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Gotta be honest here, Pretty upset

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ET7, Nov 14, 2014.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Accept reality. Tannehill's deep ball is only bad to Wallace. That is fact. Proven numerous times.
     
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  2. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Accept reality. Rodgers is a once in a decade HOF Qb, there are 2 or 3 guys at his level in the NFL at any given time. Comparing Tannehill to Rodgers is just silly. You could draft 3 Qbs every year for 20 years and never find a Rodgers. Tannehill can still be a Qb that wins us a Superbowl and not be Rodgers.
     
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  3. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sure, but it's on topic and you ain't exactly bringing stirring counter-points to the argument here, so uhh...what?
     
  4. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Some mother****ers never learn, they are always trying to skate uphill. The only thing keeping this team from being top tier is their red zone production. That has as much to do with play calling as it does with execution.

    My suggestion for you is to toast yourself a nice Cherry Pop Tart and take a bite. Once you burn the roof of your mouth, you'll appreciate Tannehill a little more.
     
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  5. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I think they are missing the red zone threat... They need that big target down there to change this offense... all in all I think we are light years ahead of last year.
     
  6. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    I wouldn't have made this topic but he does have a point. We are going to need him to hit the deep ball eventually.
     
  7. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I dont really understand people...
    I was teetering on Tannehill early in the season but the guy has really turned his season around. He is starting to do things that I had not seen him do (look off defenses, move in the pocket, change arm slot). Does he still make bone head plays? yes Does he still have some problems with the deep ball? most certainly... but jeez... Tannehill is playing pretty good for us right now, why not enjoy it? Why knit pick it.

    Same can be said for the simplistic people that think Wallace is the problem on deep passes or that he doesnt effect defenses in ways that are not seen on the stat sheet... for that matter, the Wallace is a one trick pony crowd... Does Wallace have issues? yeah, he does but no one is going to convince me this offense would be as effective as it is without him.
     
  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Seriously look at this photo people, and tell me why this isn't going to be a completion:

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  9. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    can we just worry about that when we cross that bridge?

    can we just not enjoy that fact the Dolphin have a winning record and are in the playoff hunt?
     
  10. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Accept reality and pay attention to what was said but way to skirt the point and not address it all. well you cant so at least look smart in your rebuttal
     
  11. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    That wasn't a good throw IMO. He should have led him further upfield. He led him out of bounds.

    That said, I think Ryan Tannehills deep accuracy is just about average, and it really isn't a big deal. Deep passes are an extremely overrated aspect of NFL offenses. In fact, I think the Dolphins offensive improvement has been a result of their reduction of deep passes, particularly to Wallace.

    The challenge will be when defenses essentially dare Miami to go deep to Wallace.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
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  12. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Yes, exactly this,but.............how much is he going to be paid in the future?????? Is he really worth a big fat payday??
     
  13. speed

    speed Banned

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    I can name 10 WRS who can make that catch. And one of them is on this team. He wears #14
     
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  14. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I would like to know how many 30+, 40+ yard passes (in the air) he has completed to anyone this season
     
  15. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    hard to get any context from that picture
     
  16. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    As FFS72 said when you throw 2 deep balls a game with the avg being about 33% completion rate, your looking at completing .6 passes with 2 attempts a game. How many 30 to 40 + does Rodgers attempt? How many of Rodgers deep ball are deep crossing routes that go teh distance?

    Also again Bills have the best dline against our walmart bargain oline and you dont think timing off? Those guys on the oline fought like hell and battled all night but they were outmatched, the pass to Gibson was an overthrow but RT was at a full run after pressure, not a high % throw.

    The last miss to Wallace prior to last fg was a bad miss and on RT, the thing I saw was RT was angry and upset to me thats the fire I have been waiting to see.

    Tannehill is improving, he is getting better every week, the oline has not been solidified, we have lost rbs, RT himself is beat up.

    This whole team showed me more than I have seen in a LONG time - HEART
     
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  17. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Marino was great at throwing deep passes and scoring quickly. All that did was tire out our defense. I don't mind doing high percentage throws/offense in a box. Hell, Brady has played in a short-mid range throwing offense most of his career. He only threw deep often when he had Moss balling out. If reducing deep throws and focusing on short, quick passes helps Tanny elevate his game, I'm all for it.
     
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  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm SO sick and tired of seeing the same old, beat up, bull****, lame @ss argument that Tannehill throws a terrible deep ball. His deep ball numbers to everyone NOT named Wallace last year (I say last year cause we can look at the whole year, and everyone complained about his deep ball last year) were actually pretty good. I posted the stats yesterday from Pro Football Focus, comparing Tannehill to Luck last year, and his percentages were right in line with Luck, even better in a couple areas. On deep bombs, PFF had them both listed at a 7% completion rate. So, if you think that Andrew Luck is destined for greatness, you can't sit here and talk about Tannehill being terrible, and needing to find a new QB. It's like a bunch of people will never be happy. I mean, let's look at Tannehill's numbers this year:

    Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
    2014 Miami Dolphins 10 353 231 65.4 35.3 2,354 6.7 235.4 17 4.8 7 2.0 50 22 1 25 164 92.2

    So, Tannehill has thrown for 2300 yards, 17 tds, 7 picks, and has a 92.2 rating on the year...and yet people are complaining about our third year quarterback??? Give me a break. You guys will never be happy.
     
  19. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    its pretty annoying..the overall faith in this team...its just a disaster
     
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  20. DolPhinPhan7

    DolPhinPhan7 Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps they need to stop with the deep balls on the sideline.
     
  21. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well thats a good question. If Tannehill continues to improve and we make the playoffs I could see him getting a similar deal to Cutler which is a lot of money. It might be too much but you can't just start over at the Qb position when you already have a really good Qb. Sure it would be nice if Tannehill turned into Marino, Rodgers or Manning but he's more than likely going to be a top 10 Qb and he is going to command a lot of money. Will he be overpaid? Probably. But do we think we can just draft a guy as good as him and keeping winning? Probably not. Most of these big Qb deals are essentially 3 year deals with the teams being able to get out of them and thats what I'd expect Tannehill to get.
     
  22. Fin D

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    Really? It looks like to me that not only is that ball extremely catachable, but I can't imagine from the angle of his head that Wallace is looking at the ball.
     
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  23. ET7

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    and recently brady completed multiple deep balls to Lafell or to his TE Gronk so whats your point? Is Lafell faster or better then wallace? No. But when Brady drops a deep ball its usually in the bread basket, not as good as Big Bens but still, RT17 can hit at least 1 in his life time.

    When is the last time you saw RT17 drop a ball in the arm deep while the WR is still blasting through? I can name 1 Moore did just off the top of my head that counts more then RT17 has his life, the one to Williams in preseason, that was a thing of beauty. Now you might say thats preseason, okay fine, Moore to hartline vs buffalo after RT17 got benchedbecase we were getting blown out. JUST saying, give me 1 time he threw a 40+ yard bomb beautifully. Keep in mind, this dude continues this past and we won't win and we have an expensive QB holding us back ala Alex Smith, he gets this down and we have a franchise QB we are STUCK in the middle and that isn't a good place to be technically when a contract is coming up.
     
  24. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    This makes my head hurt. People will argue about anything.
     
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  25. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Because he's out of bounds.
     
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  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    what other deep ball examples are you using when declaring its fact that he's good with everyone else?
     
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  27. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    Lmao...yeah, ok.
     
  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    making this assessment based on that still photo is beneath you..
     
  29. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    This
     
  30. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The numbers have been posted numerous times.

    The stats have been posted numerous times. LMAO all you want, but you're flat out wrong and your obstinance on this by doubling down on how wrong you are makes come across like a fool.
     
  31. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Wait....a photo isn't evidence now?

    Forget the ball is OOB. It is catchable and Wallace is not looking the ball into his hands.
     
  32. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    Uh oh....you areally going to incur the wrath of the Tannehill lovers. We won the game, so RT is great.
     
  33. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    If we have any different opinion about RT than some of you lovers, we are fools. Ok, whatever.
     
  34. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    He made that post at 8:27 est this morning and not one single poster has given him grief about it. Why am I not surprised you are literally fabricating an issue out of thin air?

    Its also not a shocker you don't see the difference between his single post and your obnoxious and ignorant on going campaign of hate.
     
  35. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    No stop crying.

    You are coming across as a fool because you've made it your mission to denigrate Tannehill. I honestly can't remember any post of yours that wasn't blasting Tannehill.
     
  36. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    not in this case, you can't even see the angle of the ball coming down and where wallace is in relation to the sideline.

    when the ball is thrown over the wrong shoulder and you have to twist your torso to make they catch sometimes the head doesn't quite catch up, you just have to make it on instinct.
     
  37. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I disagree. I think you can plainly see that ball is right there regardless of angle. I also don't think its impossible for him to look at the ball. His problems tracking the ball in the air have also been well documented starting last year, by CK.
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    Probably because he's trying to stay in bounds and make the catch. This really isn't a good example to use.
     
  39. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hartline was #8 in deep yardage in 2012, accuracy to non-Wallace targets are much better.

    Also Wallace was a mediocre deep threat outside of Bruce Arians offense in Pit.
     
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  40. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Even if this wasn't likely to be a complete pass it illustrates Wallace issues.
     
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