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Gotta be honest here, Pretty upset

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ET7, Nov 14, 2014.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ryan imo isn't putting the ball on the receiver, because he's not seeing it from the pocket, he's not locked in on the receiver, he's got to start driving the ball more, just throw and don't worry about loft right now, Right now he has anxiety and he's trying to throw it like a pretty deep ball..

    He still has yet to throw one pure deep ball..not one..
     
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  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I do not understand those pcts. RT is listed as completing 41% of short passes, and 42% of medium? That cannot be right. So are the rest of the percentages also that inaccurate?
     
  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I've done more digging on those stats, and I think they aren't what I thought they were. I think those are stats detailing how often they threw those yardages, not how often they complete them. My apologies.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Hahahahahahahahahaha. Dammit!
     
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  5. PhinsMondayNitro

    PhinsMondayNitro Active Member

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    I'm upset that the Saints are choking against the Bongels
     
  6. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    Roflmao. Uhhhh, no, I really don't. I was just observing the absurdity of how someone with a different opinion is treated by you and a few others. I could not care less what you say.
     
  7. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    Exactly.
     
  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Hogs, it has nothing to do with someone expressing a different opinion. It's all about how the opinion is expressed, and how often certain opinions have been answered...
     
  9. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Typical.

    Hot air, backed by more hot air.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    don't let the door kick your ***.
     
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  11. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    DJ... he's running down the right sideline. There's only one shoulder the ball could be thrown over...
     
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  12. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    The deep pass to Sims was as pure as it gets...
     
  13. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    but you do agree that there is not a consensus on the future of Ryan Tannehill as the quarterback? So because it continues to be debated, and you disagree with some of the opinions, why should that stop people from expressing those opinions? as to how the opinion is expressed, what do you do about that? Do they need to check with you before expressing an opinion, to make sure that it is expressed properly?
     
  14. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    as opposed to the deep and meaningful discussion posted in this post! Rofl!
     
  15. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    what? What does this even mean? doors kick asses now?
     
  16. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    No, the deep and meaningful, "Tannehill sucks" drivel you've posted over and over and over.

    Every "point" (I use the term loosely) you've made has been countered and you're responses are to type "lol" or "lmao" which I assume is an attempt to mask the crying you're doing at being challenged.

    Case in point, you keep saying you don't care what i or others say, but you've devoted numerous posts whining about what I others are saying.
     
  17. ElNino

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    Jax? Thought that qualified. Either way, still have yet to see him hit someone in stride deep, where the WR can take it to the house. So many close calls there. Would be great to see one (or three) in Denver, cold weather and all.
     
  18. resnor

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    Uh, I don't agree, necessarily, as I feel that you, and others who I guess I would categorize as "Anti-Tannehill", seem to have this idea that Tannehill is a bad QB. I agree so far as I think there is no consensus that Tannehill will be an elite QB, however, I do believe that Tannehill can be top 10. The problem I have is when posters continuously post things, that have been answered over and over, and yet refuse to stop posting them. For instance, "Tannehill throws a terrible deep ball." The statistics do not support this argument, no matter what your eye test tells you, and CK posted a great article on this last season, which the Anti-Tannehill crowd seemingly refuses to read. Also, the Anti-Tannehill crowd refuses to place any blame for the deep ball on Wallace, even though it's crystal clear at this point that he can't catch with his hands, runs terrible routes, and can't adjust well to the ball when it's in the air. Most of the Tannhill supporters (read DOLPHINS PLAYERS supporters)are well aware that Tannehill has problems. The difference is, we also understand that EVERY QB in the league has problems/deficiencies. Tannehill is playing well this season, and I don't understand the complete disdain that many posters here have for him. Tannehill was an extremely raw prospect coming out of college. Everyone knew that. Here we are in his third season, and people are still complaining that he isn't Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, and they say "Forty games is enough." No, it isn't. There are plenty of examples of four year college starters not hitting their stride in the NFL until 3 or 4 years into their NFL careers. And these are guys who were playing quarterback from high school through college. Throw in a completely new offense this year, and I gotta tell you, I'm extremely happy with our QB.
     
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  19. Linus

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    I believe last year that was the case, but this year he has overthrown Wallace several times. I think he is driving it a little more.

    Last year's deep ball in OT against Cincinnati was a pure deep ball that would've gone for a 80+ yard TD, but the CB (smartly) tripped up Wallace because he had him beat. In the Patriots game this year, he threw a literally perfect deep ball that hit Sims in both hands in stride, 45 or so yards. Just a plain drop.

    If he catches that one, Wallace doesn't step out to catch a ball that is in bounds (Pats game too), Hartline doesn't drop the 50 yard pass at Buffalo the next week....is the narrative different this year?
     
  20. daphins

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    There's this guy that took a few years to catch on...actually got cut by the Chargers before becoming one of the best QB's in the league....what was his name again? Drue Bees?
     
  21. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Disagree completely. I see tannehill wanting to throw the deep ball. on at least 5 or 6 plays, its his first read. What I see though is he looks and then decides against it and then goes through the rest of his progressions. What that tells me is he wants to launch it but the receiver is covered. We don't have a receiver who we can throw a jump ball too
     
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  22. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    AWESOME Post Res.
     
  23. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

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    Brees never got cut by the Chargers and his name isn't Drue, but point made nonetheless.
     
  24. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You know what he means...lol
     
  25. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

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    Deep balls typically have to be thrown before the WR is really "open." You have to have confidence that the WR will beat the DB to the ball. It doesn't have to be a "jump ball" or confidence that the WR will win a jump ball -- the WR has a huge advantage over the DB in terms of finding the ball and maneuvering to it. When Tannehill sees Wallace and a DB running next to each other 2 seconds after the snap with no deep safety help, just put it up and put some air under it and let Wallace beat the guy there. One of 4 things is going to happen -- deep completion, defensive pass interference, an incompletion or an interception. Two of those 4 are great, one (incompletion) is not great but not a big deal, and one is bad (but not really that bad because it is often happening on 3rd down and isn't much worse/different than a punt, and even on 1st or 2nd down usually results in the defense getting the ball 40-50 yards downfield).
     
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  26. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

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    That's why I said "point made nonetheless."
     
  27. HogsHDFinsfan

    HogsHDFinsfan New Member

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    It's not about whether or not RT sucks. You guys seem to resent thereally even being a debate about him. I don'tT care what you or anyone else says about me (why would I, the one here knows me, are you, or almost anyone else on the forum) but I do think it's interesting when people say "don't express that thought, because it's been said before." Why even have a fan forum it's not to discuss things where we disagree? but when an opinion is expressed that you don't agree with, & a few others as well, you quickly go personal. That's fine I don't care. But let's not say it doesn't happen!
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Hogs, you're being purposefully ignorant here. If I say that the sky is green, and people present facts over and over why the sky is not green, do you think that they would get sick of answering my statement every day? The anti-Tannehill people trot out the same arguments, day in, and day out, and no matter how often the argument is answered, it just gets trotted out again. Tannehill throws a bad deep ball. Been answered. Tannehill is solely to blame for Wallace's struggles. Been answered. Tannehill is the reason that the Dolphins lost against Green Bay (or ANY team). Been answered. And yet, today, tomorrow, or the next day, or next week, I'm going to see a poster on here say "Tannehill is no good cause he throws a bad deep ball." Derp derp. It gets old, it gets tiring. Combine the repeated questions with posters who seem genuinely only interested in trolling, and you get people, like myself, who are sick and tired of the crap.
     
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  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i see him do that as well, but you don't know and I don't know all the reasons he isn't pulling the trigger..

    I'm talking about when he does..when he does, he's just not relaxed and he's trying to manipulate the ball flight instead of just driving the football to the target.
     
  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    not so, ball can absolutely be thrown over the wrong shoulder regardless of which sideline your running down on.
     
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    thought we were taking about pure deep ball.?
     
  32. Fin D

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    Jesus man, no one told you to not express a thought. Get off the cross.

    The point of the forum is NOT to swoop in and drop BS, then when challenged cry like a baby about being challenged. That's all you've done.

    The point of the forum is to have a discussion, with points and counterpoints. This forum takes it a step further by requiring more than, "herp derp Tanny SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!" over and over and effing over.

    We get it, you're an emotional fool who thinks Tannehill is the worst QB of all time. You think that because, you're angry and emotional. You don't have to keep telling us that same thing. You are the one that doesn't want open discourse. You want us to treat your idiotic stance like its a special snowflake that must treated with respect even though you can't back it up.

    So, post your uninformed drivel about Tanny all you want, but put on your big boy pants and stop filling your diaper over the fact you will be challenged on that ridiculousness.
     
  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yeah i put a little twist on the old phrase..felt right..

    listen dude, if you want to start over, do so ,but don't come to the board starting sh$# with people, hang out, get to know some folks, {the people your arguing are good smart people,}and just be cool, if you want confrontation and can't be patient til you get to know some folks then don't let the door hit you on the *** on the way out..was that better.
     
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  34. RoninFin4

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    Probably because there's no consistency in Mike Wallace's route running. He hardly ever runs the same route the same way.
     
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  35. Fin D

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    And not just that, but Wallace has a real issue tracking the ball in the air. You can't talk about right or left shoulder if the receiver is bad at finding the ball en route, let alone not running the right routes.
     
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  36. djphinfan

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    I've literally watched and saw ryan change the way he was gonna throw a deep ball, at the last fraction of the second..just freakin throw the ball, he has all the arm talent, just throw it..stop babying and be pure with your follow thru.
     
  37. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    he didn't have a problem as a younger receiver, I don't hink he's regressing..qb needs to adapt and get better vision of the route, if he can't, then move his platform and give him clear vision outside the pocket..

    take one of those 4 rollouts I would like to happen a game and use it on a pure deep throw.

    i also think he should have more attempts in general.
     
  38. WhiteIbanez

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    I was told last night by a relative who happens to be a Bengals fan that Tannehill is a bad QB.
    He said if we had Andy Dalton we would be a SB team. I laughed right in his face.
     
  39. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Pretty sure Wallace has always been a less than spectacular route runner. People just overlooked it because he still got open deep. Rapistberger was adept at getting Wallace the ball, but that doesn't mean that Wallace was running good routes. I'd like to throw in again, I'm HAPPY with Wallace's play this year, just not happy that it's costing us so much for a receiver that we have to use in the way that he's being used. I am however happy that Wallace is seeming to fight for the ball, and fight for extra yards.
     
  40. Fin D

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    He wasn't in a timing based offense when he was younger.
     
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