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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Nov 13, 2014.

  1. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Lol I don't think anyone would agree with this statement.
     
  2. Fin D

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    ??

    So I'm the only one that knows Philbin was the OC for GB when they won a SB?

    Annnnnnd you wonder why we think you're a troll.
     
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  3. HogsHDFinsfan

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    Game Mgmt is the majority of the HC job.asking if that is the only knock on him, is like asking Ms Lincoln, "other than that, how was the play?"
     
  4. Fin D

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    His game management has not been bad. That's absurd. He's had a couple of mistakes, but everyone does.
     
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  5. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Did he call plays for Green Bay?

    What makes you think he can jump into play calls and be better then Lazor, who is fantastic.
     
  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The question wasn't if he can or should call plays better than Lazor. The question was if he would be a better OC than Lazor.
     
  7. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    The problem is that OC is an extremely ambiguous title. The responsibilities vary from team to team.

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  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Then maybe the question should have been phrased differently...but I wasn't the one that asked it.
     
  9. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Can he step into Lazor's role and do better? Forget the title. OCs that don't call plays are few and far between. If he every were to be fired and hired on as an OC somewhere else, he was most likely have to call plays.

    Would he be able to step into Lazor's role and do it better?
     
  10. Fin D

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    Why not?

    The only reason he didn't call plays is because his HC McCarthy wanted to do it. There is literally no evidence anywhere that Philbin can't call plays. Let's not forget, McCarthy wasn't all that successful as a OC before GB either. As far as I know, McCarthy is still calling plays in GB. That is the HC's prerogative and not an indictment of Philbin.
     
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  11. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    I am not saying he couldn't. You're right, there is no evidence to show. But you are also acting as if its a no brainer he would better then Lazor. My personal opinion is, I doubt it. Lazor is really good. Philbin could be great. But we don't know either way.
     
  12. Fin D

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    Well, its not like its up in the air and completely nebulous. As I said, Philbin was the OC of a SB winning team, doesn't that rank as a significant resume bullet? He devised the gameplans that McCarthy called plays in.

    And personally, I think Philbin would be better in Parcells' old role than anything else.
     
  13. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's an interesting thought. Something to ponder.
     
  14. Fin D

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    I made it earlier this year in Club and got flamed.

    But I think his vision, consistency and attention to detail have been EXACTLY what this organization needed. Had he gotten his way that scandal never would have happened and we'd be talking about how disciplined this team has been since he's been here.
     
  15. finfansince72

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    I agree, that was a really bad decision. Maybe that was Lazor getting cute. Honestly there was just no reasoning to go for that play, it was almost a complete disaster. If we lost that game because of that decision I would be leading the charge to fire Philbin, it was that bad of a decision.
     
  16. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What role? Padding his retirement account and racing horses full time and leaving the organization in the hands of Larry, Curly and Moe?
     
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  17. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

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    I haven't been a big Philbin fan at all, but yeah, he deserves some credit. The team is playing well and there is no reason to assume that isn't part fo the reason. If nothing else, it seems he has assembled a pretty good staff and has generally let them do their thing. There's been a lot of game management stuff that has driven me crazy, but has been true of just about every Dolphins coach ever, including Shula. If nothing else, we do know that he is not lost or in over his head. Not that that is necessarily saying much, but it is something. I do think there are a lot of people who would/could do the job better, but that's because I think we have a pretty talented team. A lot of other people here don't, so if you see this team as having below average talent but playing at a pretty high level, you presumably have to give some credit to the coaching staff and, therefore, Philbin.
     
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  18. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    And that's hitting the nail on the head right there. If Philbin went run,run,run, punt, and Buffalo came back to score he`d be blasted for being too damn conservative. He decided to give Lazor the green light and be aggressive and he gets second guessed for that too. People gonna b***h, its what they do.
     
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  19. Nappy Roots

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    Not me. Wasn't happy about the running portion against the Lions. Loved it against the Bills. Win the game. Plain and simple. This is a passing league now. Its hard to stop a team from driving down the field.

    Great job yesterday.
     
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  20. Hobiesailor

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    I think he's pretty much doing that now anyways. "Here's my vision... Go Forth and Execute! I'll keep my hands out of it until I see something I don't like then I'll correct it and keep on my way." Whole militaries fight wars this way. This is the model of organization and leadership that most militaries and companies use. What we potentially have is our own HC gem in the making and we want to dump him because he's not a flashy in your face micromanager that other coaches are. I'm almost convinced now that all the rattling for Jim Harbaugh has more to do with wanting to be headlines on ESPN and less about having a functioning front office. We finally have some potential stability and ability to build the program through the draft and build a culture, those things take more than 3 seasons, especially with how atrocious the team has been with those things for the past 15 years.
     
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  21. Deerless Dice

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    I'm not sold 100% on Philbin, but Miami's offense is playing the best it has in years. Even with all of the red zone miscues, Miami has scored 24.9 ppg this season. That's good enough for 11th in the NFL. The last time Miami scored that many ppg was in 1995. Part of me wants to keep Philbin to see where this ends up. The offense could be very special with a few more pieces like a dynamic running back and a red zone receiving threat (wr or te), and I don't want to rock the boat and see it all be pissed away by a new head coach who wants to install his schemes.
     
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  22. RickyNeverInhaled

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    We lead the league in 3rd quarter points on offense. That's all on Philbin with half time adjustments.
     
  23. Fineas

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    That's pure speculation, but pretty doubtful. The team is playing pretty well and Philbin gets some credit for that, but to assume that the HC (and not the OC or any other assistants) is wholly responsible for the halftime adjustments, or that the difference in play is even due to any such adjustments, is silly.
     
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  24. RickyNeverInhaled

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    I could say to assume the OC and DC is wholly responsible and not the HC is silly as well.
     
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  25. ElNino

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    I respect your consistency on this. You are probably a little higher on Philbin than me, but i like the guy and think he is a capable head coach. It was easy to see the difference going from Sparano to Philbin, with the huge jump in aggressiveness. From the players comments, it seems he has created an environment they enjoy overall, and they are winning, so I'll continue to root hard for him.
     
  26. djphinfan

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    no team has scored more points in the 2nd half then the miami dolphins....99% thats a true statement.
     
  27. djphinfan

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    thats an interesting comment about philbin in that role..

    you know where I stand, I've been non committal either way allowing him to have a fair enough time for his values and teachings set in and take affect, I wasn't sold early in the process, you gave me hope with some of your thoughts, they made sense, like saying his way might be a way that we need, idk, its quite the roller coaster for him..ive been unhappy with a few coaching things like conservatism and the handling of dion Jordan, but he brought in some good coaches this offseason and he's now 6 and four and in the hunt, his evaluation for me is open, not closed, I don't pretend to know that his way is not a way that a team cannot buy into..I feel confident that I know when I see a great coach and can feel their presence and leadership, just because I don't get that sense like I do some others, doesn't mean it can't happen, there is a general like quality to him, i know he has a good sense of humor, and I think he's a good evaluator of talent.
     
  28. mbsinmisc

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    Absolutely a great post. Harbaugh is the kind of coach who can be successful, but burns out his players with his over intense style. I truly believe his future lies in college. Philbin makes mistakes, (they all do), but you cannot deny his integrity or intelligence. I will take that every day over ESPN headlines.
     
  29. CrunchTime

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    Don Shula with his prevent defense lost a lot of games because that defense hardly prevented anything.He did that for years but he could get away with it because he had the winning track record.Philbin still does not have that track record thus the lack of credibility.
     
  30. jcliving

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    Clueless? Really? I will not defend any other comment about Philbin, but clueless is ludicrous.
     
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  31. jcliving

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    After three years,

    - he has a good staff assembled
    - he seems to have a good relationship with Hickey
    - he has stuck with his QB
    - he holds people accountable
    - he is fairly consistent on conduct and the way he wants his team to behave.
    - his players play hard for him.

    I am not sure what else you want from a third year head coach.
     
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  32. MikeHoncho

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    He's finally .500
     
  33. Disgustipate

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    I'm not sure you can say this is true. He's had difficulty hiring staff and is basically drawing from a very exhaustible well(guys Mike Sherman recommends)

    Hickey is not in a position to engage in a power struggle.

    He unnecessarily threatened to bench him at the first real sign of adversity and has had no reason to revisit the decision.



    He holds players accountable, the coaching staff(and himself) is a totally different deal. Mike Sherman was a bad OC and he was willing to go down with him, when firing him was the 100% correct decision.

    We've heard repeatedly that the players like him as a person but aren't really motivated in any fashion having to do with him.

    Some evidence he is performing competently in the narrow range of roles he has carved out for himself.
     
  34. jcliving

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    do you like the staff? Yes or no. If yes, then we are done with this topic. Head coach gets credit and blame for the staff. Does not matter how you get there. The coaches have to want to accept the job. This is not a forced labor camp.

    Tannehill has played well since threatened. Not sure that Joe planned it this way, but there is no way you can prove it was not a mind game.

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    Watch last nights game. Every player put out max effort for 60 minutes. Who cares what the press reports.
     
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  35. CitizenSnips

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    Imo, our boys have left it all on the field in every game this year. The Detroit and green bay games killed us but they never gave up in those games
     
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  36. AceVentura84

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    I like coach Philbin, always have. He has started to rebuild a pile of **** team from the ground up. Now we seemingly have a GM with a brain in place..i feel happy about the front office.

    Philbin is quiet, to the camera yes, but I am certain when he speaks, they listen and learn from him. You can sense the respect the players have for him, and the deep intense team spirit that he has developed is clearly evident, best demonstrated by players like Landry

    I am not just saying this because of the win last night i would have said this last Sunday too. Yes we are not yet the best team in the league and I do not see us winning the whole thing this season but for the first time in years we seemingly have a plan, and the right people there to execute the plan for continued season on season improvement.
     
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    I think some really like the idea of hating someone, it gives them a focus for their discontent. As head coach he has no real role for offense or defense, he actually doesn't do anything but media days. As offensive CO (GB) he really just did background work and others did the real stuff. He has a good relationship with his GM, but really it's just that the GM isn't pushing his weight around. He is liked by his players, but really they don't respect him and would like someone else.

    You should listen to yourselves.
     
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  38. Fin D

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    That is not true.

    And? They are still working well together. Philbin isn't really in a position to engage in a power struggle either.

    That is 100% false. He did no such thing.

    Also not true. If he was willing to go down with Sherman why is he still here and Sherman not. Again, stubborn loyalty is a very common trait of coaches in the NFL. To act like its unique or even an indictment of Philbin is entirely unfair.

    And?

    The evidence has been given to you, but for some reason you keep finding ways to not accept them. Take this post for example.
     
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  39. roy_miami

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    Take this for what its worth, and I'm not going to go into details, but according to my head coach rating algorithm the top 5 coaches are (in no order):
    Bill Belichick
    Jim Harbaugh
    Bruce Ariens
    Joe Philbin
    Sean Peyton

    And this is going to come off as pretentious but I am a bit of an expert on game theory and Joe Philbin very rarely makes obvious mistakes, and he certainly did not cost us the Green Bay game. But by all means, keep whining about Philbin's use of defensive timeouts pretending like you know anything about proper game management, if thats what makes you sleep better at night.

    What we have is a major lemming effect happening here...
     
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  40. unluckyluciano

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    like assuming the dolphins and GB win/won despite Philbin. Which seems to be the narrative some are creating here. (not you).
     

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