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Thinking it's time to bench Brian Hartline

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Paul 13, Nov 9, 2014.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Also, I do NOT think that Wallace is a terrible wide receiver. I'm actually very happy with what he's doing this year, I'm just upset that he's such a bad fit on deep balls. Go watch highlights of Wallace, the problems, not extending arms, body catching not hands catching, have always been there. Difference was, for one year, Wallace managed to grab everything, or Ben was able to thread not needle a ton to him. Wallace just does not give a QB a good target on deep balls.
     
  2. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Firstly, we have no way of knowing what Lazor is thinking, or who he is blaming. Secondly, he wasn't here when Wallace was brought in. Thirdly, his job is to score points and win games, regardless if it's the QB doing it or an RB/TE/WR.

    There are several examples of RT putting a deep pass in a perfect or near-perfect position, just to have it dropped or given up on by the receiver. Don't you think Lazor has seen them too? He knows that they haven't been successful with it, because if you take that shot and it fails, and you basically just gave away a down for a low-probability / high-reward risk decision. There's no way Lazor puts all of that on RT...no way.

    Lastly, Wallace isn't a great deep receiver. Deep threat, maybe, fast, yes, deep receiver - no. If you can't hit him in a perfect bucket of about a foot and a half square, hang it up. A big part of succeeding in catching a deep pass is running a good route, getting separation from the coverage, and getting into the right spot to make a play on the ball, and making that play. He doesn't do all of those. The pass can't be adjusted once launched, but the receiver can...and he isn't good at it. He doesn't have the body control needed, as shown on several plays (highlighted in the pass he went out of bounds with in the end-zone against New England...which he blamed himself for). That throw was ridiculous, not many QBs can make that 50 yard+ throw on the run with a 300+ pound defender on their heels.

    He and others have dropped sure-huge-gains that were nearly perfect (Hartline and Sims really stand out). Is there something there that causes RT's great throws to be less catchable than other QBs' great throws? Outside of the receivers, I doubt it.

    Sorry, but I've watched tons of other receivers in college and the NFL adjust and make a play on a deep pass...many of them don't downshift 2 gears to locate the ball either.

    So what about the 7 or so deep passes that were on the spot but dropped/not-fought-for but were VERY catchable? That's on RT? His guys haven't helped him at all on the deep game.

    If those balls were caught, this conversation wouldn't exist. I understand the initial reaction is to blame the QB because he's always the one throwing the ball, but if you really look at several of the plays he gets blamed on, he did his job and threw a very catchable ball. On-record are respectable analysts who see it the same as well.

    He's not perfect and is still growing, but he's not far behind in that area IMHO. I CONSTANTLY see other teams' receivers adjust and make a play on a ball...EVERY weekend. They're just not wearing Dolphins uniforms.
     
  3. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Dupers theory was that he could out run the ball... he believed in running through the ball... He thought diving for the ball was unnecessary. I am sure at one point or another he dove for balls in games it just was not his practice. The criticism of Wallace not diving for balls is just another moronic point of view by people that choose to knit pick ever aspect of his game.

    not saying the guy doesn't have his short comings but jesus... enough..
     
  4. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Dolphins aren't throwing significantly less deep passes.
     
  5. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    I love these ESPN watcher comments...

    Pittsburgh offered Wallace a very nice contract in which HE declined, but hey...claiming they "let him walk" sounds better for your argument so carry on.
     
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  6. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    So I've put together some #s using Pro Football Focus as the source and then putting them into and designing my own spreadsheet. I took the top 37 receivers based on Total Snap Count (run and pass). Why 37? That's the total receivers above the 75th percentile. Incidentally, Hartline is on the list but Wallace isn't. So we don't need to talk about him :wink2: I then added a column called PSNPS... which is Total Passing Play Snaps. Plus the following:

    TA = Total Targets
    SNP/TA = Snaps per target
    PSNPS/TA = Passing snaps per target
    Rec = Receptions
    SNP/Rec = Snaps per reception
    PSNPS/Rec = Passing Snaps per reception
    The rest of the column headings should be self explanatory

    I've also added a row down the bottom called Average. That's the average of the 37 receivers on the list.

    [TABLE="width: 845"]
    [TR]
    [TD]#[/TD]
    [TD]Name[/TD]
    [TD]Team[/TD]
    [TD]Snaps[/TD]
    [TD]PSNPS[/TD]
    [TD]TA[/TD]
    [TD]SNP/TA[/TD]
    [TD]PSNPS/TA[/TD]
    [TD]Rec.[/TD]
    [TD]SNP/Rec[/TD]
    [TD]PSNPS/Rec[/TD]
    [TD]Yds[/TD]
    [TD]Yds / Rec.[/TD]
    [TD]YAC[/TD]
    [TD]YAC / Rec.[/TD]
    [TD]TD[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD] Antonio Brown[/TD]
    [TD]PIT[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]681[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]423[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.25[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.88[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]79[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.62[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.35[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1070[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]395[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD] Golden Tate[/TD]
    [TD]DET[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]534[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]377[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]89[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.00[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.24[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]66[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.09[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.71[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]909[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]456[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.9[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD] Demaryius Thomas[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]587[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]361[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]99[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.93[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.65[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]65[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.03[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.55[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1002[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15.4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]459[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD] Emmanuel Sanders[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]606[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]380[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]83[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.30[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.58[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]62[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.77[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.13[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]857[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]194[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD] Julio Jones[/TD]
    [TD]ATL[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]535[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]368[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]92[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.82[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.00[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]61[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.77[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.03[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]853[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]310[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD] Jordy Nelson[/TD]
    [TD]GB[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]518[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]332[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]82[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.32[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.05[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.25[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.93[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]889[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15.9[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]363[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
    [TD] Dez Bryant[/TD]
    [TD]DAL[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]579[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]328[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]92[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.29[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.57[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.34[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.86[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]793[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]271[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD] T.Y. Hilton[/TD]
    [TD]IND[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]535[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]378[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]79[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.77[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.78[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.55[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.75[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]938[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]236[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
    [TD] Julian Edelman[/TD]
    [TD]NE[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]568[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]362[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]75[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.57[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.83[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]54[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.52[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.70[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]555[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]217[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [TD] Anquan Boldin[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]558[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]351[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]72[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.75[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.88[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]51[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.94[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.88[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]635[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]224[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [TD] Steve L. Smith[/TD]
    [TD]BLT[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]519[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]338[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]81[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.41[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.17[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.59[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.90[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]731[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.9[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]289[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.9[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [TD] Jeremy Maclin[/TD]
    [TD]PHI[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]590[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]380[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]87[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.78[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.37[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.29[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.92[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]828[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]17.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]287[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
    [TD] Allen Robinson[/TD]
    [TD]JAX[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]523[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]354[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]76[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.88[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.66[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.90[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.38[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]548[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]154[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
    [TD] Andre Johnson[/TD]
    [TD]HST[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]551[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]302[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]77[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.16[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.92[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.48[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.29[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]563[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]245[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
    [TD] Keenan Allen[/TD]
    [TD]SD[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]564[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]334[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]72[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.83[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.64[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]47[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.00[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.11[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]474[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]164[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
    [TD] Alshon Jeffery[/TD]
    [TD]CHI[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]545[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]366[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]69[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.90[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.30[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.39[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.32[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]626[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]273[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
    [TD] Larry Fitzgerald[/TD]
    [TD]ARZ[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]579[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]355[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]61[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.49[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.82[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.16[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.07[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]625[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]283[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
    [TD] Kelvin Benjamin[/TD]
    [TD]CAR[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]585[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]377[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]82[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.13[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.60[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]43[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.60[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.77[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]659[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]92[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
    [TD] Rueben Randle[/TD]
    [TD]NYG[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]589[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]367[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]75[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.85[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.89[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]43[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.70[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.53[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]409[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]85[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]20[/TD]
    [TD] Brandon Marshall[/TD]
    [TD]CHI[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]563[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]373[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]74[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.61[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.04[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]42[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.40[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.88[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]496[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]181[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
    [TD] Sammy Watkins[/TD]
    [TD]BUF[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]586[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]365[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]74[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.92[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.93[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]42[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.95[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.69[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]617[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]222[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]22[/TD]
    [TD] DeAndre Hopkins[/TD]
    [TD]HST[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]567[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]311[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]61[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.30[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.10[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]42[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.50[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.40[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]684[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]209[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]23[/TD]
    [TD] Pierre Garcon[/TD]
    [TD]WAS[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]536[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]338[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]60[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.93[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.63[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]42[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.76[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.05[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]458[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.9[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]217[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]24[/TD]
    [TD] Reggie Wayne[/TD]
    [TD]IND[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]524[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]353[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]67[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.82[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.27[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]42[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.48[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.40[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]504[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]142[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]25[/TD]
    [TD] Mohamed Sanu[/TD]
    [TD]CIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]566[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]332[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]72[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.86[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.61[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]41[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.80[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.10[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]648[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]280[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]26[/TD]
    [TD] Vincent Jackson[/TD]
    [TD]TB[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]560[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]374[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]88[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.36[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.25[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]40[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.00[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.35[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]518[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]108[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]27[/TD]
    [TD] Doug Baldwin[/TD]
    [TD]SEA[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]518[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]297[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]51[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.16[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.82[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]38[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.63[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.82[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]440[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]196[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]28[/TD]
    [TD] Greg Jennings[/TD]
    [TD]MIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]546[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]361[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.75[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.45[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15.60[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.31[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]459[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]115[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]29[/TD]
    [TD] Markus Wheaton[/TD]
    [TD]PIT[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]515[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]332[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.20[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.93[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.71[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.49[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]436[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]71[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]30[/TD]
    [TD] Robert Woods[/TD]
    [TD]BUF[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]515[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]342[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]54[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.54[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.33[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]33[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15.61[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.36[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]344[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]156[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.7[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]31[/TD]
    [TD] Riley Cooper[/TD]
    [TD]PHI[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]582[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]360[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]53[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.98[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.79[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]32[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]18.19[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.25[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]337[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]103[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]32[/TD]
    [TD] Marques Colston[/TD]
    [TD]NO[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]514[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]345[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.49[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.04[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]30[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]17.13[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.50[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]480[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]190[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]33[/TD]
    [TD] Torrey Smith[/TD]
    [TD]BLT[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]527[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]338[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]53[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9.94[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.38[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]27[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]19.52[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.52[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]446[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]70[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2.6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]34[/TD]
    [TD] Terrance Williams[/TD]
    [TD]DAL[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]541[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]316[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]46[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.76[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.87[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]27[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]20.04[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.70[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]426[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]63[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [TD] Brian Hartline[/TD]
    [TD]MIA[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]528[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]316[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]43[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.28[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.35[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]26[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]20.31[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12.15[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]269[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]76[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2.9[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [TD] Michael Floyd[/TD]
    [TD]ARZ[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]549[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]354[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11.20[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.22[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]24[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]22.88[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.75[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]403[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16.8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]52[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2.2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: right"]37[/TD]
    [TD] Jermaine Kearse[/TD]
    [TD]SEA[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]520[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]286[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.05[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7.73[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]20[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]26.00[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14.30[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]307[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15.4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]138[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6.9[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]AVERAGE[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]554.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]349.35[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]70[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.34[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5.23[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44.3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.58[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8.52[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]601[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13.57[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]205[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4.48[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]


    How does Hartline stack up? The following are his ranks for the above columns:

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    [TD]Snaps[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]27[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]PSNPS[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]33[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]TA[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]SNP/TA[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]PSNPS/TA[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Rec.[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]SNP/Rec[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]PSNPS/Rec[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]34[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Yds[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Yds / Rec.[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]YAC[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]33[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]YAC / Rec.[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]30[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]TD[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    So what can we draw from this data?
    Well, based on snaps and passing snaps, Brian Hartline is below average in every metric vs receivers who are lining up as often as he is. So even though he's on the field as often as they are, he is not being targeted as much as the other guys. It is important to keep in mind that targets are not necessarily how often the offense is calling his name. Targets are how often Tannehill has thrown the ball to him. So, he's either not getting open as much as he should be or Tannehill is just looking the other way or the offense is calling another players #. Or perhaps a combination of all three.

    This doesn't settle the debate that he is or isn't running the routes that compliment his ability. It just speaks to his level of production vs his peers. And I think the point remains. He's not getting the job done and should be benched / reps taken from him so that other receivers may get more of an opportunity, namely Rishard Matthews.
     
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  7. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Look, I'm not talking about crazy diving catches. I'll see if I can link some vids.
     
  8. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not suggesting the Steelers did not give Wallace an offer. You're doing a bad job coming up with arguments for what I'm actually saying, you don't need to make other things up.
     
  9. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well I for one have not noticed very many deep passes completed this year!! I don't care who the receiver is. We JUST struggle to hit the deep ball and it HAS to change....PERIOD.
     
  10. PhinsMondayNitro

    PhinsMondayNitro Active Member

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    Brian Hartline 2012 against the Cardinals:


    12 Receptions
    253 Yards
    AVG 21.1
    LG 80 Yards


    He's a capable receiver maybe he's not being utilized correctly
     
  11. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Cool, his agent can use that excuse when negotiating his new contract with another team this offseason
     
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  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I can't wait for PhinsMiami to bust out the spreadsheets...
     
  13. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That game was proven to be an aberration. Did you watch it? The 80 yard play happened because the Cards totally busted the coverage and forgot about Hartline. There wasn't a defender within 10 yards when he caught the pass. It was a stroke of luck he did not fall down right after making the catch.
    Since he has never came close before or since, I think we can attribute that game to the adage of even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.
     
  14. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Didn't he get run down before scoring the TD on this play as well?
     
  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If he'd had 5 yards more to go to score, he wouldn't have made it.
     
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  16. PhinsMondayNitro

    PhinsMondayNitro Active Member

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    I'm rewatching it right now (NFL Game Rewind)
     
  17. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    Don't bother explaining, why? because this troll "watches every game, reads every article, replays games multiple times & attends games when he can".:001_rolleyes:
     
  18. PhinsMondayNitro

    PhinsMondayNitro Active Member

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    1st deep ball was 57 yards, Hartine ran a stop & go & burned William Gay but was caught from behind. Tannehill threw a perfect pass down the field. Led Hartline perfectly in stride.
     
  19. PhinsMondayNitro

    PhinsMondayNitro Active Member

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    A troll is a supernatural being in Norse mythology and Scandinavian folklore. God Bless you, channel that anger with something constructive
    [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [/TABLE]
     
  20. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    He's not really all that capable.

    1) There were multiple busted coverages in that game. Hartline did literally nothing impressive.

    2) A ridiculous amount of his yards that season came in two games. Arizona abd Oakland who had like their 20th string corner matched on him. His season was actually pretty terrible for a top option.
     
  21. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Brian Hartline had more deep yardage in 2012 than Mike Wallace is likely to have in his career as a Dolphin.
     
  22. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    But Ryan Tannehill has a deep ball problem and can't hit WR's in stride! /s
     
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  23. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    I thought you watched every game, read every article, replayed games multiple times & attended games when you can? How can you copy/paste statistics and post ignorant comments?

    By the way... http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/troll. Looks like I'm right, oops.
     
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  24. PhinsMondayNitro

    PhinsMondayNitro Active Member

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    I forgive you my friend, control that anger somehow. Enjoy the game tomorrow.
     
  25. PhinsMondayNitro

    PhinsMondayNitro Active Member

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    I agree
     
  26. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    11-17-2013: the sun shined on my dog's butt.
     
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  27. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We lost the game.
     
  28. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A troll is a vagabond, beggar, creepy follower lol.
     
  29. ElNino

    ElNino Well-Known Member

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    I still remember the pain of losing that one. That was the last time my wife sat and cheered for the dolphins with me. After that, she was just like "these guys suck, i can't take this" and that was it. Ugh
     
  30. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    If you SERIOUSLY can not decipher why that is, then you're not just a Wallace troll you're something much worse.
     
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  31. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Hartline was our best receiver this game. Everyone in this topic will miss him when he's gone.

    PS. YAC!
     
  32. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Good for him. Let's hope he doesn't dissappear the rest of the season.
     
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  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Hartline is to WRs what Jay Fiedler was to QBs.

    Tough, respectable, capable of 1-2 great performances a season, but with significant limitations that ultimately hurt the team.
     
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  34. ElNino

    ElNino Well-Known Member

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    That was nice to see. He was leaning a little too after the initial catches, but managed to stay upright. That last one i though he might take it to the house. Deion Sanders in the post game - "I love Hartline". He kinda threw it into another conversation though so no one responded.
     
  35. DolPhinPhan7

    DolPhinPhan7 Well-Known Member

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    They essentially benched Gibson, but he's getting open now. This team is deep at the WR position. Now that Landry is demanding attention Hartline will see more balls thrown his way. His YAC play during the first drive was great.
     
  36. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Hartline didn't suck *** for just about the first time this year. Now if he wants to live up to his contract he needs to do that every week.
     
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  37. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Personally I would not miss him. He is a very limited athlete and if there is one position I don't want a terribly limited athlete its WR.
     
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  38. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Seriously, I think I saw more athleticism on Greg Camarillo than I do Hartline.
     
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  39. DolPhinPhan7

    DolPhinPhan7 Well-Known Member

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    Out of all the weaknesses of this team, please leave the WR corp out of it.

    I can point to Hartline's injury during Week 17 during the Jets last season as the point the season ended. Wallace, Matthews and Marlon Moore (IIRC) couldn't do anything.

    These 5 guys are fine.
     
  40. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Again, you seem to believe that if you are blustery enough about how good your argument is or how bad someone else's is you can distract from the idea you don't really have one.

    Wallace's production in 2010 and to a lesser extent 2011 was a product of a quarterback with extraordinary placement on deep balls and an offense that went to great lengths to get him free. Without both of those components, he's pedestrian. He's on pace for virtually the same production as he got with the Steelers in 2012, without Bruce Arians selling out to get him open.

    Why Brian Hartline was a better deep threat than Wallace in the last three offenses he has played for is certainly a matter of question. Why he produced more big plays than Wallace side-by-side in 2013 is a pretty big question.
     

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