we address the RG situation in the offseason, I think he needs to stay.
     
  19. vizi0n

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    Anyone know why they refuse to let Billy Turner see any snaps?

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  20. LBsFinest

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    i was gonna touch on this, there's no guarantee he's brought back next year, at guard or center, especially with a new coaching staff, he's 7.4 mil against the cap with zero dead money, we could just trade him and replace him with a stouter, cheaper guy.
     
  21. 77FinFan

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    Good question. I want to see if he can play.
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He has been hurt.
     
  23. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    It's a moot discussion. We have no choice. Our line is already hurting, and we can't afford to remove Satele at this point. Satele/Pouncey is better than Pouncey/Turner(?).

    We already have Dallas Thomas at RT. Keeping Satele on the field and putting Pouncey next to Thomas is better than putting a rookie next to him. That right side of the line would be a dumpster fire...
     
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  24. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    CK... you never mentioned your thoughts. Was that intentional?
     
  25. Boik14

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    Well the left side of the line is on the verge of becoming a dumpster fire anyway. There's three positions that should be pretty much for certain right now...LT James C Pouncey and RT Dallas Thomas. The guards you can argue all you want. We've taken one of the games best C's and made him a below average guard. We've taken an average center in his place and he's still average. We can have an all pro center and and still get average/below average guard play from an actual guard. Or Shelley Smith, Billy Turner etc could save our season
     
  26. FinNasty

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    I strongly disagree that there wouldn't be much of a drop off from Pouncey to whoever would replace him.
     
  27. padre31

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    Yep, not the suspension, really do not care about it.

    More people have an odd view of Pouncey's time in Miami, Suh was kicking his *** heads up, AFAIK that did not happen to Satele even once.

    Could be the OL blocking scheme is easily decoded and Suh was getting a jump, he was man handling Pouncey who looks a bit small to be a RG
     
  28. Disgustipate

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    I'm not sure of a reason why Pouncey would be worse at Guard that isn't also an indictment of his talent and ability.
     
  29. RoninFin4

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    Twice.
     
  30. TooGoodForDez

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    It's OK for now, with the depleted line, until we let him walk for $greener$ pastures this offseason.
     
  31. Da 'Fins

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    Didn't look good against Detroit but I think we need the smarts of he and Satele on the line. Given all the injuries, the inexperience, the fact that we are weak at both guard spots - I said keep him at OG because I don't think there are better options.

    What I strongly dislike about Pouncey at this point is I think he plays on his talent alone and does not work to get in shape. He doesn't have to look like Arnold - but good grief, his entire upper body looks like a blob. Get some muscle and power up there.

    I don't think - unless he gets bigger and stronger - he will be effective as a guard long term because he doesn't have power.

    However, I don't see an alternative that is better. Certainly not Thomas or Smith. Billy Turner has talent but we are also weak at LG at this point and LT is a huge question-mark.
     
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  32. Piston Honda

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    I like the way Pouncey is playing, especially coming off of a major surgery. He was beaten by Suh a few times, for anyone who watches football with their eyes open that's nothing to be ashamed of.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    I haven't isolated him enough at guard to have an accurate opinion, he never really blows me away even at center, he's a solid player..agree with Da'fin about his body, hes always Been light in the ***, and his upper body is inexcusably sloppy.
     
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  34. Sceeto

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    Pouncey had trouble with Suh earlier on, but Pouncey got his s--- together and he, one on one, put Suh on his arse.
     
  35. Piston Honda

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    It's all good, I don't think anyone else has really zeroed in on 51 either. Based on most of the comments so far I can pretty much guarantee it. He's certainly not chiseled like a Cam Wake but what OL is chiseled? Pounce moves well, he's stout, knows multiple positions, doesn't blow assignments, he's a blue chip prospect who's played to his draft position, a top 10 player at his position imo, what else you want?
     
  36. Piston Honda

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    Thank you. I have a lot of respect for anyone who can watch games w/o focusing only on the ball.
     
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  37. padre31

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    I'm not the largest fan of PFF, as in they just got around to noticing "that Vernon guy, he's pretty good", however when it dovetails with what I actually watched, it means even those lazy eyes are seeing how crappy he played.

    Basically Pouncey had a horrible day, it does not mean every game will be a horrible game, the Bills game is an excellent test of where he is at their DT's are no less daunting.
     
  38. Piston Honda

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    He got whipped on the first sack, the 2nd was a well executed stunt by Suh and Ansah IIRC, other than that I thought he played pretty well. You're right, another stiff test this week, he says he is ready lets see if he's right.
     
  39. MrClean

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    It could be that Pouncey lost a lot of lower body strength not being able to workout while his hip was healing from the surgery. If he isn't physically at full strength yet, he won't look his best at RG or C.
     
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  40. padre31

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    Did one overlook the 4 hurries portion?

    Agree with Mr C, Pouncey is NOT "right' atm, still think he is overrated prior to the injury.

    For example do tell me the drop off in play between Pouncey and Satele?

    Not seeing it, Clay being dinged is hurting the offense, and Hartline not being targeted is hurting the offense, otherwise Satele v Pouncey is pretty much a wash at this point.

    It may be Pouncey is playing himself into game shape, plain fact is, we need him to play better no matter the reason for poor play atm. THAT is the reality of the league.
     

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